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Tigerm

Coach
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This isnt even a Western Suburbs v Balmain thing , its now a Western Suburbs v Weststigers thing.
These grubs want total control to try change the direction of the club in the future.
I don't believe anything will happen, unless West Ashfield want it to happen.
They own the club, the NRL won't interfere, with a board squabble.
But I am pissed off that this shit is happening again, just as we seem to be getting our act together.
 

Nutz

First Grade
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I don't believe anything will happen, unless West Ashfield want it to happen.
They own the club, the NRL won't interfere, with a board squabble.
But I am pissed off that this shit is happening again, just as we seem to be getting our act together.
Have you signed the partition Tm?
 

Nutz

First Grade
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This isnt even a Western Suburbs v Balmain thing , its now a Western Suburbs v Weststigers thing.
These grubs want total control to try change the direction of the club in the future.
The HBG has an Umbrella Group of subsidiary companies/clubs of which the Maggies are forefront and the Wests Tigers Football Club are under the umbrella too.
Remember when I said some time ago that the old Balmain Leagues Club was going to have a multi million dollar development done to it....well one of the offices in that development is going to be West Ashfield and nothing to do with Balmain.
It's this development that made me think the HBG doesn't give two hoots about the Tigers.
I've got nothing against the HBG apart from the slow drift away from the Tigers name. After all, they kept the club going when Balmain went broke but still there are all the supporters who have embraced the Tigers as their name to follow, not the Magpies.
Think about that HBG.
 

Das Hassler

Bench
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While I still have no doubt at all that "outside" shitstirers are throwing fuel on this fire, if it was a few players or coaching staff doing this much damage to the club and harm to the supporter base they would be out of the place with a one-way ticket. There's only one way to read the multi year bans...and I don't think it has that much to do with punishment.
 

Tigerm

Coach
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Have you signed the partition Tm?
No and for the reason I stated, the WA board would only listen to a WA full members petition, because there positions would be on the line.
They finance the club and (as you mentioned) will finance Rozelle as well, imo they are entitled to do what they see fit.
I think the footy club has finally gone in the right direction, so they are not against the WT’s succeeding.
 

Nutz

First Grade
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No and for the reason I stated, the WA board would only listen to a WA full members petition, because there positions would be on the line.
They finance the club and (as you mentioned) will finance Rozelle as well, imo they are entitled to do what they see fit.
I think the footy club has finally gone in the right direction, so they are not against the WT’s succeeding.
That's a weak assumption to say the least.
The last petition worked.
People who sit on their arse usually get stuck to the seat.
 

Tigerm

Coach
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That's a weak assumption to say the least.
The last petition worked.
People who sit on their arse usually get stuck to the seat.
I don’t think you know how boards work, to make your comment.
But anyway you asked a question and I answered it.
We’re all entitled to our opinion.
 
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Nutz

First Grade
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I don’t think you know how boards work, to make your comment.
But anyway you asked a question and I answered it.
We’re all entitled to our opinion.
You said Wests board, I'm referring to HBG. They acted on the previous fallout from the partition and media pressure.
It did work because the board was ousted. Whilst it's results weren't perfect, it did get a new heads of sheds. By the way I have worked on a board before, different code but the principles are the same.
All that needs to happen is for the HBG to realise it's a mistake to rid the Tigers from the Wests Tigers name. They need to publicly come out and say there are no plans to ever do this.
 

Tigerm

Coach
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You said Wests board, I'm referring to HBG. They acted on the previous fallout from the partition and media pressure.
It did work because the board was ousted. Whilst it's results weren't perfect, it did get a new heads of sheds. By the way I have worked on a board before, different code but the principles are the same.
All that needs to happen is for the HBG to realise it's a mistake to rid the Tigers from the Wests Tigers name. They need to publicly come out and say there are no plans to ever do this.
HBG is run by WA, don’t ever believe it is not.
The last petition, got rid of Lee H, which proved to be a good thing, we are still waiting on 2 independent members I believe.
WA board are member elected, WT board as I understand it, is 1 chair (appointed by WA), 2 WA, 1 Balmain, 1 Western Suburbs and 2 independents, not yet appointed. Not sure how they get on board?
I understand that WA are financing the Rozelle club revival, do you think they are doing that to remove the Tigers from the West tigers club?
Anyway the footy club is in great shape, nothing will change that.
 
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Nutz

First Grade
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HBG is run by WA, don’t ever believe it is not.
The last petition, got rid of Lee H, which proved to be a good thing, we are still waiting on 2 independent members I believe.
WA board are member elected, WT board as I understand it, is 1 chair (appointed by WA), 2 WA, 1 Balmain, 1 Western Suburbs and 2 independents, not yet appointed. Not sure how they get on board?
I understand that WA are financing the Rozelle club revival, do you think they are doing that to remove the Tigers from the West tigers club?
Anyway the footy club is in great shape, nothing will change that.

HBG runs the show. Under their umbrella are Wests Ashfield, Wests Tigers and the redeveloped Balmain Leagues Club. It's their governance that's been challenged.
I agree that originally HBG was brought in to help the struggling Magpies.
They took over the majority of Balmain's rights when they were unable to pay off the debtors. However it is the fact that Wests underbelly are agitating a name change that BHG must for the sake of the joint venture cull.
The partition is to put pressure on HBG to do this.
Before Christmas, around the 10th Dec I think, HBG actually put out a statement stating there was no suggestion that they are wanting to change the name of the footy club, they now need to do it again as an interim.
 

Das Hassler

Bench
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members petition, because there positions would be on the line.

I think that's precisely why they must be forced to listen to the WT supporters....the supporters have 25 years of financial and emotional investment in Wests Tigers.... The Wests Tigers are just being fattened up to become the Magpies within 6- 8 years then fail and disappear for good. "The Tigers" are an established brand name across every top tier team sport in the world. Even the slimy Eels tried to buy Balmain just for the Tigers brand. HBG may be the owners but it's the supporters who have held this club up through thick and thin and it's the strength of the supporter base across the country ( which WAS mainly the Balmain Tigers) why the NRL forced the merger instead of just wiping both clubs off the map for good as a few other clubs wanted ...the supporters have to be heard one way or another ( and this petition is definitely one way) whether the board likes it or not! And just to add...j don't believe that HBG do have a right to do what they please...through their WT board they've continually asked the supporters to keep the faith...keep paying up and "STAY ON THE BUS!!) ...HBG has entered into a moral...ethical and quite probably legal contract with the investors of it's Wests Tigers business ....namely the tens of thousands of supporters who have bought in for 25 years!
 

Black Panther

Juniors
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I think that's precisely why they must be forced to listen to the WT supporters....the supporters have 25 years of financial and emotional investment in Wests Tigers.... The Wests Tigers are just being fattened up to become the Magpies within 6- 8 years then fail and disappear for good. "The Tigers" are an established brand name across every top tier team sport in the world. Even the slimy Eels tried to buy Balmain just for the Tigers brand. HBG may be the owners but it's the supporters who have held this club up through thick and thin and it's the strength of the supporter base across the country ( which WAS mainly the Balmain Tigers) why the NRL forced the merger instead of just wiping both clubs off the map for good as a few other clubs wanted ...the supporters have to be heard one way or another ( and this petition is definitely one way) whether the board likes it or not! And just to add...j don't believe that HBG do have a right to do what they please...through their WT board they've continually asked the supporters to keep the faith...keep paying up and "STAY ON THE BUS!!) ...HBG has entered into a moral...ethical and quite probably legal contract with the investors of it's Wests Tigers business ....namely the tens of thousands of supporters who have bought in for 25 years!
If only Ivan had stayed on the bus..
 

Ron's_Mate

Bench
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Investigator quizzes banned directors of Wests Tigers owners
By Michael Chammas and Michael McGowan
January 2, 2025 — 6.05pm

Liquor and Gaming NSW has opened an investigation into the running of the Holman Barnes Group, conducting interviews with the three directors who have been banned for a combined 15 years.

As reported by this masthead last month, the Independent Liqour and Gaming Authority was recently made aware of the disharmony on the HBG board, the majority shareholder of the Wests Tigers and the owners of the rich and powerful Wests Ashfield club.

That disharmony on Wednesday led to the banning of three HBG directors – Tony Andreacchio, Rick Wayde and David Gilbert – for alleged misdemeanours dating back up to five years.

Before the disciplinary actions of the HBG, ILGA forwarded concerns to L&GNSW, the agency responsible for overseeing the legislation that governs registered clubs in NSW. The regulator has since opened its own investigation to determine the severity of the situation and whether ILGA needs to concern itself with the running of the HBG.

The regulator did not respond to detailed questions about the nature of its probe, but in a statement a spokesman confirmed it was “aware of allegations recently raised concerning the Holman Barnes Group”.

“As those allegations are currently under assessment, no further comment can be made at this stage,” the L&GNSW spokesman said.

Sources with knowledge of the situation talking under the condition of anonymity due to confidentiality told this masthead L&GNSW had conducted interviews with banished trio Andreacchio (six-year ban), Wayde (eight-year ban) and Gilbert (six-month ban).

The interviews began before Christmas and concluded in the days before the trio being banned for a combined 15 years.

This masthead has obtained a copy of the letter that was sent to ILGA by a concerned and unnamed HBG member, urging the ILGA to appoint an administrator to look into the workings of the HBG and raising concerns over the debenture system that provides just 18 club members with key voting rights over five of the seven directors.

Section 41A of the Registered Clubs Act 1976 states: “Where the governing body of a registered club has, in the opinion of the Authority, ceased to be effective as a governing body, the Authority may appoint a person to administer the affairs of the club.”

The news of Wayde, Andreacchio and Gilbert’s exile prompted Inner West Council mayor Darcy Byrne to call on the NSW government to intervene in the boardroom stoush at the HBG.

“That’s what the fans want, and that is what’s needed for Wests Tigers to survive and thrive,” Byrne said.

“We’ve finally got things moving in the right direction on the football field. Tigers fans can’t afford for backroom brawling to undermine our team’s long-awaited recovery in 2025.”

Board members at the HBG have been at loggerheads since an external review of Wests Tigers operations was conducted in late 2023 after the side’s second successive last-placed finish.

Andreacchio, Wayde and Gilbert were chief instigators of the review, which was conducted by businessman Gary Barnier and former NRL chief financial officer Tony Crawford.

Their banishment throws into doubt whether the recommendations of the Barnier-Crawford report will be implemented in their entirety.

On Wednesday, Wayde and Andreacchio both expressed dismay at their predicament.

“The tragedy is the club is in great shape through the work of the CEO and the executive team,” Wayde said.

“In the short term, [Wests Tigers CEO] Shane Richardson and [Wests Tigers chairman] Barry O’Farrell are doing remarkably despite the interruptions. If the gang of four get away with this movement, they’ll be intruding even more. That’s the major concern for the Tigers.

“I fear that already they will be interfering with the appointment of the independent directors.”

Andreacchio said: “This is clearly a star chamber decision. How can 18 people in a 30,000 membership have this much power? Rick Wayde and I are the only two elected by the membership and we’ve been discarded by the star chamber.”

While a number of allegations against Wayde were unsubstantiated, the disciplinary committee found that:

He engaged in unreasonable conduct towards a fellow director at a board meeting, including personal attacks against the person resulting in requests by other attendees for him to “back off”;
He engaged in intimidatory, threatening and/or otherwise unreasonable conduct towards other board members, both alone and acting in concert with Andreacchio and Gilbert, in an attempt to coerce the board members into supporting Andreacchio to continue as chair;
He made comments to a fellow director to suggest he was personally responsible for Andreacchio’s defeat in the board election. Wayde is alleged to have said: “You’ve got to be joking. You don’t know how bad your name is at Wests Tigers” after learning of a fellow HBG director’s appointment onto the Wests Tigers board.

Allegations against Andreacchio, who has also been asked to undertake an anger management course, include:

That he yelled at a fellow HBG director, calling him a “f---ing suck” approximately 10 times in front of other board members in an aggressive manner. Andreacchio repeated the comments later on despite being told words to the effect, “You can’t do this”, “Enough’s enough, we’re one team. Calm down”;
That he allegedly became red in the face and made abusive comments to a fellow director in a threatening tone;
That while waiting for a taxi after a function for the West Tigers launch of the 2024 NRL season he approached a fellow director and stood close to him and made a comment to the effect: “You f----- softie”;
That at an HBG board meeting last September he engaged in aggressive behaviour towards a fellow director, calling him a “parrot” in a raised voice.

The allegation against Gilbert was in relation to comments and actions made to a fellow director concerning his allegiances on the board.

The banned trio fell out of favour after current HBG chair Julie Romero led a coup in March which overthrew Andreacchio at the helm of the HBG board. Documents recently obtained by this masthead show that Romero had previously expressed “grave concerns” about the review.

The documents and emails also showed that Romero threatened legal action against Tigers chairman O’Farrell should he hold a Tigers board meeting without her blessing.

 

Nutz

First Grade
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Investigator quizzes banned directors of Wests Tigers owners
By Michael Chammas and Michael McGowan
January 2, 2025 — 6.05pm

Liquor and Gaming NSW has opened an investigation into the running of the Holman Barnes Group, conducting interviews with the three directors who have been banned for a combined 15 years.

As reported by this masthead last month, the Independent Liqour and Gaming Authority was recently made aware of the disharmony on the HBG board, the majority shareholder of the Wests Tigers and the owners of the rich and powerful Wests Ashfield club.

That disharmony on Wednesday led to the banning of three HBG directors – Tony Andreacchio, Rick Wayde and David Gilbert – for alleged misdemeanours dating back up to five years.

Before the disciplinary actions of the HBG, ILGA forwarded concerns to L&GNSW, the agency responsible for overseeing the legislation that governs registered clubs in NSW. The regulator has since opened its own investigation to determine the severity of the situation and whether ILGA needs to concern itself with the running of the HBG.

The regulator did not respond to detailed questions about the nature of its probe, but in a statement a spokesman confirmed it was “aware of allegations recently raised concerning the Holman Barnes Group”.

“As those allegations are currently under assessment, no further comment can be made at this stage,” the L&GNSW spokesman said.

Sources with knowledge of the situation talking under the condition of anonymity due to confidentiality told this masthead L&GNSW had conducted interviews with banished trio Andreacchio (six-year ban), Wayde (eight-year ban) and Gilbert (six-month ban).

The interviews began before Christmas and concluded in the days before the trio being banned for a combined 15 years.

This masthead has obtained a copy of the letter that was sent to ILGA by a concerned and unnamed HBG member, urging the ILGA to appoint an administrator to look into the workings of the HBG and raising concerns over the debenture system that provides just 18 club members with key voting rights over five of the seven directors.

Section 41A of the Registered Clubs Act 1976 states: “Where the governing body of a registered club has, in the opinion of the Authority, ceased to be effective as a governing body, the Authority may appoint a person to administer the affairs of the club.”

The news of Wayde, Andreacchio and Gilbert’s exile prompted Inner West Council mayor Darcy Byrne to call on the NSW government to intervene in the boardroom stoush at the HBG.

“That’s what the fans want, and that is what’s needed for Wests Tigers to survive and thrive,” Byrne said.

“We’ve finally got things moving in the right direction on the football field. Tigers fans can’t afford for backroom brawling to undermine our team’s long-awaited recovery in 2025.”

Board members at the HBG have been at loggerheads since an external review of Wests Tigers operations was conducted in late 2023 after the side’s second successive last-placed finish.

Andreacchio, Wayde and Gilbert were chief instigators of the review, which was conducted by businessman Gary Barnier and former NRL chief financial officer Tony Crawford.

Their banishment throws into doubt whether the recommendations of the Barnier-Crawford report will be implemented in their entirety.

On Wednesday, Wayde and Andreacchio both expressed dismay at their predicament.

“The tragedy is the club is in great shape through the work of the CEO and the executive team,” Wayde said.

“In the short term, [Wests Tigers CEO] Shane Richardson and [Wests Tigers chairman] Barry O’Farrell are doing remarkably despite the interruptions. If the gang of four get away with this movement, they’ll be intruding even more. That’s the major concern for the Tigers.

“I fear that already they will be interfering with the appointment of the independent directors.”

Andreacchio said: “This is clearly a star chamber decision. How can 18 people in a 30,000 membership have this much power? Rick Wayde and I are the only two elected by the membership and we’ve been discarded by the star chamber.”

While a number of allegations against Wayde were unsubstantiated, the disciplinary committee found that:

He engaged in unreasonable conduct towards a fellow director at a board meeting, including personal attacks against the person resulting in requests by other attendees for him to “back off”;
He engaged in intimidatory, threatening and/or otherwise unreasonable conduct towards other board members, both alone and acting in concert with Andreacchio and Gilbert, in an attempt to coerce the board members into supporting Andreacchio to continue as chair;
He made comments to a fellow director to suggest he was personally responsible for Andreacchio’s defeat in the board election. Wayde is alleged to have said: “You’ve got to be joking. You don’t know how bad your name is at Wests Tigers” after learning of a fellow HBG director’s appointment onto the Wests Tigers board.

Allegations against Andreacchio, who has also been asked to undertake an anger management course, include:

That he yelled at a fellow HBG director, calling him a “f---ing suck” approximately 10 times in front of other board members in an aggressive manner. Andreacchio repeated the comments later on despite being told words to the effect, “You can’t do this”, “Enough’s enough, we’re one team. Calm down”;
That he allegedly became red in the face and made abusive comments to a fellow director in a threatening tone;
That while waiting for a taxi after a function for the West Tigers launch of the 2024 NRL season he approached a fellow director and stood close to him and made a comment to the effect: “You f----- softie”;
That at an HBG board meeting last September he engaged in aggressive behaviour towards a fellow director, calling him a “parrot” in a raised voice.

The allegation against Gilbert was in relation to comments and actions made to a fellow director concerning his allegiances on the board.

The banned trio fell out of favour after current HBG chair Julie Romero led a coup in March which overthrew Andreacchio at the helm of the HBG board. Documents recently obtained by this masthead show that Romero had previously expressed “grave concerns” about the review.

The documents and emails also showed that Romero threatened legal action against Tigers chairman O’Farrell should he hold a Tigers board meeting without her blessing.


Unbelievable. I need time to digest this.
Thanks for posting mate.
 

Fordy20

Juniors
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Worth a listen, i personally believe Rick Wayde' s version of events in this interview.


Thanks for posting this. Anything with Rob is an absolute punish to watch, the guy is such a clueless f**kwit, but I'm glad I got to hear Rick Wayde speak.

In the interview, he made the statement that the debenture system is outdated and should be removed. It sounds like he intends to move a motion or a series of motions to pay back the $100 owed to each debenture holder and amend the HBG constitution to remove all references to debenture holders. If that's his intention, I support him 100%.

If you are a HBG member, I urge you read the requisition from Rick and Tony when you receive it and support it by turning up to a special meeting or a general meeting and voting on the issue.

If you are not a HBG member, go the membership page, buy a 5 year membership for $13 so you can become a voting member in 3 years time. There's no guarantees that Rick and Tony will be successful in getting rid of the debenture system, so your vote could make all the difference in the future.
 
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