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Russel Packer. Did we dodge a bullet?

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Dear god.. where do I start?



Dugan was a jerk who got on the drink & shirked his responsibilities to his employer.. Whilst the other two were convicted of violent crimes against other human beings.

Dugan is far, far better than the other two.

I’m happy to make that judgement call. If you can’t as well, that speaks volumes about your whole argument.




Cool.. whilst we are playing hypotheticals, let’s say we stood by him, despite what he did.. and the judge didn’t go lenient on him and he went to jail..

Do we just wait there with an open contract till he’s out?



18 is old enough to be an adult and he was tried as such.


If he should be excused because he was 19, at what age do you consider the right age to hold people accountable for domestic violence? Is it 20? 25?

Should a 30 year old at the end of his NRL career be treated any different by the courts or his club?
I love how you have taken up the cudgels in this debate and your arguments are tinged with self righteousness.
Now apply your own arguments to the De Belin situation.
Why are we standing by De Belin?
What if the judgement goes against him?
How is that different?
Happy to debate whatever you want but let's put the discussion on an even keel.
 

TruSaint

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I am not comparing any of them - maybe that's the problem with this debate.
19 year old junior who was convicted of a crime and was punished accordingly.
He got rehabilitated somewhere and is now one of the best front rowers in the comp.
Why couldn't it be at St. George?
The rest of your post with regards to doing it tough and looking back is nonsense.
This is a stand alone debate that I have mentioned numerous times before.

Nah, I call BS.

Where were the calls for FB before hand ? This is related to where we are and the desperation of our supporter base. Sacking FB at the TIME was the right thing to do.

To suggest this isn't JDB related is disingenuous.
 
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Addin Fonua-Blake wants to prove he's a better man than his record
By Daniel Lane
UpdatedMay 6, 2016 — 5.05pmfirst published at5.00pm


When Addin Fonua-Blake appeared before a judge last year he knew he was a facing a prison sentence after pleading guilty to pushing and kicking his partner Ana, the mother of his two children.

In order to prove to Ana he was sorry for an act he knows was despicable, Fonua-Blake, who was 19 at the time, realised he needed to take "ownership" of it.

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Manly NRL player Addin Fonua-Blake with his partner Ana Pilimai and their two children Malachi and Aubrey.CREDIT:DOMINIC LORRIMER

"I pleaded guilty because I done it," said Fonua-Blake, who was fined $1000, given a 12 month suspended jail sentence and ordered to undergo counselling. "Had I gone the other way and told the judge 'not guilty' it would've been a lie … I couldn't do that because it would have added to Ana's hurt.

"I needed to take ownership of what I did. I have to live with this for the rest of my footy career and the rest of my life. All I'm worried about is being the best father, the best role model and best family man possible. I can't change the past – I wish I could – but I can fix the future.


"The idea I could be in jail is a scary thought now. I didn't have a clear mind [at the time] … I was ashamed … but I had this feeling of 'I'm not scared of no-one' when I was charged. Now I realise it isn't about me. If I had've gone to jail who'd have provided for my kids?

"I was caught up in this life of thinking I was better than everyone else when I wasn't. I hadn't even played first grade but I carried on as though I had. I needed a reality check, someone to put me back in line and set me straight."

Fonua-Blake was cut by St George Illawarra when they learnt about the charges levelled against their talented NYC captain, who was earmarked as a future first-grader. But being axed was the least of the 19-year-old's problems.

As the couple sat together with their infant children, Malachi and Aubrey, at a beachside cafe in Maroubra, Fonua-Blake, who is now playing with Manly, spoke with a brutal honestly about those violent seconds he knows will define the way many people view him.

"People might have formed their judgements about me and while I don't want my kids walking around with people saying 'that's those kids whose father bashes their mum', all that matters to me is is Ana's opinion," he said. "She has given me the chance to prove I'm sorry."


Fonua-Blake, who was picked for City Origin but then had to leave the team days before the trip to Tamworth when the selectors realised he wasn't eligible after playing for the Junior Kiwis, said the flare-up that occurred after a boozy night out with his St George Illawarra teammates was fuelled by alcohol and the facade he was a big shot.

"When I was coming through the St George Illawarra ranks I had a bad drinking problem," he said. "I was always drinking and I was letting Ana and our kids down in the process. I went out one night and had a few drinks and came home hung over.

"We had an argument, one thing led to another and I was pushing her … I kicked her … and I'm very ashamed of it. I grew up around that sort of stuff and Ana deserves much better than that."

Government statistics released in 2015 documented one in six Australian women have experienced violence from a current or former partner, one in three will experience domestic violence in their lifetime. Fonua-Blake hoped talking openly about his actions –and shame – might help some men realise there's no excuse for raising their hands to a woman.

Ana, who met Fonua-Blake when they attended school together, explained the reason why she's remained in the relationship was because she knows the man he really is.


"When it first happened I thought 'why me?'," she said. "But when I looked at Addin I could see he needed help and I couldn't leave him where he was.

"I loved him and I just wanted to be with him – not because of the kids, not because of his career – but because I loved him and wanted to help him. And he's improved so much."

Fonua-Blake said Ana convinced him to continue to train like a first-grader for the 18 months he was on the outer and uncertain whether the NRL's integrity unit would register him. He credited the encouragement and support from Manly coach Trent Barrett and official Bob Fulton provided him some hope his career wasn't over.

"Ana swayed me to keep going," he said. "She told me 'this is what you're good at, keep doing it'. She said I needed to make better decisions on the field and off it and I listened and I stuck with it."

Fonua-Blake endured a violent upbringing as a child in Sydney's south-east. He often witnessed his mother being attacked by her partner and he was also involved in vicious one-on-one street fights, although he's reluctant to go into much detail about either subject.


"It is a hard childhood but then again, a lot of kids grew up through it, too," he said. "But they don't get the right help. I had Ana, my manager Tyran Smith, my mother, my barrister Julieanne Levick and friends. I realised I had a lot of people around me and they were all willing to give me a hand.

"Growing up I fought a lot at school, out of school … wherever. I was bigger than most of the others so when I was a kid I fought older teenagers, when I was a teenager I took on men.

"I didn't feel as though I was angry. I thought I had something to prove; being this big kid you feel like you have to take on anyone and if they want to 'go' you have to be ready.

"I wish I could change all that but I can't. I'm older, I'm wiser and these days if anyone walks up to me and wants to carry on I just think 'good on you, do what you want and I'll do what I want'."

Tyran Smith said Fonua-Blake was desperate to redeem himself to Ana before suggesting the 20-year-old has it in him to teach others about the consequences of regrettable actions. Levick believes he could be a great counsellor.


Fonua-Blake said he's done everything the court ordered, and more, because he's also volunteered to talk to young NRL players about the consequences of poor judgement.

"But more important than anything else is Ana has given me the chance to prove myself to her and I'm grateful," he said. "I could be sitting in jail but I'm being a dad and a partner who loves his family more than anything else.

"In that [court-ordered] counselling course I realised a lot of my stuff stemmed back to my alcohol problem. While I'm in a much better place than 18 months ago I'm not finished yet. I can go a lot further."

If you or someone you know is experiencing domestic violence, you can ring the Domestic Violence Line for help on 1800 656 463 or 24 hour, National Sexual Assault, Family & Domestic Violence Counselling Line 1800 737 732.


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Good on him.

Keep on keeping that chin of yours up, AFB.
 

muzby

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I love how you have taken up the cudgels in this debate and your arguments are tinged with self righteousness.
Now apply your own arguments to the De Belin situation.
Why are we standing by De Belin?
What if the judgement goes against him?
How is that different?
Happy to debate whatever you want but let's put the discussion on an even keel.
Changing the goalposts again?

The jack situation is simple.

If convicted, the club should cut him loose.

Once he’s served his punishment he’s free to join again.

This is exactly the same as the AFB and Packer case.

Next.
 

muzby

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He got rehabilitated somewhere and is now one of the best front rowers in the comp.
Why couldn't it be at St. George?
And this is the clear problem with your argument..

You are putting your demands as a fan ahead of your position as a human being.
 

Old Timer

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I think the comments re AFB not being rehabilitated at our club asks a fair question.
His crimes were admitted to and he fessed up for the punishment which was at the discretion of the judicial system.
The crime he admitted to whilst unpleasant showed that he had some integrity by being truthful and only being 19 with no role models meant that he needed guidance and we absolved our responsibilities by terminating his contract we turned out to be “nimby’s” in fact.
We could have offered to stand him down and put him into a counselling programme and depending on his progress looked at him returning to the club as a better person.
Our actions didn’t necessarily make his partners circumstances any better.
 
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Nah, I call BS.

Where were the calls for FB before hand ? This is related to where we are and the desperation of our supporter base. Sacking FB at the TIME was the right thing to do.

To suggest this isn't JDB related is disingenuous.
I have posted the same question re AFB numerous times long before we were "desperate".
Don't even doubt it champ.
I can pull up previous posts if it means that much to you.
YOU say it was the right thing to do at the time and there are questions that remain unanswered.
 

TruSaint

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I have posted the same question re AFB numerous times long before we were "desperate".
Don't even doubt it champ.
I can pull up previous posts if it means that much to you.
YOU say it was the right thing to do at the time and there are questions that remain unanswered.

CHAMP, i don't need to recall your posts.
Your message is clear.
You compared the indiscretions of Josh Dugan to those of Packer and FB.
Refer post #96

I will leave it there CHAMP.
Have a nice nite.
 

muzby

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I honestly don't understand what you mean.
I’ll put it in plain English then..

You are bitching simply because AFB has turned out to be a great player and one that we missed out on..

Had he turned into a dud you would have forgotten all about him.
 

muzby

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I think the comments re AFB not being rehabilitated at our club asks a fair question.
His crimes were admitted to and he fessed up for the punishment which was at the discretion of the judicial system.
The crime he admitted to whilst unpleasant showed that he had some integrity by being truthful and only being 19 with no role models meant that he needed guidance and we absolved our responsibilities by terminating his contract we turned out to be “nimby’s” in fact.
We could have offered to stand him down and put him into a counselling programme and depending on his progress looked at him returning to the club as a better person.
Our actions didn’t necessarily make his partners circumstances any better.
And if he turned out to be a bad player, not a good one?

You’re simply another one of many in football/the media/society who are willing to put those with footballing ability above others..
 

Old Timer

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And if he turned out to be a bad player, not a good one?

You’re simply another one of many in football/the media/society who are willing to put those with footballing ability above others..
Again the judgemental muzby makes an arsehole of himself and ignores the thrust of the post.
For the record you prat and if you had bothered to pay attention to earlier posts I have made the company I managed for 30 years was at my instigation involved with a prisoner release programme for some of the longest term and hardened prisoners in NSW corrections.
So I believe I have a far better understanding of this type of situation than you could ever imagine.
Some made in and some didn’t but putting time an effort into seeing someone return to society a better person is one of the most rewarding things I have ever done in my life.
Far more rewarding than your judgemental posts and totally false assumptions of what I believe.
 

Warabrook saint

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Packer did very well out of our involvement and good luck to him and his Family.
What I don't understand is that we were prepared to go out on a limb for Packer and we also did the same for Dugan and yet we didn't do the same for Fonua Blake.
If we are so big on rehabilitating bad boys at least pick the right ones.
We went out on a limb for Packer and he repaid us by bludging on us for half a season as soon as he signed elsewhere
 

muzby

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Again the judgemental muzby makes an arsehole of himself and ignores the thrust of the post.
For the record you prat and if you had bothered to pay attention to earlier posts I have made the company I managed for 30 years was at my instigation involved with a prisoner release programme for some of the longest term and hardened prisoners in NSW corrections.
So I believe I have a far better understanding of this type of situation than you could ever imagine.
Some made in and some didn’t but putting time an effort into seeing someone return to society a better person is one of the most rewarding things I have ever done in my life.
Far more rewarding than your judgemental posts and totally false assumptions of what I believe.
Great to hear that rehabilitation of a prisoner is a great thing.. But clearly you have chosen to go off half cocked instead of actually reading this thread..

Please read this comment from a rather handsome and wise individual:

Packer accepted his fate and did his time. Effectively as far as our legal system goes, he paid his penalty and is rehabilitated. So I’m leaving this out of the discussion.

So as you were saying:

It’s truly a long way to fall from your high horse.

Don’t worry, I’ll be there to catch you..
 

Old Timer

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Great to hear that rehabilitation of a prisoner is a great thing.. But clearly you have chosen to go off half cocked instead of actually reading this thread..

Please read this comment from a rather handsome and wise individual:



So as you were saying:



Don’t worry, I’ll be there to catch you..
Nice try to free yourself but alas you are well and truly on the hook
You accused me falsely of only having consideration based on his football ability which was not fulfilled at the age of 19 when he offended.
Your post shows clearly that you are willing to be judgemental and quickly commit 19 year olds to the scrap heap of humanity.
You show no ability to reason out how this young man could have been helped and you we’re just happy for him not to be associated with the club you follow.
19 years of age with a partner, a child, from a background of domestic violence and you play Pontious Pilate.
Well played
 

muzby

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Nice try to free yourself but alas you are well and truly on the hook
You accused me falsely of only having consideration based on his football ability which was not fulfilled at the age of 19 when he offended.
Your post shows clearly that you are willing to be judgemental and quickly commit 19 year olds to the scrap heap of humanity.
You show no ability to reason out how this young man could have been helped and you we’re just happy for him not to be associated with the club you follow.
19 years of age with a partner, a child, from a background of domestic violence and you play Pontious Pilate.
Well played
Rubbish.

I’m saying that 19 years of age is more than old enough to know right from wrong.

I did a lot of stupid stuff at 19, as I’m sure you did too..

But I knew that hitting a woman was not on.. Even in spite of my family background..

We have justice system for a reason.. And it shouldn’t be swayed simply because a bloke can handle a Steeden..

And whilst I’m happy to hear you were able to profit from the justice system, you should also be aware that for each person you profited from rehabilitating, there was at least one victim they had impacted..

In many cases there were more than one person impacted..


Not to mention of course the other times that a criminal wasn’t rehabilitated..
 

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