Ruud...King Of Europe

[Bumble]

In Premiership history I said

His closest competition might be Shearer or someone like that

Ruud isn't close, Henry played EPL for twice as long and outshone Ruud even when Ruud was there

Uh huh

Henry: 174 goals in 254 EPL games = A goal every 1.46 games

Ruud: 95 goals in 140 EPL games = A goal every 1.47 games

Now add in their Europe goals and the choice becomes easy

A ftr, Shearer scored more than Henry in the EPL.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

Henry: 174 goals in 254 EPL games = A goal every 1.46 games

Ruud: 95 goals in 140 EPL games = A goal every 1.47 games

I don't get your point Bumble, this proves exactly what I said

Henry was equally as prolific as Ruud in the EPL for twice as long, therefore Henry>Ruud as an EPL player

That's not even starting to talk about how a strikers role is more than merely a goal tally....

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

To summarise

Strictly on EPL performances, someone like Shearer has massive longevity and a fine goalscoring record. Other guys like Andy Cole have scored a lot of goals in the EPL too iirc.

Henry has longevity (8 seasons), although not to the same extent, but a better goalscoring record

Ruud has a fine goalscoring record but only over 4 seasons

Henry clearly>Ruud on EPL performances and there's a strong argument he's the best ever EPL striker based only on EPL performances

I don't know why you are even fighting this lost cause- during the 4 years that Ruud played in the EPL, Arsenal did the double, had the undefeated season, and Henry was golden boot in 3 of those 4 seasons. Even if you limit it to EPL performances during the time the two were both playing Henry comes out on top.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

it is actually it's just that arsenal never had anybody to give henry service so henry had to go deep to get the ball. notice how he plays a completely different game for france? RVN had world class service and as a world class striker he buried goals consistently.

the point actually proves RVN still did what henry did in half the time henry did it

and RVN has now played in 3 leagues and has proven a world class goal scorer in all 3

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

it is actually it's just that arsenal never had anybody to give henry service so henry had to go deep to get the ball. notice how he plays a completely different game for france? RVN had world class service and as a world class striker he buried goals consistently.

the point actually proves RVN still did what henry did in half the time henry did it

and RVN has now played in 3 leagues and has proven a world class goal scorer in all 3

??

The point proves that Ruud did HALF what Henry did in HALF the time

Their performances were similar but Henry maintained for twice as long

Also, you just admitted that Henry had lesser service but the same goalscoring rate :?

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

exactly. ruud did what HENRY DID in HALF THE TIME. are you struggling?

and henry had 95% of arsenal's ball. he would just go deep and take it forward and try and go all himself. you'd expect him to have a decent strike rate

and let's not forget it's only a fight between sir alex and rvn that rvn went to la liga. i bet you anything rvn comes up with a better scoring tally at the end of the year ;-)

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

exactly. ruud did what HENRY DID in HALF THE TIME. are you struggling?

Exactly

If two guys score goals at the same rate, but one does it for twice as long, the latter has to be rated higher, that's common sense. It's called consistent, long term performance.

Restricting the discussion to EPL performances (which I have), Henry and Ruud performed at a similar standard but Henry maintained for twice as long.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

and henry had 95% of arsenal's ball. he would just go deep and take it forward and try and go all himself. you'd expect him to have a decent strike rate

As I already pointed out, Arsenal were more successful than Man U during the years that Ruud played EPL.

Therefore, if Henry had 95% of the ball he must have been singlehandedly winning them all those games and trophies

 

[Dragooner]

STOP FIGHTING!

It's pointless.

You're just fighting over second best.

It's:

1.Goran Pandev
2.Fight for it...

 

[Jonah Lomu]

BTW Ruud scored 95 goals in 143 games (66.4%)).

 

[Bumble]

BTW Ruud scored 95 goals in 150 games (63.33%).

Wikipedia told me 140

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

and 25 goals in his first year in la liga. let's see if henry can do that eh

 

[Jonah Lomu]

Hmm according to soccernet he scored 95 in 143 which is wrong as he played in 32 games in the 01-02 season not 26 and footballdatabase shows 95 in 150, either way its very impressive but clearly inferior to Henry who scored 130 in 171 (76%!!!) during the same period.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

and 25 goals in his first year in la liga. let's see if henry can do that eh

meh, Henry is past his best imo

Still the best EPL striker of his era and better than Ruud when they were playing EPL together

 

[Mad Dogg]

I'd have taken Ruud over Henry for the first three seasons he played in the EPL (02-04). But after Ruud injured his knee he lost some pace and work ethic, and I'd have definitely taken Henry over Ruud in the last two seasons (05 & 06).

 

[league]

Hahah @ those suggesting Ruud is better than Henry. Ruud isn't half the player Henry is, and this is coming from a Man Utd fan....

Henry outscored Ruud in 4 of the 5 seasons they played EPL together....Henry became the first striker in EPL history to score 20+ goals in 5 consecutive seasons.

Henry is also the all time leader in assists.....even more than Ryan Giggs.....Henry has much more to his game than Ruud.....and also, even his scoring rate is better than Ruuds...

Ruud -

2005/06 - 35 games, 21 goals
2004/05 - 17 games, 6 goals
2003/04 - 32 games, 20 goals
2002/03 - 34 games, 25 goals
2001/02 - 32 games, 23 goals

150 games - 95 goals. 63.3%

Henry -

2006/07 - 17 games, 10 goals
2005/06 - 32 games, 27 goals
2004/05 - 32 games, 25 goals
2003/04 - 37 games, 30 goals
2002/03 - 37 games, 24 goals
2001/02 - 33 games, 24 goals
2000/01 - 35 games, 17 goals
1999/00 - 31 games, 18 goals


254 games - 175 goals. 68.9&

In the 4 years Ruud played in the EPL, Henry's scoring rate was... 171 games - 130 goals = 0.76 goals/game.

next please.

 

[Dragooner]

next please.

Pandev vs Pele

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

Hahah @ those suggesting Ruud is better than Henry. Ruud isn't half the player Henry is, and this is coming from a Man Utd fan....

Henry outscored Ruud in 4 of the 5 seasons they played EPL together....Henry became the first striker in EPL history to score 20+ goals in 5 consecutive seasons.

Henry is also the all time leader in assists.....even more than Ryan Giggs.....Henry has much more to his game than Ruud.....and also, even his scoring rate is better than Ruuds...

Ruud -

2005/06 - 35 games, 21 goals
2004/05 - 17 games, 6 goals
2003/04 - 32 games, 20 goals
2002/03 - 34 games, 25 goals
2001/02 - 32 games, 23 goals

150 games - 95 goals. 63.3%

Henry -

2006/07 - 17 games, 10 goals
2005/06 - 32 games, 27 goals
2004/05 - 32 games, 25 goals
2003/04 - 37 games, 30 goals
2002/03 - 37 games, 24 goals
2001/02 - 33 games, 24 goals
2000/01 - 35 games, 17 goals
1999/00 - 31 games, 18 goals


254 games - 175 goals. 68.9&

In the 4 years Ruud played in the EPL, Henry's scoring rate was... 171 games - 130 goals = 0.76 goals/game.

next please.

Well, that sums it up rather nicely, the bolded bit in particular