Sack Adam O'Brien

[Woody90]

Was the defense the issue? We defend really well, we just put ourselves into positions to concede. Put any team in our position of 20% possession and they would concede as much as us!

You’re looking at it way too small picture. It’s not so much McDermott is a bad coach, but he’s part of an overall system that’s not working. Simply removing AOB isn’t going to be the fresh start the playing group. They need totally new voices.

 

[Dr Dr Gimedanews]

So the consensus is

Outlay cap space by re-signing proven poor ROI players.

Roster is not performing to its potential (even though it’s a car with no driver and little under the hood).

Free up cap space by replacing the only star on the roster and one of the game’s elite players, removing one of the only stable elements the club has known these last years.

Sack the coach, and remove the only other stable element within the organization, and extend the misery.

This forum is no better than a random red-neck punching at the keyboard on Facebook.

You’re looking at it way too small picture.

no doubt the irony flew straight over your head.

 

[HarVeeGee]

I’ve been a huge Kalyn apologist for years, but if you’re going to rabbit on about “proven poor ROI players”, maybe don’t call people stupid for noticing that we’re paying $1.4m for a guy playing like he’s scared to get tackled at the moment…

The “only star on the roster” who’s being outplayed by a rookie five-eighth, who’s offering the only good thing in our attack right now by excelling at the aspects of fullback play Kalyn has steadfastly refused to ever get better at.

 

[Knight Tales]

So the consensus is

Outlay cap space by re-signing proven poor ROI players.

Roster is not performing to its potential (even though it’s a car with no driver and little under the hood).

Free up cap space by replacing the only star on the roster and one of the game’s elite players, removing one of the only stable elements the club has known these last years.

Sack the coach, and remove the only other stable element within the organization, and extend the misery.

This forum is no better than a random red-neck punching at the keyboard on Facebook.


no doubt the irony flew straight over your head.

You literally backed McDermott to replace him!

 

[Alex28]

We'll see how everyones appetite is if this continues throughout the season. My gut tells me we'll pull out of the tailspin just in time to grant plausible deniability, just like we always do.

Will probably make the 8!

 

[The Axe of Druss]

So the consensus is

Outlay cap space by re-signing proven poor ROI players.

Roster is not performing to its potential (even though it’s a car with no driver and little under the hood).

Free up cap space by replacing the only star on the roster and one of the game’s elite players, removing one of the only stable elements the club has known these last years.

Sack the coach, and remove the only other stable element within the organization, and extend the misery.

This forum is no better than a random red-neck punching at the keyboard on Facebook.


no doubt the irony flew straight over your head.

-Long post
-Repeat nonsense
-Pretentious words/acronyms in an attempt to sound smart

You really are 1 dimensional like someone put "Donald Trump as a forum poster" into ChatGPT

 

[Dr Dr Gimedanews]

I’ve been a huge Kalyn apologist for years, but if you’re going to rabbit on about “proven poor ROI players”, maybe don’t *call people stupid for noticing that we’re paying $1.4m for a guy playing like he’s scared to get tackled at the moment…

The “only star on the roster” who’s being outplayed by a rookie five-eighth, who’s offering the only good thing in our attack right now by excelling at the aspects of fullback play Kalyn has steadfastly refused to ever get better at.

*please repost my ad hominem. I'd like to see it.

Form is temporary class is permanent. THE only star in the roster. Certainly the ONLY player in the top 4 in his position - and he's a spine player.

You literally backed McDermott to replace him!

IF you were to sack AOB that's who I'd replace him with. I wouldn't sack AOB. Finally the club has got it's shit together and hired a pro in recruitment, green shoots appearing regarding juniors, sacking the coach obliterates what little stability has been accomplished - what good coach would want to come to a perceived dumpster fire?

-Long post
-Repeat nonsense
-Pretentious words/acronyms in an attempt to sound smart

You really are 1 dimensional like someone put "Donald Trump as a forum poster" into ChatGPT

always insightful, always respectful, such a delight. Mummy must be proud.

 

[HarVeeGee]

*please repost my ad hominem. I'd like to see it.

This forum is no better than a random red-neck punching at the keyboard on Facebook.

 

[Mr_Knightside]

Ok so throwing this out there as a discussion point, not because I think it’s the right thing but just worth talking about. There’s word that Des has a clause in his contract where he can be sacked if the Titans if they don’t make the 8 this year.

Hypothetically, if he was sacked by the Titans and AOB is sacked by the Knights would it be worth looking at Des as his replacement?

Here’s the pros and cons of that as I see it:

Pros:
- Des is an experienced coach with plenty of runs on the board and a couple of premierships to boot (probably has the best CV of anyone who’s likely to be available soon)
- He’s a very attacking coach and usually gets his team scoring points (which we desperately need)
- He wouldn’t compromise on standards
- The defence and overall “grit” at the club is already in place but it’s more the game management and overall strategy that needs to change, and Des could probably do that
- He’s always been a good recruiter

Cons:
- He hasn’t won a premiership in 14 years and hasn’t taken a team to a GF in 11 years, is he a spent force?
- Are his tactics out of date?
- Does he over-complicate things too much with his obsession with data and stuff like that?

 

[The Axe of Druss]

Ok so throwing this out there as a discussion point, not because I think it’s the right thing but just worth talking about. There’s word that Des has a clause in his contract where he can be sacked if the Titans if they don’t make the 8 this year.

Hypothetically, if he was sacked by the Titans and AOB is sacked by the Knights would it be worth looking at Des as his replacement?

Here’s the pros and cons of that as I see it:

Pros:
- Des is an experienced coach with plenty of runs on the board and a couple of premierships to boot (probably has the best CV of anyone who’s likely to be available soon)
- He’s a very attacking coach and usually gets his team scoring points (which we desperately need)
- He wouldn’t compromise on standards
- The defence and overall “grit” at the club is already in place but it’s more the game management and overall strategy that needs to change, and Des could probably do that
- He’s always been a good recruiter

Cons:
- He hasn’t won a premiership in 14 years and hasn’t taken a team to a GF in 11 years, is he a spent force?
- Are his tactics out of date?
- Does he over-complicate things too much with his obsession with data and stuff like that?

Oh god no

His tenure at the Titans is proof Des is past it as a coach and his ability to pull a mess together is non existent. He looks to have mana management skills on par with Brian Smith too

 

[HarVeeGee]

Most important qualities in a head coach are man management and the right mix of pride and humility. The pride to set and maintain standards, and the humility to delegate, to always be ready and willing to yield to the best idea.

The really technical & tactical head coach... while those traits are useful, it does seem like it's not what you want now. Likely the job is just too big for one guy to micromanage it these days. My suspicion with AOB has always been that his main issue is that he's a bit overbearing and overly technical, he's a bit in the Anthony Griffin camp - a coach whose record is decent, but there's just something not quite there. Seems like he's respected but not necessarily loved.

For me Craig Bellamy is still the best coach in the game and he'll be the first to tell you that he's not setting out witch's hats or drawing up plays. He's the co-ordinator of a big team. Players and assistants are empowered to do their jobs. The only things that aren't flexible, that are non-negotiable are effort, attitude and character. Everyone at that club obviously loves the bloke.

We're seeing how good Wayne Bennett is in action this year and the set up isn't that different to when Souths went into a long tailspin last year. Ben Hornby's doing heaps of the actual coaching still. But there's just something about Wayne players respect. They're willing to run that little bit harder. Ivan Cleary's vibe is very Bennett as well.

If it was easy to find this type of person, this guy that others would run through a brick wall for, there'd be more of them around. The only guy we've had at the club where I've heard anything like those kinds of wraps about, really, is Rory Kostjasyn.

 

[perverse]

Ok so throwing this out there as a discussion point, not because I think it’s the right thing but just worth talking about. There’s word that Des has a clause in his contract where he can be sacked if the Titans if they don’t make the 8 this year.

Hypothetically, if he was sacked by the Titans and AOB is sacked by the Knights would it be worth looking at Des as his replacement?

Here’s the pros and cons of that as I see it:

Pros:
- Des is an experienced coach with plenty of runs on the board and a couple of premierships to boot (probably has the best CV of anyone who’s likely to be available soon)
- He’s a very attacking coach and usually gets his team scoring points (which we desperately need)
- He wouldn’t compromise on standards
- The defence and overall “grit” at the club is already in place but it’s more the game management and overall strategy that needs to change, and Des could probably do that
- He’s always been a good recruiter

Cons:
- He hasn’t won a premiership in 14 years and hasn’t taken a team to a GF in 11 years, is he a spent force?
- Are his tactics out of date?
- Does he over-complicate things too much with his obsession with data and stuff like that?

Kinda wild seeing a club set standards expected from the coaching staff. Well, high standards at least. Crazy that a Top 8 clause is good enough for a premiership winning coach, but not for our bloke.

 

[Woody90]

Ok so throwing this out there as a discussion point, not because I think it’s the right thing but just worth talking about. There’s word that Des has a clause in his contract where he can be sacked if the Titans if they don’t make the 8 this year.

Hypothetically, if he was sacked by the Titans and AOB is sacked by the Knights would it be worth looking at Des as his replacement?

Here’s the pros and cons of that as I see it:

Pros:
- Des is an experienced coach with plenty of runs on the board and a couple of premierships to boot (probably has the best CV of anyone who’s likely to be available soon)
- He’s a very attacking coach and usually gets his team scoring points (which we desperately need)
- He wouldn’t compromise on standards
- The defence and overall “grit” at the club is already in place but it’s more the game management and overall strategy that needs to change, and Des could probably do that
- He’s always been a good recruiter

Cons:
- He hasn’t won a premiership in 14 years and hasn’t taken a team to a GF in 11 years, is he a spent force?
- Are his tactics out of date?
- Does he over-complicate things too much with his obsession with data and stuff like that?

It's a hard no from me. I was surprised so many people wanted us to sign him in 2023. He has a track record for ruining caps and he hasn't been able to get any buy in from the Titans players. I do think they're a lost cause as a club and he was on a hiding to nothing, but we're equally f**ked so I doubt he could do anything here.

 

[Old dog]

Unlikely we will see Obi depart but if so I don’t see anyone available that will likely improve things.
if it happens during season then the obvious is McDermott as caretaker until someone is available or he shows signs of improving us.
Dont see any of it happening but frustration will create more talk.

 

[perverse]

The first few pages of this thread are interesting reading. Crazy how it's the same old f**king story. Can we please move past this pretender already? He's wasted half a decade of my football watching life.

 

[Woody90]

Surely if we lose to the Eels at home it starts to be seriously talked about. I know we’ve had periods like this the last 2 years before winning enough to get into the finals, but we’ve never lost 6/7 before in that period.

My concern though with the loss of Leo and Marzhew is that he’ll get more opportunities to use injury as an excuse again, when in reality Leo doesn’t offer as much as is stated and while Marzhew is really important to us he’s also a winger.

 

[The Axe of Druss]

Hard to know what would save our club. I think his tactics have been very questionable at times. On the flip side we have some serious $$ on the sidelines atm. I feel like even with our losses we've been staying in games a lot longer this year. Like tonight with the injuries we could have collapsed a lot earlier. I'm not sure that's enough though.

Honestly I think our current problem is more the lack of on field leadership. We've been missing it for a long time. We're a team of nobodies in that regard.

This was posted 3 years ago


Could have been posted today

 

[perverse]

Surely if we lose to the Eels at home it starts to be seriously talked about. I know we’ve had periods like this the last 2 years before winning enough to get into the finals, but we’ve never lost 6/7 before in that period.

My concern though with the loss of Leo and Marzhew is that he’ll get more opportunities to use injury as an excuse again, when in reality Leo doesn’t offer as much as is stated and while Marzhew is really important to us he’s also a winger.

Honestly, from what I saw on the weekend - it's just a matter of time and how much punishment the club wants to put the fans through before admitting they've f**ked up for 5 years - and REALLY f**ked up with his current extension in 2023. He's got no answers and never has. He needs to go back to what he's good at and be an assistant coach.

The problem with the players is mental - it's all in their heads. They don't want to lose, so the effort is still there in defence (at least in patches... but it's waning now as belief dies down and reality sets in). However, things get too hard very quickly now and the attitudes stink. You can tell shit is rotton off the field on body language alone. Kalyns heart isn't in it right now. Injury or not, we know what a motivated Ponga looks like and this is not it.

A change has to be made. It's beyond diabolical and we shouldn't have to wait until our fate is sealed this year to do it. If we make a change now and even just install a caretaker coach from within to see out there year - I promise you we will see a lift on the field too. I'm done with the "hurr durr we need an able replacement ready". No, we really don't. You just pay him out and he doesn't show up to work tomorrow, it's simple. McDermott, Green, whoever the f**k can baby the toddlers until we find his actual replacement. I'm f**kin done with this idiot. Done.

 

[The Axe of Druss]

Could we go after Sam Burgess?

Knows what it takes to win
Sets high standards and expects them to be kept
Pipeline to the ESL

 

[mozza91]

Could we go after Sam Burgess?

Knows what it takes to win
Sets high standards and expects them to be kept
Pipeline to the ESL

We’ll need to hire an interpreter though. Actually they might already have one for Obi’s deep stammering man voice.