SACK DEAN YOUNG

[Dragon David]

Has Young been released as yet
Hasn't coached a Nrl team or Nsw cup Carr should be moved to assistant flanno next year.

Carr is Flanno's assistant attack coach JM.

 

[possm]

Young should be let go purely because of is performance as defensive coach.

Carr was the assistant coach for attack in 2024. I don't think he did a good job either.

 

[Slippery Morris]

I thought Young is the Assistant Coach, Carr was looking after the attack and Ben Woolf defence like last season. Woolf may go back to Qld to be with his brother at the Dolphins and Saints may bring in someone knew.

You can criticise the defence but attack was not that much better. It was still give the ball to Hunt and hope for the best most of the time.

 

[saintmar]

Young didn’t keep Hunt someone else did

And now it’s Young who is the man who has finally told Hunt the truth
Well done Deano

 

[blacksafake]

And now it’s Young who is the man who has finally told Hunt the truth
Well done Deano

And you know this for a fact?

 

[redVinme]

And you know this for a fact?

No , he's just a bored troll.

 

[saintmar]

And you know this for a fact?

Yes
Also backed up by the article

 

[saintmar]

No , he's just a bored troll.

 

[Kolum Kid]

[saintmar
Yes
Also backed up by the article

What article?

 

[jay mac]

I thought Young is the Assistant Coach, Carr was looking after the attack and Ben Woolf defence like last season. Woolf may go back to Qld to be with his brother at the Dolphins and Saints may bring in someone knew.

You can criticise the defence but attack was not that much better. It was still give the ball to Hunt and hope for the best most of the time.

Surprisingly, saints missed 2nd fewest tackles in NRL this regular season (only the Storm had fewer missed tackles). Also surprisingly, the Dogs missed the most tackles. I don’t think defence is the issue. For mine it is a) go forward and b) self belief. Hunt does not help with either.

 

[Inisai Toga]

Surprisingly, saints missed 2nd fewest tackles in NRL this regular season (only the Storm had fewer missed tackles). Also surprisingly, the Dogs missed the most tackles. I don’t think defence is the issue. For mine it is a) go forward and b) self belief. Hunt does not help with either.

A more interesting stat would be who misses them where they miss them and when they miss them! You can see in some games where our defence has improved e.g Titans and Melbourne second round. However, we have some deplorable misses at crucial times in the game, which just changes the whole complexity of the game, particularly out-wide. It’s still a big problem and unfortunately the technique wasn’t developed with some players coming through the grades.

 

[since77]

Surprisingly, saints missed 2nd fewest tackles in NRL this regular season (only the Storm had fewer missed tackles). Also surprisingly, the Dogs missed the most tackles. I don’t think defence is the issue. For mine it is a) go forward and b) self belief. Hunt does not help with either.

If that's truly the case - do you have a source for that? - then that's proof right there that stats on their own are very misleading - just like the famous Ben Hunt try assist stat that the media love to talk about.
Defence was most definitely our biggest issue this year - and it all came down to attitude and intent from the players.
By the way on the Dogs defence - their success in defence came down to their ability to get away with slowing down the ruck all season in old fashioned Melbourne Storm style. You can get away with missing a lot of tackles if you scramble well and are given a free pass to slow down the play the ball.

 

[jay mac]

If that's truly the case - do you have a source for that? - then that's proof right there that stats on their own are very misleading - just like the famous Ben Hunt try assist stat that the media love to talk about.
Defence was most definitely our biggest issue this year - and it all came down to attitude and intent from the players.
By the way on the Dogs defence - their success in defence came down to their ability to get away with slowing down the ruck all season in old fashioned Melbourne Storm style. You can get away with missing a lot of tackles if you scramble well and are given a free pass to slow down the play the ball.

Straight from NRL.com (it has added in the finals week 1 stats since i looked, but you get the drift):

My point was, I think our defensive issues have more to do with attitude than technical aspects. And i think there are other aspects of our game that are more problematic than our defence (ironically, attitude and self-belief being one of them). Flanno needs another good off season, and one with a proper leader of men on the training paddock.

 

[jay mac]

A more interesting stat would be who misses them where they miss them and when they miss them! You can see in some games where our defence has improved e.g Titans and Melbourne second round. However, we have some deplorable misses at crucial times in the game, which just changes the whole complexity of the game, particularly out-wide. It’s still a big problem and unfortunately the technique wasn’t developed with some players coming through the grades.

Who misses them?

Liddle - 83
Hunt - 76
Su'A - 71
Eisenhuth - 62

Where? Typically, in front of the try line
When? Usually when we need to win to stay in the eight. And usually in spurts of, say, 10-20 minutes.

 

[SAP58]

If that's truly the case - do you have a source for that? - then that's proof right there that stats on their own are very misleading - just like the famous Ben Hunt try assist stat that the media love to talk about.
Defence was most definitely our biggest issue this year - and it all came down to attitude and intent from the players.
By the way on the Dogs defence - their success in defence came down to their ability to get away with slowing down the ruck all season in old fashioned Melbourne Storm style. You can get away with missing a lot of tackles if you scramble well and are given a free pass to slow down the play the ball.

I think you can add discipline, which we lack in bucket loads continually giving away repeat sets via 6 again or penalties. Drains the energy & we make mistakes when we are getting tired. Flanno has a big job to turn it around we have lacked it for 10 years now….. very frustrating !

 

[hook hook]

Missed tackles are a useless statistic. Were last in the NRL for meters conceded and post contact meters conceded. Missed tackle stats show that they stick to them but don’t stop the opposition. Across the board I’d say that’s defensive coaching

 

[Ghostrider22]

Missed tackles are a useless statistic. Were last in the NRL for meters conceded and post contact meters conceded. Missed tackle stats show that they stick to them but don’t stop the opposition. Across the board I’d say that’s defensive coaching

 

[Ghostrider22]

Our line speed is hopeless that’s D and fitness, at one time you could stand and bend but not break we are so disjointed that’s the coach then the players.

 

[RedVee]

TBH I don’t know what Dean is supposed to be doing as Snr Assistant. Let alone whether he is doing well at it or not.
VH had Dean at Cowboys a couple of years ago and is still coming to us.