Sack Flanagan

[Illusion]

Not if it means Dean Young to be coach. We need much better.

Been saying the same thing. This is what scares me the most ........ The big knobs will come out and say he has done his apprenticeship .........

 

[since77]

To preface, I think Kyle is shit too. But how can you say that “we lost because Kyle is shit” and not because of goal kicking? Seriously one is subjective and the other is quantitatively correct. One more goal and we win. Simple maths

Poor OT isn’t capable of letting facts get in the way of a good unhinged rant. He might have missed his nap time. He was due to show up after a loss to gloat. If only Ryles had been our coach, he whispers like it’s a rosary………
While OT’s correct that we were unbelievably stupid and that was indeed a contributing factor to the loss - a thing that pretty much all of us agree on - to say that missed goal kicks (one of which was relatively simple for most top flight kickers) weren’t the objective reason we lost the game is daft. We lost several games because of Zac’s poor kicking in ’23, now Holmes is doing the same in ‘25.
OT also seems quite happy to ignore that poor officiating also had a genuine impact on the flow and momentum of the game, something our coach referenced during the press conference as all of those decisions contributed to fatigue, and our mob isn’t capable of thinking clearly under fatigue.
Now if OT had come out and said something like we lost because of a combination of our unbelievable stupidity, poor goal kicking and some questionable officiating, he might have more credibility……but that doesn’t suit his narrative.

 

[Mojo]

Poor OT isn’t capable of letting facts get in the way of a good unhinged rant. He might have missed his nap time. He was due to show up after a loss to gloat. If only Ryles had been our coach, he whispers like it’s a rosary………
While OT’s correct that we were unbelievably stupid and that was indeed a contributing factor to the loss - a thing that pretty much all of us agree on - to say that missed goal kicks (one of which was relatively simple for most top flight kickers) weren’t the objective reason we lost the game is daft. We lost several games because of Zac’s poor kicking in ’23, now Holmes is doing the same in ‘25.
OT also seems quite happy to ignore that poor officiating also had a genuine impact on the flow and momentum of the game, something our coach referenced during the press conference as all of those decisions contributed to fatigue, and our mob isn’t capable of thinking clearly under fatigue.
Now if OT had come out and said something like we lost because of a combination of our unbelievable stupidity, poor goal kicking and some questionable officiating, he might have more credibility……but that doesn’t suit his narrative.

OK - but why make it personal?

 

[since77]

OK - but why make it personal?

Firstly, OT gives as good as he gets. He’s a big boy. He’s like an old school front rower - he loves the rough stuff. If he replies I’ll try really hard to read his response without getting as upset as you are about mine.
And I’ll tell you what - if he needs therapy or counselling after my supposedly personal post I’ll gladly chip in for it.

 

[Mojo]

Firstly, OT gives as good as he gets. He’s a big boy. He’s like an old school front rower - he loves the rough stuff. If he replies I’ll try really hard to read his response without getting as upset as you are about mine.
And I’ll tell you what - if he needs therapy or counselling after my supposedly personal post I’ll gladly chip in for it.

No worries. I'm not upset.

 

[56to66]

Because the game is getting so close from winning or losing a game, should they implement 1 point gain for a loss by less than 3 points and if you lose by more than 30 points you have a point deducted,
So in St George's case they would have an additional 3 points

 

[Hound of Dracula]

I always laugh when Flanno's recruitment is dissed
He's the bloody coach, not the recruitment officer.

Those who are using recruitment as the reason Flanno should be sacked are basically confirming Flanno would be a great coach with a better roster

Go figure!

 

[Old Timer]

Poor OT isn’t capable of letting facts get in the way of a good unhinged rant. He might have missed his nap time. He was due to show up after a loss to gloat. If only Ryles had been our coach, he whispers like it’s a rosary………
While OT’s correct that we were unbelievably stupid and that was indeed a contributing factor to the loss - a thing that pretty much all of us agree on - to say that missed goal kicks (one of which was relatively simple for most top flight kickers) weren’t the objective reason we lost the game is daft. We lost several games because of Zac’s poor kicking in ’23, now Holmes is doing the same in ‘25.
OT also seems quite happy to ignore that poor officiating also had a genuine impact on the flow and momentum of the game, something our coach referenced during the press conference as all of those decisions contributed to fatigue, and our mob isn’t capable of thinking clearly under fatigue.
Now if OT had come out and said something like we lost because of a combination of our unbelievable stupidity, poor goal kicking and some questionable officiating, he might have more credibility……but that doesn’t suit his narrative.

FFS how do you deduce my post is a gloat after a loss?

I merely pointed out we are dumb side coached in a dumb manner and our dumbness always costs us.

You said emphatically we lost because we missed 2 conversions and are happy to put that square on Val’s shoulders and you made no mention of their penalty goal off our dumb mistake and evidently that was ok not to do that.

But when I say we lost because they kicked a penalty goal we gifted them that’s not ok and it’s all Val’s fault.

We gifted them 2 right on half time and that IMO ultimately proved the difference.

S F basically dumped on Val and that IMO is not the behaviour of a good coach.

He should be saying yes missing conversions hurts but doing dumb shit things in every game hurts us even more and is what is the major contributing factor in our close losses especially when we score more tries than them.

He should also say that his son is a contributing factor in our close losses due to his total inability to lead from the front, his shit kicking game, his predictable dish off to the edge backrower turning him inside and slow speed and hands.

Evidently that’s got nothing to do with it and Val just needs to practise more.

FMD they took their FG attempt with plenty of time still on the clock did we?

We learnt nothing from our previous close losses and that’s why we lost.

 

[sammymills]

Because the game is getting so close from winning or losing a game, should they implement 1 point gain for a loss by less than 3 points and if you lose by more than 30 points you have a point deducted,
So in St George's case they would have an additional 3 points

i dont know why we dont do bonus points like they do in Rugby. It encourages a team to keep working even if they are down, and ultimately makes for a better spectacle. I dont think they would need a 4 try bonus point as teams in league dont typically try and kick their way to victory off the boot, but maybe 3 points a win, 2 for a draw and 1 for a loss by 6 or less.

 

[dragon thomo]

I agree the results are crap but even if we decide to let Flannigan go no one who has experience wants to come to us. As i said our board and owners are a rabble. We are blooding young players at the moment and hopefully if we can recruit a dominant front row leader and a half back.

 

[Slippery Morris]

Just say Flanno does get sacked, which coaches would honestly put their hands up? The only ones I feel will be Young and Hornby. Nobody else. Maybe Demitriou which I would go for out of the 3. All other up and comers would probably steer clear.

Unless Saints had a good one lined up I would only sack Flanno, but now when there are poor options.

If I was to go any coach at the moment that is available it would be Willie Peters. He is killing it in England just like Madge and Robbo did before they hit the NRL an d won a comp. He seems to be a really good coach and the best of the lot in the UK. He has got Hull KR firing.

 

[hook hook]

Just say Flanno does get sacked, which coaches would honestly put their hands up? The only ones I feel will be Young and Hornby. Nobody else. Maybe Demitriou which I would go for out of the 3. All other up and comers would probably steer clear.

Unless Saints had a good one lined up I would only sack Flanno, but now when there are poor options.

If I was to go any coach at the moment that is available it would be Willie Peters. He is killing it in England just like Madge and Robbo did before they hit the NRL an d won a comp. He seems to be a really good coach and the best of the lot in the UK. He has got Hull KR firing.

Definitely Hornby over young. He’s had way better tutelage

 

[Mojo]

I thought I'd throw this in here.

Picking up on a post by DragonSlayer in 2019 and updating a little. These are averages during each coach's tenure.

The standout is the defence in the Bennett years.

I'll leave it to others to analyse otherwise.

	For	Against	Differential	Position
Waite / Farrer	614​	547​	67​	7​
Brown	546​	481​	65​	7​
Bennett	516​	323​	193​	2​
Price	392​	484​	-92​	12​
McGregor	454​	495​	-41​	10​
McGreggor / Young	378​	452​	-74​	12​
Griffin	472​	593​	-121​	11​
Griffin / Carr	474​	673​	-199​	16​
Flanagan	508​	624​	-116​	11​
Average	484​	519​	-35​	10​

 

[I'm Hornby]

I agree the results are crap but even if we decide to let Flannigan go no one who has experience wants to come to us. As i said our board and owners are a rabble. We are blooding young players at the moment and hopefully if we can recruit a dominant front row leader and a half back.

So you reckon we just tolerate piss poor results until someone you consider worthy comes along do you?

This coach and the last coach were both 'experienced' coaches and hasn't worked, experienced coaches who haven't coached in the 2020s era aren't the answer.

We should take a punt on a promising assistant who has done their apprenticeship in the mould of an Aaron Bellamy, Ben Gardiner, Peter Wallace, Josh Hannay, Matt King et al.
We should approach someone like these above first and ask them what it would take to get them across. If they want a head of recruitment, find one, if they want a proper pathways director, find one, if they want a coaching director find one. Whatever it takes to get a promising young coach who has done their apprenticeship across and someone that we can build a competitive team and a top tier front office set up around.

The people above would all know what successful systems look like and would be able to tell us what's needed and unfortunately for us, this isn't going to come from Flanagan who already sold out any of this to get this gig and our BOD have NFI what a successful set up would look like, they need to hear it from an external coaching applicant for it to mean anything to them.

This is how we get the changes at all levels of the club for long term success.

 

[Dorothy the Winowhore]

So you reckon we just tolerate piss poor results until someone you consider worthy comes along do you?

This coach and the last coach were both 'experienced' coaches and hasn't worked, experienced coaches who haven't coached in the 2020s era aren't the answer.

We should take a punt on a promising assistant who has done their apprenticeship in the mould of an Aaron Bellamy, Ben Gardiner, Peter Wallace, Josh Hannay, Matt King et al.
We should approach someone like these above first and ask them what it would take to get them across. If they want a head of recruitment, find one, if they want a proper pathways director, find one, if they want a coaching director find one. Whatever it takes to get a promising young coach who has done their apprenticeship across and someone that we can build a competitive team and a top tier front office set up around.

The people above would all know what successful systems look like and would be able to tell us what's needed and unfortunately for us, this isn't going to come from Flanagan who already sold out any of this to get this gig and our BOD have NFI what a successful set up would look like, they need to hear it from an external coaching applicant for it to mean anything to them.

This is how we get the changes at all levels of the club for long term success.

Let me guess....in your perfect world, the board is going to bend over for him, and give him everything he asks for. In reality, they won't....they should, but they won't. They would simply turn him away and appoint a puppet.

 

[mattw5]

How about the club just backs Flanagan long term & give him the time he requires to turn things around.

There is not one available coach at the moment I would take over him.

 

[I'm Hornby]

Let me guess....in your perfect world, the board is going to bend over for him, and give him everything he asks for. In reality, they won't....they should, but they won't. The would simply turn him away and appoint a puppet.

Supporters can play a part by not supporting any coaches/potential coaches who don't demand these changes.

Most were supportive of Ryles demanding these changes when he was being courted and they soon forgot this when Flanagan was appointed and didn't demand the same things.

 

[Hound of Dracula]

All I know and understand is a new coach = another rebuild phase

Another few years!
Farkkkk!

I've had enough of another few years, and would prefer to back the incumbent!
Yes, an extension should involve some hard examination of perceived nepotism however, currently their is no absolute standout better option for Kyle.
Even with Atkinson - Kyle is in the mix on his, bare minimum, equal talent alone.

We all had a go at our recruitment regarding forwards, but perhaps Flanno especially banked on his youth to fill the void.. We all are seeing the dividends in our youth.
It can only get better!

Coach deserves an extension

P.S. Truthfully, if Kyle is planned as a future 14 & means we lose Liddle - I will be pissed!

 

[Dorothy the Winowhore]

Supporters can play a part by not supporting any coaches/potential coaches who don't demand these changes.

Most were supportive of Ryles demanding these changes when he was being courted and they soon forgot this when Flanagan was appointed and didn't demand the same things.

So how is your non support of Shane Flanagan helping the club, if that is you playing your part?

 

[mattw5]

So how is your non support of Shane Flanagan helping the club, if that is you playing your part?

Don’t even try to make sense of what he says he’s a deadset goose.