Sack mcgregor

[Dragonslayer]

Havent read through the last few pages, but from where I stand @Old Timer 's post regarding us v lesser opposition is a real measuring tool. How many years have we sat at the top of table mid stream, then capitulated and fumbled to sides out of the 8, with nothing to play for.

Losing to Penrith, as hard as it was , isnt shameful. Maybe we learn from that game. Losing to the likes of the Dogs, Newcastle etc would be a huge step backwards.

Like I have said on several threads, making the 8 is no gauge this year in regard to Mary's job. Its top 4 or out.

Its not like he has had 1-2 seasons... This is season 5.

100% correct.
The Storm lost games last year, and the Cows lost plenty, but they won when it mattered.
To nog have a history repeat, we will need to put away the lesser ranked teams like the Dogs and Eels convincingly, then good wins against the Knights, Raiders and Manly.
These are the games kast year where we fell at the final hurdle. Whilst making the finals this year appears to he a fait-accompli its how we arrive into September thats the more important aspect.

 

[Old Kogarah Boy 1]

View attachment 20455 This is now how I picture OV. I like it.

What .............. Pale skin & blond hair?

 

[ouryears]

100% correct.
The Storm lost games last year, and the Cows lost plenty, but they won when it mattered.
To nog have a history repeat, we will need to put away the lesser ranked teams like the Dogs and Eels convincingly, then good wins against the Knights, Raiders and Manly.
These are the games kast year where we fell at the final hurdle. Whilst making the finals this year appears to he a fait-accompli its how we arrive into September thats the more important aspect.

Buddy, it's not a fait accompli.
We are quite capable of screwing it up again.

We should get there....but nothing much is certain.

Ask Mary.

 

[True_Believer]

And perhaps surprisingly an equally attractive wife.

Straight Shooter

This comment may just have turned my opinion of you!!!

 

[True_Believer]

EVERY coach talks about tries from kicks. It's a way of praising the goal line defense, they have to resort to kicks to score. Ive heard Bellamy, Flanno, all of them use this.
"He blamed the field for being 3 metres long" Rubbish. You read the forum too much. He was merely saying how close but how far we were to getting across the try line.
Look I don't think McGregor is a great coach. He is way too conservative. The fact that he won't drop underperforming players frustrates me. His use of the bench baffles me. He isn't an inspiring public speaker. I think that there are muvh better coaches than him.
BUT, the hysteria and hatred that gets thrown around on here is a joke.
Its round 13 in 2018 and we are looking to be in a good position.
He is our coach and isn't going anywhere nor should he at this present moment.
I will be holding off on my sack the coach rage for a little while.
But you go ahead and rip in now.
You might look silly though when/if we win the comp this year.

I think you would find it extremely difficult to find anyone on this forum that believes Mary is our best option. We all would jump at the opportunity to get someone like Bellamy at the club or any of the other better performing coaches and we are all in agreement that there is still a lot of room for improvement. However, as you say, he is our coach and he isn't going anywhere - at least not in the very short term. You are right, he's not a great speaker and he does say some questionable things (I wish he would stop talking about "D") but I think you need to look past that sort of crap. It's about performance on the field - that's all that really counts in the end. And at the moment, we are travelling OK. That doesn't mean we can't improve any further (bench usage etc), but I believe we do need to acknowledge the work done so far. Players and coaching staff do need to take some credit for where we sit at the half way point.

I think people around here are so focussed on their hatred of Mary (or at least his coaching ability) that they tend to look to blame every single thing on him - and look for faults where there are none or at least there is no consequence as a result of something he's done or said. Not only that, many of the comments are based solely on what we see. There's so much more going on behind that scenes that we aren't privy to.

I can understand the desire to improve on those areas that we are deficient in. That makes sense. However some of the things and subsequent justifications for the finger pointing are either pure fantasy or so weak that they are laughable. It's about perspective.​

 

[rednwhites]

I think you would find it extremely difficult to find anyone on this forum that believes Mary is our best option. We all would jump at the opportunity to get someone like Bellamy at the club or any of the other better performing coaches and we are all in agreement that there is still a lot of room for improvement. However, as you say, he is our coach and he isn't going anywhere - at least not in the very short term. You are right, he's not a great speaker and he does say some questionable things (I wish he would stop talking about "D") but I think you need to look past that sort of crap. It's about performance on the field - that's all that really counts in the end. And at the moment, we are travelling OK. That doesn't mean we can't improve any further (bench usage etc), but I believe we do need to acknowledge the work done so far. Players and coaching staff do need to take some credit for where we sit at the half way point.

I think people around here are so focussed on their hatred of Mary (or at least his coaching ability) that they tend to look to blame every single thing on him - and look for faults where there are none or at least there is no consequence as a result of something he's done or said. Not only that, many of the comments are based solely on what we see. There's so much more going on behind that scenes that we aren't privy to.

I can understand the desire to improve on those areas that we are deficient in. That makes sense. However some of the things and subsequent justifications for the finger pointing are either pure fantasy or so weak that they are laughable. It's about perspective.​

A very reasonable few statements there. I have to say I agree, but there is more than bench usage that he can improve e.g. having a plan B for injuries just to name one.

 

[LINESPEED]

Claiming credit for improvement at the mid point of the year is not realistic as we have gone OK in that part of the season for the last 3 years.
We have beaten our fair share of good quality sides which we have also done previously.
In all honesty improvement can only be truly measured after we play the weaker teams that we have lost to a pivotal moments in seasons past.
Only at the conclusion of all of that will we see / understand any substantive level of improvement.
If we lose key games to shit sides (no doubt to be talked up at a later date) then any improvement people consider worthy of crowing about to this point of the season will have been pissed up against the wall.
If that is the case then one needs to consider did we truly improve in the 1st part of the season at all or was our trumpeting of early season success just simply because other teams were crappier at the beginning of the season then we were but when they got their shit together they left us behind in their wake.
Still a long way to go for either side of the argument.

HUNT

(the elephant in the room in all this chatter??)

 

[2010]

Mary had done a good job to date but we need a coach to take our team to the next level.
Our club needs a coach to adapt a plan to counter burn out.
The bench has been an issue with our coach. Mary gets an F for that.
Our juniors need to managed for their transition to possibley being ready for first grade.

 

[Objective View]

12/12 wins losses is an improvement over 7/17. Not good enough of course but improvement nonetheless.
Plenty left to go this year I agree, but judging so far it’s been extremely successful. We’ve been one of the top 2/3 teams over that period in front of plenty of teams with as good and better rosters. That may change - it also might not. I’m probably 80%+ confident we’ll end the season in the top 4, and would regard it as very poor if we don’t make it there.

Damo, it will be hard to miss out on the top 4 from here (although we thought the same in previous years). What would you say if we made the top 4 but didn't win a semi final match? How would you rate Mary's abilities?

Straight Shooter

 

[Objective View]

Like I have said on several threads, making the 8 is no gauge this year in regard to Mary's job. Its top 4 or out.

I don't think you can measure it that way. Even top 4 means nothing if we get bundled out in straight sets.

Straight Shooter

 

[Crush]

I don't think you can measure it that way. Even top 4 means nothing if we get bundled out in straight sets.

Straight Shooter

Top 4 means something. It means we have had a much better season. A massive improvement on previous seasons.
No? Accepting mediocrity?
There are levels and layers to success you know. It's not premiership or failure you know......
You know???

 

[Alec's-saints]

if we make the top 4 we will feature in the big dance.

 

[Old Timer]

Top 4 means something. It means we have had a much better season. A massive improvement on previous seasons.
No? Accepting mediocrity?
There are levels and layers to success you know. It's not premiership or failure you know......
You know???

If we finish top 4 and get bundled out in straight sets it means yet again we are losing to teams below us on the ladder which I also consider a failure especially at the business end of the season.
If that was to happen rather than rejoicing that we finished higher than last years failed season we should be taking affirmative action to ensure we have the best people to arrest the inherent problem of not performing against teams that we should be beating on a very regular basis.
The acceptance of the argument we finished higher than we did last year is flawed if you are being routed by teams that are below you on the ladder and your piers consistently put to the sword.
Other than the Cowboys last year the simple fact is the bottom teams in the 8 don't play in the GF because the teams above them at seasons end have the better of them so for us to lose to them would be a reinforcing sign that when it counts "you know who" can't deliver.
Coach fails, team fails.

 

[Frank Facer]

If we finish top 4 and get bundled out in straight sets it means yet again we are losing to teams below us on the ladder which I also consider a failure especially at the business end of the season.
If that was to happen rather than rejoicing that we finished higher than last years failed season we should be taking affirmative action to ensure we have the best people to arrest the inherent problem of not performing against teams that we should be beating on a very regular basis.
The acceptance of the argument we finished higher than we did last year is flawed if you are being routed by teams that are below you on the ladder and your piers consistently put to the sword.
Other than the Cowboys last year the simple fact is the bottom teams in the 8 don't play in the GF because the teams above them at seasons end have the better of them so for us to lose to them would be a reinforcing sign that when it counts "you know who" can't deliver.
Coach fails, team fails.

Didn't you have us missing the top 8 at the start of the season? If so, then making the top 4 would have to be over achieving in your eyes, wouldn't it? lol

 

[Crush]

If we finish top 4 and get bundled out in straight sets it means yet again we are losing to teams below us on the ladder which I also consider a failure especially at the business end of the season.
If that was to happen rather than rejoicing that we finished higher than last years failed season we should be taking affirmative action to ensure we have the best people to arrest the inherent problem of not performing against teams that we should be beating on a very regular basis.
The acceptance of the argument we finished higher than we did last year is flawed if you are being routed by teams that are below you on the ladder and your piers consistently put to the sword.
Other than the Cowboys last year the simple fact is the bottom teams in the 8 don't play in the GF because the teams above them at seasons end have the better of them so for us to lose to them would be a reinforcing sign that when it counts "you know who" can't deliver.
Coach fails, team fails.

OoooooK
So you are a premiership or its a failure kinda guy, got it.

 

[Objective View]

Top 4 means something. It means we have had a much better season. A massive improvement on previous seasons.
No? Accepting mediocrity?
There are levels and layers to success you know. It's not premiership or failure you know......
You know???

I said top 4 means nothing if we get bundled out in straight sets.

1 semi final win makes for a reasonable season, 2 wins a success (simply because we have dopey as coach otherwise I'd aim higher).

BTW, I think it would be so much fun to actually meet some of you guys/gals at a match. I'm guessing we'd get along like a house on fire. Especially with you, Crush.

Mr Keaton.

 

[to_ddeath]

OoooooK
So you are a premiership or its a failure kinda guy, got it.

Winning 2 finals games would be something to crow about... finishing top 4 would have you in the final 4 if you played well enough. Could cop that.

 

[ouryears]

OoooooK
So you are a premiership or its a failure kinda guy, got it.

Got to make the top 4 and not go out in straight sets, preferably win both and get into the GF.

If we go out in straight sets, the season is a failure, based on our side, Mary's 4th or 5th year isn't it....and what fair expectations are.

 

[MilanDragon]

Didn't you have us missing the top 8 at the start of the season? If so, then making the top 4 would have to be over achieving in your eyes, wouldn't it? lol

I actually think he said top 6.

But now that we are travelling better it’s no longer a successful season unless we win 1-2 semis matches.

If we finish top 4 and win 2 finals matches it means we are playing in the GF. If we win 1 finals match it means we are playing pre-lik final. To me that’s a successful season.

To me personally I said top 6 at start of season with attractive footy. We are on track for that. While if we finish top 6 I’d say he achieved the goal I set for him I’d be frustrated as we have started so well and don’t want to see a decline in our results and basically unfulfilled potential.

 

[Coffs dragon]

Who's the peanut that let Damien Cook depart the Cutters in 2013 to keep Mitch Rein safe & secure? Was it Mary or Minibus Price or a combination. Great foresight NOT!