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getsmarty

Immortal
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Mate stop scaring me Nightmare ....

It's the reality of the situation...Doust talked about the "NFL" type set up...coach comes in and slots in with the people already in their positions

Translation...Jobs for the boys are set ...its like public service...Coach cannot bring in his own outside structure...I cannot see how this can be undone unless someone buys the club out a puts a broom through the place.

P.S the reality is we need someone like a Phil Gould to come in and clean up the mess and in all honesty we are not traveling badly so its just not going to happen. We would need to be at the bottom of the ladder for a few years in a row. We will surely be playing finals football this year and regardless of the outcome this will be considered a success by the Board.
 

ozbuck

Juniors
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464
I don't need to listen in on the conversations.
I have eyes, you can see the poor attitude and preparation every time they run onto the feild against weaker teams and the results show it.
They only started playing football in the last ten minuites against the Tigers, they were woeful for the first 70.

How many times this year have we let in the first try?
How many games have we scraped a win with individual brilliance getting us out of jail against terrible football teams?
How many times have we all said "we should put 50 on them" only to lose, or just win in the dying seconds?

It's poor preparation and attitude, that comes from the top down.

Why did the Dragons only start playing football in the last 10 minutes? Where did that come from?

Just answer me that.
 

ozbuck

Juniors
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464
Rose coloured glasses?
We fell apart in 2011 due to Bennett having one foot out the door, ageing players having already won thier premiership and a roster all wondering who Uncle Wayno would take to Newcastke with him.

Right now we have the "roster Mary wants" and no more excuses, but all we ever get are excuses.
4 1/2 years of the same rubbish game plans that work for the first 10-15 rounds until teams do thier homework, a term foreign to Mary, and work out how to beat us.
Then when we start losing we get the same "cut, paste, repeat" from out "coach"

No excuses. Coaches are there to get results. If he was a good coach all those issues you mentioned he would have dealt with. Maybe he did, but maybe the players weren't pulling their weight.

You can lead a horse to water...

The Dogs, Parra, and the Tigers didn't look like they did any homework. They werent impressive at all. Yet we beat two of them. It isnt so much the opposition, it is US. and US is not only the coach. BROADEN YOUR PERSPECTIVE. If you think the coaches head needs to roll because we lost yesterday than 75% of the players heads need to roll too...because they surely couldve brought more energy to the whole 80mins. If THE PLAYERS had brought energy from the last 10mins into the whole game, well different story.
 

st penguin

Juniors
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293
Why did the Dragons only start playing football in the last 10 minutes? Where did that come from?

Just answer me that.

I think it was Andrew Johns who pointed it out...no one was supporting the ball carrier. They were all standing around waiting for someone to make a break. That's just effort, right?

It's not like the forwards weren't getting the offloads away as well.

I think Joey specifically called out Dufty for not getting more involved.
 

ozbuck

Juniors
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464
I think it was Andrew Johns who pointed it out...no one was supporting the ball carrier. They were all standing around waiting for someone to make a break. That's just effort, right?

It's not like the forwards weren't getting the offloads away as well.

I think Joey specifically called out Dufty for not getting more involved.

Yeh its effort. Effort comes from attitude and mindset.

So where did that change of attitude and mindset come from in the last 10mins?
 
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Why did the Dragons only start playing football in the last 10 minutes? Where did that come from?

Just answer me that.
Because, like always, Mary injected some fresh legs and spark into the game in the form of Luch, spark and fresh legs and ideas that were sorely needed before the 70th minute when the game was already gone.

The moment for me was when the Dragons put up a kick, which was touched by the Tigers, so six again, and Widdop tunnels a ridiculous ball out the back and looses possession on what was tackle zero.
That to me showed a mindset that suggests Mary had not drummed into them that this was not going to be an easy game they had to work hard to win it.

They went out there with a touch footy attitude and assumed the Tigers would fold, which is what they always do against weak opposition.
A good coach would have seen this, like we all do, and fixed that piss poor attitude.
 
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It is all about attitude

The players reflect the attitude of the coach

The players were not hyped up for this game despite the fact that the team was towelled up in the last 15 minutes by Melbourne.

I understand the players will go through periods of being mentally flat.

Most of our Rep players are experiencing the effects of SOO for the first time.

We lacked urgency for most of the match. It may take a few games for all the SOO boys to get back in the groove.

It is up to the coaching staff to manage the players.

Keep the faith boys, the opera is far from over.

In the meantime Mary, take that stupid smug look off your face and give yourself an uppercut.
 

ozbuck

Juniors
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Players....

Exactly.

Im sure we can agree that Mary didnt put a call down to the ground to say 'boys, lift the intensity'. THE PLAYERS did it! Why do I say this, because people are putting 100% of the blame on Mary for this. Its just not accurate and its immature. I'm all for CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM ...thats how teams, people, families, companies, you, me, etc grow. I've said many times there are some things about the coaching of mary this year that I havent liked.

But this blame on Mary that he is the sole reason why the players arent playing with the gusto they could is BS. The players showed it in the last 10mins. When you beat the Dogs and the Eels but play 75% of your best effort AND STILL WIN it can start to make you think that can just get by on taking it easy. And lets be honest, it nearly happened again yesterday.

The boys realised that they were going to get beaten for sure if they didnt amp things up. Their INTERNAL motivation shifted because THEY didnt like how the reality of losing this game felt. Mary didnt do a thing. The players motivation earlier this year was all there to see, and that momentumn of motivation carried through.

Mary has got to do his part on this absolutely 100%. I have no doubt he is playing his part with motivation pretty well. The players have to hold their end of the bargain 100% too... Do i doubt they are? Absolutely. What they did in the last 10mins of the game when they are the most exhausted, they could have done from the beginning. Just look at Vs Storm at Kogarah this year.
 

ozbuck

Juniors
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464
It is all about attitude

The players reflect the attitude of the coach

The players were not hyped up for this game despite the fact that the team was towelled up in the last 15 minutes by Melbourne.

I understand the players will go through periods of being mentally flat.

Most of our Rep players are experiencing the effects of SOO for the first time.

We lacked urgency for most of the match. It may take a few games for all the SOO boys to get back in the groove.

It is up to the coaching staff to manage the players.

Keep the faith boys, the opera is far from over.

In the meantime Mary, take that stupid smug look off your face and give yourself an uppercut.

Read my post above.
 

ozbuck

Juniors
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464
Actual photo of ozbuck right now:
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Good one Benny V. Good to see you like pictures of a man hands

So, ummm, whats your argument there buddy boy
 

Life's Good

Coach
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Biggest mistake has been us not resting players. Storm game and Tigers should have been seen all Rep players rested. Souths, Panthers, Storm & Roosters all did that. Not sure why we could not have done the same.

Because the coach has no confidence in our back up players. Its all well and good to select Lomax, Robson, Leilua etc. but to then give them limited minutes shows he doesn't trust them. That then knocks their confidence as well as being poor preparation for when they are really needed(like when we are in a slump). Further, it means players like Aitken, Lafai & Nighty aren't looking over their shoulder and become a little too comfortable with a virtual guaranteed selection.
 

blacksafake

First Grade
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Rose coloured glasses?
We fell apart in 2011 due to Bennett having one foot out the door, ageing players having already won thier premiership and a roster all wondering who Uncle Wayno would take to Newcastke with him.

Right now we have the "roster Mary wants" and no more excuses, but all we ever get are excuses.
4 1/2 years of the same rubbish game plans that work for the first 10-15 rounds until teams do thier homework, a term foreign to Mary, and work out how to beat us.
Then when we start losing we get the same "cut, paste, repeat" from out "coach"
Where is the applause button
 

BennyV

Referee
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Good one Benny V. Good to see you like pictures of a man hands

So, ummm, whats your argument there buddy boy
It's someone clutching at straws, oz! Although its a shame (but not at all surprising) that is was completely lost on this forum.

I know there's been comments made in jest about you being related to McGregor, but come on man, the lengths you are trying to go to in order to avoid giving him any responsibility for his inability as a first grade coach are almost of par with the excuses he consistently rolls out to justify the poor performance of the team he 'leads'.
 

ozbuck

Juniors
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It's someone clutching at straws, oz! Although its a shame (but not at all surprising) that is was completely lost on this forum.

I know there's been comments made in jest about you being related to McGregor, but come on man, the lengths you are trying to go to in order to avoid giving him any responsibility for his inability as a first grade coach are almost of par with the excuses he consistently rolls out to justify the poor performance of the team he 'leads'.

Please, read my posts. I've said that I don't agree with everything he does as a coach. I'll say it again:

I don't agree with all choices Mary has done as a coach which reflects his overall ability in my perspective.

I'm not related to Mary, I dont have any secret affiliation at all, if Bellamy or Green were available I would say go after them for sure.

Here is my main point:

When we win, Mary gets hardly any praise at all and the players get 90-95% of the credit. When we lose, Mary gets 90-95% of the blame.

That my friend is one screwed up way of giving an honest, balanced, and mature analysis of a team's performance on any given day. Mary is blamed for all the bad things that happen, he is hardly ever blamed for all the good things that happen.

What are your thoughts about that?
 

BennyV

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Please, read my posts. I've said that I don't agree with everything he does as a coach. I'll say it again:

I don't agree with all choices Mary has done as a coach which reflects his overall ability in my perspective.

I'm not related to Mary, I dont have any secret affiliation at all, if Bellamy or Green were available I would say go after them for sure.

Here is my main point:

When we win, Mary gets hardly any praise at all and the players get 90-95% of the credit. When we lose, Mary gets 90-95% of the blame.

That my friend is one screwed up way of giving an honest, balanced, and mature analysis of a team's performance on any given day. Mary is blamed for all the bad things that happen, he is hardly ever blamed for all the good things that happen.

What are your thoughts about that?
My thoughts is that it is, for the most part, completely justified. If we played the exact same game every week, against the same opposition, then maybe it would be valid. But we dont, and its not.

There's a handful of games this year that I could directly attribute to Mary. Melbourne at Kogarah is one, he got the team primed and pumped. Titans was another. And likewise, I dont necessarily blame him completely for the losses; for example, while I can attribute the fact that we lost to Melbourne to his failures in selection and bench rotation, i dont blame him for the fact that we conceded 50.

And so on.

But you make out like the coach and players are equals. They arent. They should share a mutual respect but the coach is the f**king leader. He is the boss. He is responsible for getting the best out of his team and he is completely accountable for their failures. Part of this is strategy and tactics, where Mary falls down miserably. Part of this is motivation, where Mary falls down partially. And part of this is season-long management of the team and performance, where in the past he has proven to struggle.

What I attribute our early season form to this year is the work of Mary's support staff and, by extension, the players. I've struggled to see any sort of strategy or tactics that contribute to our success. What I've seen is a primed, intense team in peak physical conditioning (thanks to the conditioning staff) come firing out of the blocks and blow teams off the park while they are figuring out their own patterns and strategies. I've seen individual brilliance by players not sticking to a specific game plan that have pulled wins out of losses. And I've seen other teams who've countered our game plan absolutely destroy us because our coach is unable to recognise a deficiency and adapt to it.

On top of that, Mary has been absolutely kissed on the dick with some of his players this year and it can be attributed heavily to recruitment and retention. Matt Dufty, for his defensive issues, has proven the ability to sniff a try and has saved Mary from looking far worse than he does several times - not through particular game plans, purely through his own ability. The intensity and ferocity of the back row (who all showed this ability before Mary got their hands on him) is out of this world. And we have exceptional on field leadership from James Graham who has ensured that we arent clocking off in the late stage of the game. Sure, Mary deserves a bit of credit for picking these guys (cause like, he had so many choices) but all these, not directly coaching, contribute heavily to success.

Comments like 'Mary's not the one dropping balls out there' and so on show a sever lack of understanding of the actual role of the first grade coach. In truth, while IMO we are overachieving this year thus far, we have a very good set of cattle and that has been proven throughout the year. The reason we consistently drop off as the year goes on (and why many are predicting the same this year) is that the coach doesnt have the actual coaching ability (motivation, game tactics and season strategy) to maintain that success.
 

71saintsimon

Juniors
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174
Worst coach in the history of st george I've been saying this ever since he took over from price the guy has no idea hasn't got the courage for new ideas shows no faith in the juniors week after week year after year his policy has been old over the hill players or slow boring dower players has no clue about resting players recharging there batteries proper bench rotation his continued picking the same old same old backline turtles Lafia nightingale and last year josh mcrone is a sign his got no ideas and no courage his preparation yesterday was for all to see lethargic slow and lazy body language was terrible and to have your captain running out with that look was disgraceful beter stil the way the captain plays sometimes his kicks and passes with a hope for the best result is a sign the master coach is real happy with this. nothing ever wil change while this coaching regime is in place only mediocre results such as yesterday losing to the cats on your home soil that was beyond embarrassing fall over wins against dogs eels the writing was on the wall
 

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