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Salary cap vital to NRL: Gallop

gong_eagle

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Salary cap vital to NRL: Gallop

By Steve Jancetic
July 29, 2008http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,24097771-23214,00.html

NRL chief executive David Gallop maintained the salary cap was a fundamental part of the game amid reports Sonny Bill Williams' legal team was preparing to challenge its validity in court.
In the latest twist in Williams' bid to escape a five-year contract with the Bulldogs so as to sign with French rugby union club Toulon, the $4.1 million salary cap by which all NRL clubs abide has come under scrutiny.

It is believed Williams' lawyers will claim that their client's deal with the Bulldogs is invalid because the salary cap was a restraint of trade.

Williams is still trapped in London today as he awaited a visa to enter France, but it is believed he would start making his way to the French riviera some time tonight.

Gallop said the NRL would not survive without the salary cap.

"It's a foundation stone of the competition and if we were to have a competition without the salary cap, a competition based on pure purchasing power, then a few of our clubs, a small number, would be in a position to buy the best players," Gallop said.

"We would have a lopsided competition and ultimately clubs would be under financial pressure to survive."

And he received unanimous support from club chief executives.

"Without the salary cap most NSW clubs won't survive," Parramatta boss Denis Fitzgerald said.

South Sydney CEO Shane Richardson, who was also present at a scheduled meeting of club bosses in Sydney, said he was confident the salary cap would stand up in court.

"Players sign freely knowing there's a cap in place," Richardson said.

"They have a choice not to sign. The restraint of trade argument is a bit of a tawdry one, under the circumstances."

Sports law expert Deborah Healey, a senior lecturer at the University of NSW, said Williams' legal team would need to prove the salary cap was an unreasonable restraint of trade.

This would be dependant on a number of factors, including just how much income was generated by the game.

"Restraints of trade are only okay if they are considered reasonable in all of the circumstances," Healey said.

"They would be arguing that the parts that make up the salary cap are in restraint of trade because they go further than is necessary to protect the interests of the NRL."

Gallop denied players were being denied earning a fair income, adding the NRL and the Bulldogs had received unilateral support from club bosses for seeking an injunction against Williams.

"The salary cap is at a level of affordability and that was the clear message from our clubs today," Gallop said.

"It's not the case that there are large amounts of cash out there that could be paid to players if the salary cap was removed.

"It's set at a level that most of our clubs can afford."

Healey said claims a decision against the NRL salary cap would have an immediate effect of caps in other codes were incorrect.

"A decision in respect to the NRL salary cap would not mean that there was a legal problem with all salary caps," she said.

"Each cap would need to be considered in relation to its own individual circumstances."

Williams' confidant Anthony Mundine, in Newcastle this week’s super middleweight bout, took time out from his preparations to weigh into the debate.

Mundine and Williams are close, with the former St George star reportedly driving Williams to the airport as he began his great escape on Saturday.

"There should be no salary cap, there's no salary cap to the workers, plumbers, carpenters and builders," he said.

"The game is making millions of dollars from their names. So where is the loyalty from the NRL to the players? There is no loyalty."

Bulldogs chief executive Todd Greenberg said he had yet to receive a reply after writing to both Toulon and the French Rugby Federation in a bid to ward them off inducing Williams to break his deal with the Bulldogs.

AAP
 

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Salary cap vital to NRL: Gallop

By Steve Jancetic
July 29, 2008http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,24097771-23214,00.html

NRL chief executive David Gallop maintained the salary cap was a fundamental part of the game amid reports Sonny Bill Williams' legal team was preparing to challenge its validity in court.
In the latest twist in Williams' bid to escape a five-year contract with the Bulldogs so as to sign with French rugby union club Toulon, the $4.1 million salary cap by which all NRL clubs abide has come under scrutiny.

It is believed Williams' lawyers will claim that their client's deal with the Bulldogs is invalid because the salary cap was a restraint of trade.

Williams is still trapped in London today as he awaited a visa to enter France, but it is believed he would start making his way to the French riviera some time tonight.

Gallop said the NRL would not survive without the salary cap.

"It's a foundation stone of the competition and if we were to have a competition without the salary cap, a competition based on pure purchasing power, then a few of our clubs, a small number, would be in a position to buy the best players," Gallop said.

"We would have a lopsided competition and ultimately clubs would be under financial pressure to survive."

And he received unanimous support from club chief executives.

"Without the salary cap most NSW clubs won't survive," Parramatta boss Denis Fitzgerald said.

South Sydney CEO Shane Richardson, who was also present at a scheduled meeting of club bosses in Sydney, said he was confident the salary cap would stand up in court.

"Players sign freely knowing there's a cap in place," Richardson said.

"They have a choice not to sign. The restraint of trade argument is a bit of a tawdry one, under the circumstances."

Sports law expert Deborah Healey, a senior lecturer at the University of NSW, said Williams' legal team would need to prove the salary cap was an unreasonable restraint of trade.

This would be dependant on a number of factors, including just how much income was generated by the game.

"Restraints of trade are only okay if they are considered reasonable in all of the circumstances," Healey said.

"They would be arguing that the parts that make up the salary cap are in restraint of trade because they go further than is necessary to protect the interests of the NRL."

Gallop denied players were being denied earning a fair income, adding the NRL and the Bulldogs had received unilateral support from club bosses for seeking an injunction against Williams.

"The salary cap is at a level of affordability and that was the clear message from our clubs today," Gallop said.

"It's not the case that there are large amounts of cash out there that could be paid to players if the salary cap was removed.

"It's set at a level that most of our clubs can afford."

Healey said claims a decision against the NRL salary cap would have an immediate effect of caps in other codes were incorrect.

"A decision in respect to the NRL salary cap would not mean that there was a legal problem with all salary caps," she said.

"Each cap would need to be considered in relation to its own individual circumstances."

Williams' confidant Anthony Mundine, in Newcastle this week’s super middleweight bout, took time out from his preparations to weigh into the debate.

Mundine and Williams are close, with the former St George star reportedly driving Williams to the airport as he began his great escape on Saturday.

"There should be no salary cap, there's no salary cap to the workers, plumbers, carpenters and builders," he said.

"The game is making millions of dollars from their names. So where is the loyalty from the NRL to the players? There is no loyalty."


Bulldogs chief executive Todd Greenberg said he had yet to receive a reply after writing to both Toulon and the French Rugby Federation in a bid to ward them off inducing Williams to break his deal with the Bulldogs.

AAP


Just when I thought the bloke couldn't come across any more stupid...
 

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the salary cap has been responsible for a competition which has seen every team in the finals within the last decade & 7 different premiers in 10 years.
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gregstar

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now tell me if anyone other than man u, chelsea or arsenal will win the epl next year.

when was the last club outside these three to win the premier league?
 

BIKER_DRAGON

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now tell me if anyone other than man u, chelsea or arsenal will win the epl next year.

when was the last club outside these three to win the premier league?

Who gives a stuff about pommy soccer

but i say piss off the salary cap now rugby league got on fine without it for 90 odd years. The Dragons won 11 premierships in a row they didn't bring in a salary cap to stop them winning did they. NO. They just brought in a 4 tackle rule.
 

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now tell me if anyone other than man u, chelsea or arsenal will win the epl next year.

when was the last club outside these three to win the premier league?

Still, it is interesting that despite the disparity in the buying power between the clubs, it is still the most popular soccer league in the world, and the fans of the other clubs aren't crying out for a salary cap to even up the chances of their club.
 

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I think that the salary cap itself will stand up in court, but it wouldn't surprise me if the third party payments portion gets ruled against as a restraint of trade. Telling a player that NIKE or Adidas can't sponsor them on their own credentials as a superstar of the game because they also sponsor their club is something that should be allowed.

There has to be a point where natural attrition comes into a club's longevity prospects in the game. A club shouldn't expect to be kept in the game by a generous administration if it requires artificially holding the game as a whole back from it's true commercial potential to do so.
 

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Still, it is interesting that despite the disparity in the buying power between the clubs, it is still the most popular soccer league in the world, and the fans of the other clubs aren't crying out for a salary cap to even up the chances of their club.

Pretty much spot on.

Derby County had more or less 19 home sell outs last season of 30,000 and they are widely regarded as the worst team to ever grace the Premier League, they were getting trounced week in week out.

Speaks volumes doesnt it
 

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Who gives a stuff about pommy soccer

but i say piss off the salary cap now rugby league got on fine without it for 90 odd years. The Dragons won 11 premierships in a row they didn't bring in a salary cap to stop them winning did they. NO. They just brought in a 4 tackle rule.

& how many players during that period could live as professional footballers & not have to work? the financial / business / market forces were not as heavily influential in the code as they are today.

pommy soccer is good indication of what would happen to the nrl should clubs be free to spend as they wish. but unlike the epl, it isn't this nation's number 1 winter code. it doesn't have the same financial market to draw from & as such we'd be reduced to a small first grade comp at the expense of how many supporters & juniors? ultimately the lack of a cap would severely alter the league & i don't think for the better.
 

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Cap challenge will fail, says lawyer

By Robert Grant
July 29, 2008http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,24098118-23214,00.html

ANY challenge by runaway rugby league star Sonny Bill Williams to the NRL's salary cap rules is doomed to failure, according to legal opinion.
With Williams understood to be stranded in London enroute to Paris after walking out on the Bulldogs, his lawyers are preparing to challenge the foundation of the league's regulations.

But a Victorian Bar spokesman in Melbourne said it was unlikely such a bid could succeed.

The deputy chairman of the sports section of the Victorian Bar, Tony Nolan, said courts were more concerned with how reasonable the rules were rather than whether they were technically illegal.

"All restraints are illegal in some sense," Nolan said. "The test is not the illegality, it's the reasonableness of the restraint.

"The AFL has argued for some considerable time that the twin pillars of restraint of trade, together with the salary cap in relation to their draft, have acted to ensure the evenness of the competition."

He said the premise of the AFL and NRL was to keep their competitions even and to ensure the survival of weaker clubs.

Nolan said if Williams were to win an action in court which resulted in the cap being scrapped and players could be paid whatever clubs were prepared to pay them the platform of the sports would collapse.

"His restraint is, I want to cut out the financial provisions so that clubs can sign up whoever they want," Nolan said.

"It would bankrupt half the clubs in rugby league who are in financial trouble already if the player demands increased by two or three or four-fold overnight."

He said the salary cap was not "illegal unless it's unreasonable".

Nolan said technically even a normal contract between an employer and employee was a restraint of trade.


AAP
 

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RL1908 said:
Still, it is interesting that despite the disparity in the buying power between the clubs, it is still the most popular soccer league in the world, and the fans of the other clubs aren't crying out for a salary cap to even up the chances of their club.
victory said:
Pretty much spot on.

Derby County had more or less 19 home sell outs last season of 30,000 and they are widely regarded as the worst team to ever grace the Premier League, they were getting trounced week in week out.

Speaks volumes doesnt it
the premier league is the world's leading soccer comp(?) the nrl is the world's leading rugby league comp.

however one has a massive population & financial market to draw from - the other doesn't.

one comp pretty much rules the roost without serious competition - the other one has three other codes to contend with.

one comp is reduced to having sides who provide players to bigger clubs for transfer fees in the hope of adding more income to their club in the hope of keeping above water or competitive & in turn use whatever power they have to snatch talent from clubs below them.

the staus quo seems to only be challenged if either something like a fairy tale occurs or if a planecrash wipes out a team.
 

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Pretty much spot on.

Derby County had more or less 19 home sell outs last season of 30,000 and they are widely regarded as the worst team to ever grace the Premier League, they were getting trounced week in week out.

Speaks volumes doesnt it
it shows that their admins are probably better than our club admins and they probably have a lot more money to promote games/attendance...

... the other gazillionaire teams also in the same comp help promote the comp also through fame and headlines..
 

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No one will challenge the AFL salary cap - even in the NRL cap is determined unlawful. The AFL cap is the result of a collective bargaining agreement with the AFL players association, and we all know what would become of any AFL player who tried to upset the AFL apple-cart and then failed.
 

RL1908

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the premier league is the world's leading soccer comp(?) the nrl is the world's leading rugby league comp.

however one has a massive population & financial market to draw from - the other doesn't.

one comp pretty much rules the roost without serious competition - the other one has three other codes to contend with.

one comp is reduced to having sides who provide players to bigger clubs for transfer fees in the hope of adding more income to their club in the hope of keeping above water or competitive & in turn use whatever power they have to snatch talent from clubs below them.

the staus quo seems to only be challenged if either something like a fairy tale occurs or if a planecrash wipes out a team.

Don't disagree - I was just pondering what makes it so appealing to the fans of the clubs who clearly have no chance of being in the top few of the table.

They're not demanding equalisation, and seem content to never have a chance at winning the title.

Clearly, a comp like that couldn't have a salary cap - but, equally, there is no desire to have any semblance of competitive parity between each club's chances at the start of the season (unlike the NRL).

Is it because their comp is a sort of "star league" and full of long-time club rivalries?
 

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it shows that their admins are probably better than our club admins and they probably have a lot more money to promote games/attendance...

... the other gazillionaire teams also in the same comp help promote the comp also through fame and headlines..

Yep, thats it :lol:

League fans should take a leaf out of Europeans and Americans when it comes to being active supporters
 

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& how many players during that period could live as professional footballers & not have to work? the financial / business / market forces were not as heavily influential in the code as they are today.

pommy soccer is good indication of what would happen to the nrl should clubs be free to spend as they wish. but unlike the epl, it isn't this nation's number 1 winter code. it doesn't have the same financial market to draw from & as such we'd be reduced to a small first grade comp at the expense of how many supporters & juniors? ultimately the lack of a cap would severely alter the league & i don't think for the better.

well thats your opinion on it and thats how it has been for the last 10 years. But it is time for a change.

The game has become boring

why

1 the cap
2 too slow expansion
3 Neville Nobodies like Gallop in charge

The 20 team comp we had in 1995 leaves what we have today for dead:lol:
 

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now tell me if anyone other than man u, chelsea or arsenal will win the epl next year.

when was the last club outside these three to win the premier league?

Exactly.

There shouldn't be a salary cap.

People who stop watching the game just because their side is highly unlikely to make the finals or win the comp aren't real fans and the game doesn't want them. Real fans watch their team every week even if they get beaten by 100 every match.
 
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