Sam Burgess retires

[Galeforce]

Is anybody else (other than me) suspicious of the timing of this announcement of Burgess' 10year job to recoup his money?

I mean the NRL have been "investigating" a Souffs claim for medical retirement for some weeks, and then all of a sudden this comes out?

To me it seems like Greenburg has been to see Richo and said "You see, we are having a problem with this because you see....Sam has busted this shoulder a number of times before his last contract and it might look bad, how about......."

You are thick.

First , if what you think is happening is true , then I agree with you , it is a rort.

You think , souths are claiming cap relief , because Sam has retired and will no longer be paid according to his contract. And then the Souths job offer is a way to be sneaky and pay Sam and not be counted in salary cap. If this was True , then YES , it is a rort and I agree with you.

However , you missed it , the key points , because you believe some of the other idiots on here.

1) Sam retired due to injury , which has screwed his shoulder. This is documented everywhere.
2) Souths are awaiting for NRL decision on whether the injury allows them Cap relief.This is also documented everywhere. Souths are waiting for CAP decision due to Sam's medical reasons.

GET this point through your thick head.....Souths are still waiting

3) Souths have stated they will pay Sam's contract out, regardless of NRL decision.
4) Souths could pay Sam out with $3.6m .....this is what most people expected.
5) appears there may have legal reasons where Souths did not have to honour the contract in full, I dunno , I can only guess. Anyway there was rumour that payment was not guaranteed recently , which resulted in response from Souths , they they would not be reneging.The upshot is the latest announcement that Sam will get a guaranteed job for 10 years $360k PA , which would get him his full contract over 10 years and also provide him with JOB/training. Seems like a good result to me.

 

[Tiger5150]

Mate , you are confusing a bunch of stories on GI.

Google , why did GI retire.

"Why has Greg Inglis retired?
On 15 April 2019, Inglis announced his immediate retirement from the NRL due to ongoing injury concerns. On 30 August 2019, Inglis was announced at centre in the Queensland Maroons Team of the Decade."

As a Souths fan , clear GI was playing busted in his last year , with knee/ankle injuries , first one then the other.His body could not take his weight and playing style and the years took their toll.
Yes he has also had mental issues and some included dealing with his injury issues and facing retirement.

Look up the facts instead of believing your memory and last media story/or dopey forum comments.

Every old RL player has injury issues, the unfit overweight ones usually the worst. GI booked himself into a mental health facility immediately after retirement. In no way am I belittling this, I genuinely hope he is OK and recovers fully. It is totally irrelevant to my point.

This is my point. GI retired due to either injuries, mental health, couldnt be bothered any more,,its almost irrelevant. Which of the following options happened?
a) He retired and was paid his contract value and that counted on the cap?
b) He was medically retired, got his money and it did not count towards the cap?
c) He retired and said "Oh no its OK, i dont want to get paid, what would I do with $1M anyway...and never got paid and therefore it never went on the cap?...or....
d) He retired and said "Oh no its OK, i dont want to get paid, what would I do with $1M anyway...and got a job with Souffs which pays $1M over the term of the employment despite having no qualifications and it still never went on the cap?.

Once you've worked that out, think about Sam....see a pattern?

 

[kris rebane]

So explain to me.

why does Souths boss guy promise him the money?

there is no obligation if he is not medical retirement. Why condemn your club to no ‘out’ situation?

 

[Tiger5150]

You are thick.

First , if what you think is happening is true , then I agree with you , it is a rort.

You think , souths are claiming cap relief , because Sam has retired and will no longer be paid according to his contract. And then the Souths job offer is a way to be sneaky and pay Sam and not be counted in salary cap. If this was True , then YES , it is a rort and I agree with you.

Glad you agree, its a total rort. If this was all above board, why the need for a 10year job? Why not just pay him? You watch, it will be the same as GI, Sam has foregone his contract money...Are they going to pay him twice?

However , you missed it , the key points , because you believe some of the other idiots on here.

1) Sam retired due to injury , which has screwed his shoulder. This is documented everywhere.

Of course he did, its not in question. He has screwed that shoulder multiple times, before and after his latest contract.....THATS THE POINT!!!!

UNDER THE RULES OF THE NRL....there is no cap exemption for this injury and that is why Souffs are performing this ridiculous charade and it is why its happening now.

2) Souths are awaiting for NRL decision on whether the injury allows them Cap relief.This is also documented everywhere. Souths are waiting for CAP decision due to Sam's medical reasons.

Which UNDER THE RULES OF THE NRL, will not be forthcoming. Now it is my speculation, based on the timing of all of this that Greenberg has given Souffs a little heads up regarding this and this is what has prompted the Souffs 10year job offer.

GET this point through your thick head.....Souths are still waiting

Well apparently they are not waiting, they made Burgess an offer of a job for 10years for coincidentally the same amount as his playing contract. Doesnt sound like waiting to me, or are you suggesting they will pay him twice? Pay his playing contract plus the job?

Did they offer Sutton a 10year job? GI?

3) Souths have stated they will pay Sam's contract out, regardless of NRL decision.

Thats big of them....that also kind of,,,,...the law. You know, Contracts and all that.

4) Souths could pay Sam out with $3.6m .....this is what most people expected.
5) appears there may have legal reasons where Souths did not have to honour the contract in full, I dunno , I can only guess. Anyway there was rumour that payment was not guaranteed recently , which resulted in response from Souths , they they would not be reneging.The upshot is the latest announcement that Sam will get a guaranteed job for 10 years $360k PA , which would get him his full contract over 10 years and also provide him with JOB/training. Seems like a good result to me.

Good result for Souffs, they get to stretch out their cashflow and rort the cap. I wonder how Burgess feels about having to wait 10 years for his 3y contract money?

 

[Tiger5150]

So explain to me.

why does Souths boss guy promise him the money?

there is no obligation if he is not medical retirement. Why condemn your club to no ‘out’ situation?

Souths are obliged to pay Burgess. They have to pay him, thats what a Contract is but the issue is it counting to the cap or not,

 

[Tiger5150]

Mate , you are confusing a bunch of stories on GI.

Google , why did GI retire.

In Greg Inglis own words...."It’s not due to mental health or injuries, I just think it’s the right time for me. I’ve been contemplating it for a while now and I’ve come to terms with it."

https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/04/15/greg-inglis-calls-time-on-his-glittering-career/

Did his Contract money count towards the cap?

 

[kris rebane]

Souths are obliged to pay Burgess. They have to pay him, thats what a Contract is but the issue is it counting to the cap or not,

but if he retires why? This is his decide.
Again, assume medical retire is just a gamble That could go either way

 

[Tiger5150]

but if he retires why? This is his decide.
Again, assume medical retire is just a gamble That could go either way

He hasnt retired because he couldnt be bothered anymore. He has retired because he is badly injured (although supposedly the medical report said he could be back in 18months). Every NRL Contract includes players being injured. There is no way you could contract players to play such a contact sport and they dont get paid, that is why the game was formed in 1908. If you get hurt, you stil get paid, that is the contract.

Think of it another way. If it meant getting paid, he doesnt actually have to retire, just be in "rehab" for the next 3 years.

The issue isnt him getting paid. Of course he should and will get paid. For me the issue is consistency with Cap relief. he doesnt qualify and Souffs are not entitled to it and that is why they are being shifty....again,

 

[Wily Ole Dog]

Its exactly what we have all been saying all along. Sam has a contract, he has to get paid, and it should be included in teh salary cap. That is the rules. Hard to understand how anyone can think otherwise. Are you and your mate seriously saying Souffs shouldnt have to pay him because he is injured (playing for Souffs)?

The bloke is legitimately, medically, retired. Why the F should Souths be punished due to Sams misfortune

Are you seriously suggesting that he retired for no reason other than Souths wanting to get rid of him and buy other players?

 

[Wily Ole Dog]

It was obviously an inducement to get him to retire and get off the cap, rather than do a darius and stink it up for the remainder of his contract. Same favour as inglis got. If you can't see it as an obvious rort, you are thick as shit

Moronic thought process. You need to put your team bias aside

it’s absolutely laughable that you think Souths wanted to get rid of one of the worlds best players

 

[Wily Ole Dog]

So explain to me.

why does Souths boss guy promise him the money?

there is no obligation if he is not medical retirement. Why condemn your club to no ‘out’ situation?

BECAUSE the bloke is a legend of our club. He still has plenty to offer off the field.

Why should we shaft him? Why should we not look after him in a mutually benefiting fashion?

are you suggesting he should be just told to piss off?

 

[Tiger5150]

The bloke is legitimately, medically, retired. Why the F should Souths be punished due to Sams misfortune

Because Sam was contracted to play the toughest team sport in the world, for Souffs. he put his body on the line, like all other players, for his club and for payment under a contract. You do realise that the single reason that RL was formed in 1908 was because players had to get paid if they got injured? All NRL contracts include players getting paid if injured. Its ridiculous to suggest he wouldnt get paid and you wouldny get players to play if they didnt. That is why the clubs insure them.

Sams misfortune, is Souffs misfortune. Much like Brett Stewart and Steve Matai's misfortune was Manly's misfortune.

Are you suggesting he shouldnt get paid?

Of course he should and will get paid. Issue is whether it counts on Souffs Salary Cap and under the rules of the NRL and they way they have been implemented previously, it should count on their cap.

Are you seriously suggesting that he retired for no reason other than Souths wanting to get rid of him and buy other players?

Not at all. Of course I believe Sam is genuinely busted. I think he is too proud a guy to not play unless he was busted. For me the issue is the fair and consistent application of the rules. They should be applied in this case the way they have been previously, for example with Matai & Stewart. I also think that the application of the rules whereby the Tigers were fined and have a reduced cap for two years for offering a player who was leaving the club a job for after their playing career, should also be consistently applied.

But we all know that Greenburg is incapable of this and he will bend for Souffs in both instances.

 

[siv]

I dont see any issue with Sam under going medical retirement he was clearly injured significantly in his last game and taken from the field

Any payout comes from a medical insurance fund

What I find crazy about the current process is

1 - why the NRL cannot accept doctors reports on the matter and approve his retirement ????

2 - why is a simple NRL admin task needs to be signed off by the ARLC

 

[Tiger5150]

I dont see any issue with Sam under going medical retirement he was clearly injured significantly in his last game and taken from the field

Because he busted the shoulder that he had previously busted and had reconstructed prior to his last contract. Its explicitly against the rules. I really dont understand why there is any confusion regarding that.

Any payout comes from a medical insurance fund

Maybe, maybe not. That is between Souffs and their insurance company, nothing to do with NRL. Regardless, Burgess gets his money and so he should.

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

You're wasting your time, gents.

Old man galeforce will automatically state that Souths are right and the tigers are wrong, even if they are apples and apples.

 

[Tiger5150]

You're wasting your time, gents.

Old man galeforce will automatically state that Souths are right and the tigers are wrong, even if they are apples and apples.

Yeah Im pretty much over this, Ive said what Ive said, there isnt really any other way of interpreting it. Nothing left to do but to sit back and wait for Greenburg to quietly approve all of this.

 

[Galeforce]

Glad you agree, its a total rort. If this was all above board, why the need for a 10year job? Why not just pay him? You watch, it will be the same as GI, Sam has foregone his contract money...Are they going to pay him twice?

.

Simple , lets wait and see how the NRL announce their decision.

there is no point raising any further points. lets wait and see if the NRL announce this as a medical retirement with full cap relief , then you are proven wrong. No need to apologise, you have shown your bias and thickness level

 

[Tiger5150]

Simple , lets wait and see how the NRL announce their decision.

there is no point raising any further points. lets wait and see if the NRL announce this as a medical retirement with full cap relief , then you are proven wrong. No need to apologise, you have shown your bias and thickness level

I think that is exactly what is likely to happen, but it will be due to the incompetence, bias and weakness of Greenburg and not merit and that is probably why Im so invested in a non-Tigers issue. For me the biggest problem facing the game is the way the NRL is so blatantly incompetently run and so clearly inconsistant and these inconsistencies always seem to fall the way of certain clubs. I'd be ropable if I was a Manly fan.

 

[siv]

Because he busted the shoulder that he had previously busted and had reconstructed prior to his last contract. Its explicitly against the rules. I really dont understand why there is any confusion regarding that.

But he is not retiring because of a prior shoulder injury

But because of an new infection issue

As per 5 specialist medical reports

 

[Tiger5150]

But he is not retiring because of a prior shoulder injury

But because of an new infection issue

As per 5 specialist medical reports

How did the infection get in there? It got in there during reconstruction surgery on the same shoulder that he previously busted and had reconstructed. It is a adverse outcome of reconstruction surgery, that wouldnt happen if he didnt bust the shoulder that he had previously busted.etc etc. etc.

Two ways of looking at it.

1. Its an adverse outcome of the reconstruction surgery as per my argument above, which is clearly an outcome of re-busting his previously reconstructed shoulder. In this case then clearly he cant get a medical retirement ($$$ of the cap) because it was a pre-existing injury.

2. The second way of looking at it, I think is the way you are looking at it, is that the infection specifically isnt a result of his previous shoulder injuries, that the infection itself is a seperate and new event. If you are making that argument then it is also not applicable for the medical retirement exemption because it didnt happen on the field during a specific game as per the NRL rules. If you then tie it back to the last game where he busted his shoulder, then you are then also tying it back to the old injury.