Sam Burgess returns to South Sydney

[siv]

The problem I have with the current cap is that it actually hurts the team I support. The raiders have turned it around off the field to the extent the group is quite profitable but because of the lack of private money in Canberra we can't compete on TPA.

The salary cap is supposed to keep clubs financial ironically if it was open slather the raiders could at least compete which is very difficult with the TPA system. As I said publish how much each clubs spend on salary including TPA every year. So we can see how "balanced" the comp is every year. If clubs are using TPA to top up salaries I don't see why it shouldn't be published.

Here is my issue with 3PAs

If I want to work and play football. Especially as I prepare for life after football

My real job is considered a 3PA

So when do we classify a 3PA as a job rather than footballer salary ?

 

[Pete Cash]

This happens in sporting competitions all over the world. You can't think of them as normal businesses.

A perfect example is when David Beckham signed with LA Galaxy ... He signed one of the biggest contracts in the history of sport ... But only a fraction of that was for actually playing soccer. The vast majority of it was sponsorships (otherwise known as TPAs).

However what the current TPA system is being used for is to top up contracts. That is to say they are dependent on the club when it was supposed to be independent of it.

Surely it's a little dodge when club A says sign with us for 900k but 400k is through a business. That's really club A signing a bloke for 900k surely but only 500k is through the cap.

 

[Alex28]

Storm supporters must be ecstatic that when they cheat the cap they lose premierships, but when Souths do they get $1 Million allowed outside of the premiership...

How the f*** did Souths go from the bastard child of Rugby a League that only inner city dole bludgers were interested in to...well...the Roosters?

 

[some11]

The solution for the Raiders is to relocate to Logan obviously.

How the f*** did Souths go from the bastard child of Rugby a League that only inner city dole bludgers were interested in to...well...the Roosters?

An owner with tons of money who is passionate about RL, and signing a coach who actually knows how to recruit and coach.

 

[POPEYE]

I can't cop Bellamy due to the cheating, wrestling and NSW failures. His ability to take rejects from other clubs and get the most from them is undeniable.

Tell us which coach you think could take a series off Qld when all Bellamy's prodigies are playing when he couldn't

Then let us know which clubs you think his prodigies should have been farmed out to save them from incompetence

Then I'd like to know which coach's tactics he could use to win games with players no-one wants

 

[Parra]

You've denied the first sentence and missed the point of the second. Three strikes and you're out pops.

 

[POPEYE]

You've denied the first sentence and missed the point of the second. Three strikes and you're out pops.

and you suffer from denial pro rata

 

[Rabbits20]

I certainly am, I thought the Bunnies were a bottom 8 side..now they're probably 6th. That annoys me.

Thanks for admitting mate.

Good to see you're truth telling and not bull crapping.

I see Souths as about 6th at this stage too. If the squad stays fit though Souths can push towards 4th spot but things have to go our way.

Without Sam my prediction was 7th-10th.

With Sam my prediction is 4th-7th.

 

[Rabbits20]

Canberra.

Ok.

 

[bfoord]

However what the current TPA system is being used for is to top up contracts. That is to say they are dependent on the club when it was supposed to be independent of it.

Surely it's a little dodge when club A says sign with us for 900k but 400k is through a business. That's really club A signing a bloke for 900k surely but only 500k is through the cap.

There are rules in place to prevent that from happening.

For a TPA to be exempt from the cap the club can't assist the player in getting the TPA.

Whether the rules are enforced effectively is another story

 

[SaraSassypants]

Rules are that a club can't guarantee a Third Party Agreement. However.. what's stopping the Third Party from only providing the money if the player signs for "x club". Is that within the rules? Can't really tell the third party what they can and can't do with their money. It's not being guaranteed by the club, it's being guaranteed by the third party. I would suspect that is the loophole all clubs that have third party agreements in place are using

 

[Nice Beaver]

Taumololo knocks backs a million a year to sing with the Cowboys for only 500k and no body bats an eyelid
Burgess does something similar and everybody loses their freakin minds!
They aren't bending the rules for 1 club, any club can do this. Every club uses tpa to some extent. Warriors just brought in rts and luke to join Johnson, vautevai, mannering and mautilino for example. There's nothing stopping other clubs getting their act and using tpa's in the way broncos, Souths and roosters do.
The problem with the system is that because souths , roosters and broncos can gain more tpa's then other clubs so they can get an unfair adventure under the rules, but no club will want to change the rules because they all already use tpa's to some extent, just none can do it to the level that roosters, broncos and souths do it.
You say Sam's 3rd party agreements should count against the cap like other player's? You mean like smith, gallen, slater, lewis, Thurston, taumololo, scott, milford, Parker, tamou, foran, dce, woods, farah, benji, Johnson etc etc etc the list goes on.
The problem with the reporting of Sams contract is that it's probably been wildly over reported. 1.5m is just ridiculous. He way arguebly be the best forward in the game (the case could be made for others) but that'd make him worth twice the money of other premier forwards. Guys like Graham, scott, bromwich, jwh,Cordner parker, taumololo will all be in the cap for somewhere around 500-750k ( not including tpa's) so burgess will slot in to that group

Any club can do this can they?

I might start to believe that piece of fiction when every club has equal share of FTA televised games.

Tell me a sponsor is going to throw TPA deals at a club getting 2 to 3 FTA games a year ahead of one getting 15 to 20 games of FTA. :roll:

Unless the company has a tie ot the club via the owner supporting the club, it would make zero business sense to throw money at a team getting no coverage as opposed to one getting all the spoils.

It is NOT an even playing field and to think it is, is either ignorant because your team is one of the darlings or just stupidity.

 

[BranVan3000]

Can third party agreements be included as part of the salary cap? For example the club organises player X to go to three appearances for a certain organisation and that is included in the salary cap. But then the player and third party agree to an "extra" three appearances for X amount that is paid outside of the cap

That way the club is making the intro but the extra amount is technically outside of the cap

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

Do awayy with it entirely. It's a rort.

 

[DiegoNT]

Any club can do this can they?

I might start to believe that piece of fiction when every club has equal share of FTA televised games.

Tell me a sponsor is going to throw TPA deals at a club getting 2 to 3 FTA games a year ahead of one getting 15 to 20 games of FTA. :roll:

Unless the company has a tie ot the club via the owner supporting the club, it would make zero business sense to throw money at a team getting no coverage as opposed to one getting all the spoils.

It is NOT an even playing field and to think it is, is either ignorant because your team is one of the darlings or just stupidity.

Yet in that very post i said clubs like mine have an unfair advantage.
Obviously you only read the part you highlighted and not the rest of the post.
Yes every club could in theory use the tpa's in this way, but you are correct not every club has the power to do so, whether through incompetence or through lack of sponsors or exposure. I do not hide the fact that my club has an unfair advantage under the current rules and that things need to change. Souths aren't breaking a rule, they are using a stupid rule to their full advantage. A club like parra are using the very same rule, but are using it on will hopoate and tim mannah, they are not using it to their full advantage.

 

[Edwahu]

Any club can do this can they?

I might start to believe that piece of fiction when every club has equal share of FTA televised games.

Tell me a sponsor is going to throw TPA deals at a club getting 2 to 3 FTA games a year ahead of one getting 15 to 20 games of FTA. :roll:

Unless the company has a tie ot the club via the owner supporting the club, it would make zero business sense to throw money at a team getting no coverage as opposed to one getting all the spoils.

It is NOT an even playing field and to think it is, is either ignorant because your team is one of the darlings or just stupidity.

I don't know if FTA exposure makes much difference. How many TPAs actually result in players doing anything in return? What makes a difference is having rich supporters.

 

[CowboyFuriousFury]

http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/11/09/spiro-sam-burgess-league-great-rugby-journeyman/

So making the England squad in less than a year makes you a journeyman. Lol, also the typical league hate you come to expect from the rugby fans.

 

[Nice Beaver]

Yet in that very post i said clubs like mine have an unfair advantage.
Obviously you only read the part you highlighted and not the rest of the post.
Yes every club could in theory use the tpa's in this way, but you are correct not every club has the power to do so, whether through incompetence or through lack of sponsors or exposure. I do not hide the fact that my club has an unfair advantage under the current rules and that things need to change. Souths aren't breaking a rule, they are using a stupid rule to their full advantage. A club like parra are using the very same rule, but are using it on will hopoate and tim mannah, they are not using it to their full advantage.

Mate I read the entire post, but highlighted the fact you said every club can do it. Theoretically, yes, but in reality, no.

 

[Nice Beaver]

I don't know if FTA exposure makes much difference. How many TPAs actually result in players doing anything in return? What makes a difference is having rich supporters.

I guess your point about how many of them actually do anything in return points to my opinion that they do so because of the exposure. Exposure comes through time in front of the TV (in my opinion).
If not, why do we have billions of dollars being thrown at league for the right to broadcast? $$$ for advertising.

But yes, definitely take your point that having rich benefactors at a club helps the cause with TPA's. It has to be helping my club at the moment with players being signed. But for the overall good of the game, it cannot stay as is.

 

[WaznTheGreat]

Dylan Walker should come to Parra