Sam Burgess returns to South Sydney

[Edwahu]

I think there's the potential for it to happen, but I don't think it's as big as you want to make it out to be.

Reality is in the current climate if clubs had companies lined up ready to donate large sums of money they'd be taken on as sponsors.

Like I said your argument lacks proportion and reeks of insecurity.

You have no idea how big the issue is, just like the rest of us. Only the NRL knows how big the problem is and they will not tell anybody. Read into that what you will.

 

[POPEYE]

You have no idea how big the issue is, just like the rest of us. Only the NRL knows how big the problem is and they will not tell anybody. Read into that what you will.

Says it all

 

[magpie4ever]

I think there's the potential for it to happen, but I don't think it's as big as you want to make it out to be.

Reality is in the current climate if clubs had companies lined up ready to donate large sums of money they'd be taken on as sponsors.

Like I said your argument lacks proportion and reeks of insecurity.

Yeah and you live live in fairyland. Sycophant plus.

 

[SaraSassypants]

If the third party provides the money only if the player signs for club x ... Then that money needs to be included under the salary cap.

Basically for TPAs to be cap exempt then the following needs to occur:

1. Can not be a club sponsor
2. Club can not arrange said sponsorships
3. Club can not guarantee payments from sponsor to player
4. Can not tie a player to a club.

I think there might be a few more conditions

Thanks for clarifying

 

[SaraSassypants]

What players can earn outside the salary cap:
$600,000 - Marquee Player Allowance - any or all of the Top 25 players at each club can share in payments made by club sponsors seeking to use a player's intellectual property. These may be guaranteed in the playing contract by clubs.
$100,000 - Motor Vehicle Allowance – a maximum amount of five motor vehicles may be provided to players in the Top 25 outside of the salary cap. (Valued at $20,000 each).
Unlimited - Players can earn unlimited amounts from corporate sponsors who are not associated with the club and who do not use the game's intellectual property (no club logos, jerseys or emblems) provided these are pre-approved. These agreements may not be negotiated by the club as an incentive for a player to sign a contract, nor can they be guaranteed by the club.

http://www.nrl.com/nrlhq/referencecentre/salarycap/tabid/10434/default.aspx

Don't forget the Boat allowance :lol:

 

[Perth Red]

I think there's the potential for it to happen, but I don't think it's as big as you want to make it out to be.

Reality is in the current climate if clubs had companies lined up ready to donate large sums of money they'd be taken on as sponsors.
.

Not really, there is only one front of shirt sponsorship to sell, getting a company to support you to sign Sam Burgess without it eating up a large chunk of cap, now that is an advantage worth having!

 

[Danish]

Thing is Tiger you have to ask why don't Wests have access to TPA's? if the board make up doesn't have connections to the business world maybe they need to change board members? Seems TPA are here to stay and going to become increasingly dominant in salary attraction so clubs had better find ways to make it happen or they will fall behind.

re your jnr argument, some would argue why should clubs who happen to be in geographically popular areas for RL or who have large pokie dens funding Jnr RL have that advantage? I'd agree from SG ball or U20's but anything below that age is pokie machine funding by and large.

The TPAs are only going to go so far in a tiny country like Australia.

In the US there aren't any TPAs required, as brands fall over themselves to throw money at stars. Players like Peyton Manning carefully craft their public image to ensure they can land endorsements worth multiple times that of their contracts, and its a completely fair market as no one gives a shit what team you play for, they only care about who you are.

In Oz we simply don't have the market to be supporting tens of millions of dollars in player sponsorship deals across the league. Nike doesn't see any value in speading $10 million across the league in sponsorship deals as there are only 250K people playing league in the country. Even if they all bought nike boots they would be losing money on that investment.

Thats why all TPAs in Oz are weird ass dodgy deals with waste management companies tipping in a couple hundred grand for a player, or some local car dealership handing out free vehicles to players a few months at a time then flogging them off as ex-demos. None of it is profitable to the companies paying these TPAs and all of it is basically done by business owners who are also fans of the club and wanting to throw some cash at the club in order to gain some influence over the club that they love.

 

[Parra]

Burgess was gifted a spot in the national team in rugby. This include a chance to play in the world cup.
He wasn't up to the job - but then comes back here and claims there is an agenda against him? An agenda that got him a spot ahead of others who deserved it? Very weak excuses from Burgess.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...o-return-to-south-sydney-20151110-gkuzje.html

 

[magpie4ever]

Burgess was gifted a spot in the national team in rugby. This include a chance to play in the world cup.
He wasn't up to the job - but then comes back here and claims there is an agenda against him? An agenda that got him a spot ahead of others who deserved it? Very weak excuses from Burgess.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...o-return-to-south-sydney-20151110-gkuzje.html

f**king oath, couldn't cut it in the soft-c**k game so bails out to reclaim his superstar/hard man status in league.

 

[Usain Bolt]

Not sure why the England coach hasn't been fired yet, selecting Burgess was one of many bad decisions made by the whole coaching staff. Burgess was arrogant to think he could switch and star in a game he hadn't played before in the span of a year

 

[Brutus]

Burgess was gifted a spot in the national team in rugby. This include a chance to play in the world cup.
He wasn't up to the job - but then comes back here and claims there is an agenda against him? An agenda that got him a spot ahead of others who deserved it? Very weak excuses from Burgess.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...o-return-to-south-sydney-20151110-gkuzje.html

But but but, I thought rugby union was mega huge in England and they wouldn't need to 'gift' a leaguie a spot in the national team and pay him squillions.

And they put him the centres - never played that posi in league ever letalone in union.

Joke joke joke.

England union deserve all the shit that has been thrown at them.

Sam is back where his heart lies.

 

[Brutus]

Sam Burgess - dual international.

 

[Parra]

England union deserve all the shit that has been thrown at them.

Yes they do. Except for the allegation that they had an agenda that was anti Burgess. This was a piss weak excuse.

 

[kbw]

Burgess was crap at rugby, too dumb to learn how to play in the forwards and too slow to play in the backs. Then there is the major flaw, that the referees and commentators didn't pander to him.

I didn't see Burge$$ mention anything about whether his RU team mates enjoyed his squirrel grips like they did at $ouff$

 

[Perth Red]

Yes they do. Except for the allegation that they had an agenda that was anti Burgess. This was a piss weak excuse.

The media and ex player mouth pieces certainly did.

I think when he made that big hit and got pinged for it he realised what a f**k up of a game he had signed up for. The writing was on the wall at that point. No doubt playing in the dump of a ground at bath in front of 9,000 was also not the glamour of union he had imagined lol.

 

[Liddell]

Burgess was crap at rugby, too dumb to learn how to play in the forwards and too slow to play in the backs. Then there is the major flaw, that the referees and commentators didn't pander to him.

I didn't see Burge$$ mention anything about whether his RU team mates enjoyed his squirrel grips like they did at $ouff$

Anyone would think you're mad to see him back.

 

[Parra]

The media and ex player mouth pieces certainly did.

So did the fools who listen to them. Evidenced by the crap in this thread. If you didn't like it, why did you keep watching it?

 

[bottle]

So much jealousy, so laughable.
Would love to see all the haters fail as much as this guy. They'd have to leave their lounge rooms though.

 

[BODISGOD]

The media and ex player mouth pieces certainly did.

I think when he made that big hit and got pinged for it he realised what a f**k up of a game he had signed up for. The writing was on the wall at that point. No doubt playing in the dump of a ground at bath in front of 9,000 was also not the glamour of union he had imagined lol.

What media exactlu?

Telegraph? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/sam-burgess/11967950/Sam-Burgess-was-Englands-scapegoat-but-he-must-fight-to-prove-himself.html

"And let?s get this straight: Burgess was not to blame for England?s early exit from the Rugby World Cup."


The Mail?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-3298538/Sam-Burgess-pawn-game-never-stood-chance-betrayal-league-convert-hide-rugby-union-s-failings.html

"Really? The truth, of course, is that Burgess was the man who was let down."

The Independent?

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/international/sam-burgess-league-convert-to-take-a-break-from-rugby-as-he-considers-his-future-a6712791.html

"Inexplicably, however, the England head coach, Stuart Lancaster, ignored all available evidence and selected Burgess for the World Cup squad as a centre."

Mirror?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/matt-dawson-column-sam-burgess-6777077


"I feel sorry for Burgess and steaming with anger at whoever thought it would be a good idea to persuade him he could be a World Cup-standard centre eight months after switching over from rugby league."

The examples held up as "ex players" in England wanting him to fail were Matt Dawson above and Will Carling. What they both said was;

?I?m in awe of Sam as a rugby league player, but there is no one that I have spoken to whom I respect ? ex-players, coaches ? who thinks he?s ready,? said Carling. ?I don?t understand what the rush is and it?s unfair on him. I feel sorry for him. If he wants to make it in union, there?s plenty of time. He?s been playing union for 10 months and half of that was in a different position to what England are playing him in. He?ll hit you hard if he can line you up and he?s a great guy, but I don?t believe he?s one of the four best centres in England. He was functional against France and wasn?t a disaster, but there was nothing that made me think ?Wow?.

What exactly is unfair about that?

Both Dawson and Carling are rugby league fans but apparently they are the "Union Establishment" who wanted the league lad to fail:?

 

[BODISGOD]

But but but, I thought rugby union was mega huge in England and they wouldn't need to 'gift' a leaguie a spot in the national team and pay him squillions.

And they put him the centres - never played that posi in league ever letalone in union.

Joke joke joke.

England union deserve all the shit that has been thrown at them.

Sam is back where his heart lies.

England rugby is indeed a joke.

I don't think anyone out there says "But but but, I thought rugby union was mega huge in England and they wouldn't need to 'gift' a leaguie a spot". The RFU have been doing that now for 2 decades. They laid off doing it after the Andy Farrell fiasco but were brought straight back in.

The RFU and English rugby union has been a laughing stock since 2003. They don't have a clue what they are doing. The amount of resources they waste is hilarious. Twickenham prints money.

It certainly is a testament to Burgess and the NRL that they used him in their latest folly in covering up the cracks in their union's structure, going for a "name" over proven development.