Same sh*t, different year

[hybrid_tiger]

Galloway has been outstanding. He needs to play more minutes as we struggle for go forward when he is off the field. Not sure if he is incapable of playing more minutes due to fitness, or if its just Sheens' rotational policy. I do notice he can be sloppy in defence around the ruck when he is tired, though this has improved this season.

Payne's penalty was absolutely ridiculous. He may be a good defender, but his attack is atrocious - I have never seen a player consistently get pushed backwards and hit the line with all the venom of a wet rag. He is useless.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

I must admit that when Payne and Halatau are on the field, I sit there hoping to God that they don't get the pill.

Big Red has been awesome. He always seems to bend the line and always takes plenty of petrol to stop.

 

[TimmyB]

I don't think it is, especially not after three years of watching the same rubbish.

Until we find some consistency in our game, it will be much of the same. But Friday night there was some good signs. Here's hoping it continues.

You wouldn't, you're a primary culprit.

Most could see that the Cowboys result was likely to be an aberration and really couldn't be put on Sheens - hideous defense, the consequence of no ball, the consequence of terrible handling which was in no way Sheens' fault. Yet some of you did so anyway.

The doubters make a LOT of excellent points. I just wish the cynicism and hysteria was absent - at best it's unhelpful and at worse it's sh*t boring to read. Suggesting we would lose by 50 was laughable. Obviously tongue in cheek, but what does it achieve?

 

[Tigers_are_Pro]

f**k me, Galloway has been the best prop so far this year.
I swear, he's 23 now so in about 3 years when he puts on some more muscle and bulks up some more, he'll be the premier prop of the competition.
Ellis is a great player, he's tough and it doesn't look like he'll take anyone's sh*t.
You're more likely to have a brick wall catch a ball than Halatau.
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[hybrid_tiger]

You wouldn't, you're a primary culprit.

Most could see that the Cowboys result was likely to be an aberration and really couldn't be put on Sheens - hideous defense, the consequence of no ball, the consequence of terrible handling which was in no way Sheens' fault. Yet some of you did so anyway.

The doubters make a LOT of excellent points. I just wish the cynicism and hysteria was absent - at best it's unhelpful and at worse it's sh*t boring to read. Suggesting we would lose by 50 was laughable. Obviously tongue in cheek, but what does it achieve?

Mate, after three years if you expect the cynicism to be absent, you are simply kidding yourself. Most of it (with some exceptions) is completely warranted.

I do find it interesting though that many of you who claim to not be negative or cynical are never around to post when we lose. Funny that.

 

[Marshall_magic]

Performances like last week are not uncommon to the past few seasons, it's just we don't put enough on the board. What really has me excited is our weakness from the past few years (our pack) is now our strength with our backline having minmal changes. Consistency is the key however, but with some of the rule changes benefitting us, who knows?

 

[westie]

Our goal line defense is easily our main problem. It's fixable - it was sh*t house up until half way through '05.

Our second problem is liabilities like Halatau, Moltzen and Ryan. Without these guys on the park, we may well have nilled the Roosters. They are mostly replaceable by guys within the squad.

We've beaten the two most useless sides in the comp.

If we have the ball, we'll win - just like in '05. If we can't control possession, we simply can't hold sides out.

 

[TimmyB]

Mate, after three years if you expect the cynicism to be absent, you are simply kidding yourself. Most of it (with some exceptions) is completely warranted.

I do find it interesting though that many of you who claim to not be negative or cynical are never around to post when we lose. Funny that.

It's the level of cynicism and the hysteria that's ridiculous. I'll repeat again, it was pretty clear that the Cowboys display was at the least a little bit of an aberration. Coming off a four day turnaround and playing in ridiculous humidity which lead to a ton of handling errors. Plenty of teams are going to be made to look ordinary up there. A bit of rationality would have seen people remember this was the case. But a lot of you seem to have lost the plot.

The depths some of you have sunk to is demonstrated by the cheap shots about visiting hospitals into posts is extraordinary. The club is trying to present a good image and that's great. They should continue to do so; look what has happened to the Dogs. The club is also trying to establish a successful football team. Both are important. They are not mutually exclusive. I'm certain the club hierarchy does not see one as the substitute for another. Yet you can't resist making snide remarks.

Criticism I understand. The constant petulance that permeates this place I do not. It's tiresome, unproductive and boring.

To be honest I'm not around here that often at all; at least not in a posting capacity. Not really sure who that go about being here after losses is directed at.

 

[super_coach]

Without doubt the two ref system is helping, but I dont expect the super quick style of game to last. I think as teams get to peak match fitness and the heavy tracks as winter sets in the game will slow down a little. Ellis has made a big difference to the forwards but like others have said I have real doubts about our backline defense and of course our online defense.

 

[simon says]

It's the level of cynicism and the hysteria that's ridiculous. I'll repeat again, it was pretty clear that the Cowboys display was at the least a little bit of an aberration. Coming off a four day turnaround and playing in ridiculous humidity which lead to a ton of handling errors. Plenty of teams are going to be made to look ordinary up there. A bit of rationality would have seen people remember this was the case. But a lot of you seem to have lost the plot.

The depths some of you have sunk to is demonstrated by the cheap shots about visiting hospitals into posts is extraordinary. The club is trying to present a good image and that's great. They should continue to do so; look what has happened to the Dogs. The club is also trying to establish a successful football team. Both are important. They are not mutually exclusive. I'm certain the club hierarchy does not see one as the substitute for another. Yet you can't resist making snide remarks.

Criticism I understand. The constant petulance that permeates this place I do not. It's tiresome, unproductive and boring.

To be honest I'm not around here that often at all; at least not in a posting capacity. Not really sure who that go about being here after losses is directed at.

Great bloody post!!!!!
:thumb

 

[Magpies Forever]

Guys, I'm happy we seem to be at the "glass half full / half empty" stage where improvements are evident but the room for doubt (or pessimism / cynicism) remain for those that wish to see it.

If we can keep up the consistency for another 2 or 3 games and play well, hopefully we have turned the corner.

Me? I hope the team does well, results are starting to back up that hope.

BUT, I will not permit Teflon and Simmons to get away with blatant lies and half truths without comment- the most recent that comes to mind is Sheens saying (I think last month) Morris was recruited for his utility and not as a halfback. I'm sorry he is not going to get away with rewriting history and minimising his failed experiment with Morris at 1/2 without comment- at least from me.

BTW- do the "optimists" think Simmons has done a successful job as a defensive coach and should be retained? Do we just accept that?

Over all these positive and negative things, I want WT to succeed and be a successful football team that players want to come to and play with.

 

[N.C.]

Another Sheens comment - something about how it's good to see Benji play well at 7 because we've been needing a half-back for some time now. Rewriting history. Cooper Morris and Matthew Who anyone? I agree - we've needed one since Prince departed. I just didn't realise Sheens knew this as well, with all his rhetoric in the last - how many years has it been now?

 

[TimmyB]

Jesus, more whinging.

He accepts we haven't had a half since Prince left and you're still not happy.

 

[Tiger Hawk]

What I really love are the fans that complain about the fans that complain. Brilliant. The condescension is almost tangible.

 

[Magpies Forever]

Jesus, more whinging.

He accepts we haven't had a half since Prince left and you're still not happy.

TimmyB - what did you expect in a thread titled "Same sh*t, different year"????? Pessimists / naysayers / whingers have as much right to voice an opinion as the optimists.

Lets start a thread about the good things that are happening and only positive comments can go on that one. Yes, we all have some.

 

[TimmyB]

What condescension? How am I patronising anyone? I've been about as blunt and forthright in my criticism of the negativity and pessimism present on this forum as is possible.

 

[TimmyB]

Pessimists / naysayers / whingers have as much right to voice an opinion as the optimists.

Of course they do, so why are you denying me the right to express mine in return?
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My problem isn't with pointing out the negatives. I thought the majority of Nick's post at the start was fair and I said so on the first page.

Lets start a thread about the good things that are happening and only positive comments can go on that one. Yes, we all have some.

Why is that necessary? Why can't I respond to complaints here? Isn't this a discussion forum? All I pointed out is that it is rather nonsensical to complain about Sheens' admission that we haven't had a half for 2 years.

 

[TimmyB]

I can't understand anybody that, looking objectively, honestly expected us to make a serious run this year.

All the apologists are the same, just make excuses and accept things.

VS

The doubters make a LOT of excellent points. I just wish the cynicism and hysteria was absent - at best it's unhelpful and at worse it's sh*t boring to read.

And I'm being condescending?

Why not address some of my points rather than writing me off as condescending?

 

[N.C.]

What points remain unanswered?

 

[Tiger Hawk]

Why not address some of my points rather than writing me off as condescending?

I didn't "write you off" as condescending. In fact I didn't call you anything at all. All apologies, I didn't realise there was a code of conduct for posting your grievances on an interweb forum. Clearly there is, as the way you criticise the club is the appropriate way, as opposed to the way in which others do.