Same sh*t, different year

[N.C.]

Jesus, more whinging.

He accepts we haven't had a half since Prince left and you're still not happy.

Yes, now that it's convenient, he accepts. In the meantime, however, we've had old Cuzzo going nuts about what a great guy Johnno is and how we'd all love to have him in our team. This is despite Sheens talking him up as the next Crispy Cronk some three years ago, and taking a small age to relegate him to the bench when we had clear alternative options. Maybe Sheens biggest problem is that he opens his mouth when he shouldn't. Or maybe it is that he can't pick a useful player like he used to. He doesn't seem to spot the useless ones so well anymore either, cause he keeps inviting them back to play...

 

[Magpies Forever]

True- we havent had a half for 2+ years.

Looking to the future as the optimists want us to do, we may have a solution in Marshall but please excuse us pessimists if we are reluctant to jump on board straight away without reflecting on the past and examinig past statements, inaction and deeds of the people that got us in to that situation.

I was just suggesting that if we want to have a positive thread and look to the good things, another thread be started to look at the good things. I am not trying to silence anyone, nor is anyone else I hope, just commenting that some threads by their title, and the views expressed therein by the original poster, bring out such feelings. 3 years of frustration and false raised hopes have to have an effect somehow.

We can all agree to disagree on some of our views eg people here either like / dislike certain players performance / ability shown at times. The forum is fun though after all we all have a desire for WT to play well and hopefully win a premiership again sometime soon.

 

[TimmyB]

Clearly there is, as the way you criticise the club is the appropriate way, as opposed to the way in which others do.

Fantastic hyperbole. I dare to question legitimacy of comments "we'll lose by 50" and "the club just would prefer to visit hospitals and I'm accused of didactics.

 

[super_coach]

They say love is blind, well their must be a lot of people in love with Teflon and Sizzler. Okay in 2009 he limped us over the line in game one, got smashed in round two and let me add it was game we were never going to win but some puzzling tactics didnt help and of course we came home at 100km hour to win the last one. Now we have pretty well done the same thing in the early rounds over the past few years and we all know what happen latter in the season.

My main concerns are the use of the bench and the defense, now that seem to be on par with the past three years (pretty average) Their are a couple of positives Benji seems to be making a go of the 7 and Ellis is probably our best forward signing in many years

 

[TimmyB]

Yes, now that it's convenient, he accepts. In the meantime, however, we've had old Cuzzo going nuts about what a great guy Johnno is and how we'd all love to have him in our team. This is despite Sheens talking him up as the next Crispy Cronk some three years ago, and taking a small age to relegate him to the bench when we had clear alternative options. Maybe Sheens biggest problem is that he opens his mouth when he shouldn't. Or maybe it is that he can't pick a useful player like he used to. He doesn't seem to spot the useless ones so well anymore either, cause he keeps inviting them back to play...

Now that it's convenient? Maybe it's just a case of now he has the chance to put a full season of Benji at half? Maybe he always realised but has been unable to sign a suitable half. Maybe Sheens felt

Mistakes have been made. No doubt. Surely if Sheens accepts a mistake it's good thing rather than a suitable subject for more vitriol.

There's about 5 posters here who just feed off each other. Inane and asinine comments like "Teflon Tim", "Sizzler Simmons" and "too busy visiting hospitals" are coined and within a week they're part of the group's lexicon. It's bizarre.

 

[Tiger Hawk]

Fantastic hyperbole. I dare to question legitimacy of comments "we'll lose by 50" and "the club just would prefer to visit hospitals and I'm accused of didactics.

Sorry mate, we all didn't swallow a f**king dictionary when we were born.

But again, despite your obvious grasp of the English language (do you really use didactics in everyday conversation?), I see simple comprehension is a tad beyond you. I didn't accuse YOU of anything. I made a general remark, not aimed at anyone in particular. You've chosen to take offence at it. Whatevs.

 

[N.C.]

You'll notice I don't use such phrases, Timmy. I don't subscribe. I read the papers. I read the fora. I watch the games as often as I can, or I listen to them on the radio. Mr Sheens is obviously well respected, but some of what he comes up with is just plain rubbish. To be fair to him, he gets handed a lot of rubbish by his so called recruitment manager, and I guess he has to try to find some spin to sell it to the punters. Nobody here is so deluded as to think it is all about Sheens. He is merely the face of the administration. He is the link between the team and the club. He is who they give us to take our frustrations out on, and we have a few. We are over the cap with a side (not even) full of reserve graders and potential. But to be fair to us, playing Fitzhenry at 5/8, playing Morris at 1/2, playing Farah at 1/2, playing Moltzen at fullback, playing Harrison at prop, playing Galloway for ten minutes a half, playing Halatau & Payne ever - these are all things Sheens has done. I'm not out to get the guy, but I can understand why a couple of cowboys around here are... and I'm happy to call it like I see it.

 

[TimmyB]

Sorry mate, we all didn't swallow a f**king dictionary when we were born.

But again, despite your obvious grasp of the English language (do you really use didactics in everyday conversation?), I see simple comprehension is a tad beyond you. I didn't accuse YOU of anything. I made a general remark, not aimed at anyone in particular. You've chosen to take offence at it. Whatevs.

I'm the only one in the thread complaining about the perpetual whinging! Who else would you be referring to? Beside which f**king wrote in your subsequent post that I think "my way" is the appropriate way to criticise the club. Tripe.

To be honest, there's few occasions to use the word didactics - carpe diem.

 

[Tiger Hawk]

I'm the only one in the thread complaining about the perpetual whinging! Who else would you be referring to? Beside which f**king wrote in your subsequent post that I think "my way" is the appropriate way to criticise the club. Tripe.

Yes, it is tripe. You've gone off half cocked. Of course I mockingly replied after YOU made a couple of posts directed at me. Get off your soapbox already.

 

[TimmyB]

We are over the cap with a side (not even) full of reserve graders and potential.

To be frank, I don't think our team is as bad as some people would suggest. We've got three who are amongst the best in the game in Farah, Marshall and (I would argue) Ellis. We've got a bloke who should get there one day in Lawrence. We have a number of fringe rep players in Tuiaki, Galloway, Heighington and Payten. Collis and Gibbs are (arguably in Gibbs' case) good first graders. Ryan is solid. Galea and Payne both played plenty of first grade prior to signing with us. Though they've admittedly been woeful for us, it would have been hard to predict just how ineffective they would be prior to signing - so we've clearly overpaid.

Depth is definitely an issue, but there are some average footballers running around in other teams as well. There's not too many clubs fielding teams with particularly familiar names on the bench. The Sharks have been playing Dave Simmons and Luke Covell in their back three for a couple of years now!

But to be fair to us, playing Fitzhenry at 5/8, playing Morris at 1/2, playing Farah at 1/2, playing Moltzen at fullback, playing Harrison at prop, playing Galloway for ten minutes a half, playing Halatau & Payne ever - these are all things Sheens has done. I'm not out to get the guy, but I can understand why a couple of cowboys around here are... and I'm happy to call it like I see it.

Lots of these things annoy me as much as the next person, so I don't disagree. I would have sacked Sheens at the end of last year as well. That doesn't mean he is as incompetent and awful as some would make out.

Let's not forget that the poor recruitment decision of Morris and the attempt to convert him into a half was preceded by the decision to sign Prince and his successful conversion into half back. The decision to sign Galloway looks like it may be starting to reap dividends. Ellis has been frankly brilliant thus far, yet prior to the trials a lot of the guys in here were sticking the boot into the decision to recruit him. I thinl it was Sheens' decision to move Tuiaki to the wing where he had one fantastic season. He appears to be back to his best. If Benji keeps playing like he did on Friday, we may be speaking of it as a masterful Sheens decision in the future.

The point is, it's not as one sided as is presented in this thread. Magpies Forever stated it's because it's a thread for negatives and I'm bound to find pessimism and that I should start a thread for positives. The fact that there isn't one probably says it all! We played decently well against the Roosters and there was nary a post for a week!


Anyway, I'll get off my pedestal, I think I've probably already put forward my point more forcefully than was necessary.

 

[TimmyB]

Yes, it is tripe. You've gone off half cocked. Of course I mockingly replied after YOU made a couple of posts directed at me. Get off your soapbox already.

So who WAS it directed at then? I'm the only one in the thread that fits your description and you posted it directly after I told someone to stop whinging!

 

[bubblesunlimited]

Personally I thnk that Moltzen is going to be super fullback, very much in the Hodgo mold.

Time will tell.

 

[Tigers_are_Pro]

Our squad is probably looking it's best since 06.

I agree with the above about Moltzen, he's a naturally talented player, he could succeed at most positions. With a bit of coaching and quality game time, he'll be a great FB.

I feel more confident this year than I have for the past 2 years.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

To be frank, I don't think our team is as bad as some people would suggest. We've got three who are amongst the best in the game in Farah, Marshall and (I would argue) Ellis. We've got a bloke who should get there one day in Lawrence. We have a number of fringe rep players in Tuiaki, Galloway, Heighington and Payten. Collis and Gibbs are (arguably in Gibbs' case) good first graders. Ryan is solid. Galea and Payne both played plenty of first grade prior to signing with us. Though they've admittedly been woeful for us, it would have been hard to predict just how ineffective they would be prior to signing - so we've clearly overpaid.

I agree with most of that, except for Gibbs (who I don't rate at all) and Payne, who I recall when we signed him had St George fans cheering because he was useless in attack and gave away an average of three penalties a game. Not much has changed. He was a useless signing and we did not need yet another backrower.

Depth is definitely an issue, but there are some average footballers running around in other teams as well. There's not too many clubs fielding teams with particularly familiar names on the bench. The Sharks have been playing Dave Simmons and Luke Covell in their back three for a couple of years now!

Again, I agree.

Lots of these things annoy me as much as the next person, so I don't disagree. I would have sacked Sheens at the end of last year as well. That doesn't mean he is as incompetent and awful as some would make out.

I don't think anyone thinks Sheens is incompetent, I think the thing that annoys most people is that he is never held accountable for his puzzling decisions and many mistakes, especially in the media. 2005 has seemingly bought him an endless right to not be criticised, which is just plain wrong. For example, the fact that he was nominated for coach of the year in 2007 - just laughable.

I have no doubts that Sheens is a good coach, but he never gets questioned from anyone that matters.

 

[hrundi99]

Sorry mate, we all didn't swallow a f**king dictionary when we were born.

Interpretation: I'm dumb and I don't understand.

 

[Tiger Hawk]

Interpretation: I'm dumb and I don't understand.

haha, oh snap!

Another who selectively quotes - did you read the paragraph that followed?

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Interpretation: I'm dumb and I don't understand.

I'm convinced this bloke works for the club in some form.

 

[TimmyB]

Argh, maybe people are right.

Woeful defense, we'd be right if could fking sort this issue out.

 

[TV Ted Ellery]

I'm convinced this bloke works for the club in some form.

Wayne Cousins? Maybe not..He strikes me as a cheerful type, despite his palpable delusions.

 

[Magpies Forever]

Trouble is no accountability- high sounding words are spoken but no action ever taken either with the players the words are aimed at, or the people making the meaningless mouthings. All these words on defense in the off season etc- where is someone saying to Royce Simmons- enough, resign or you're sacked? It should be Teflon saying that- surely he realises he is being dragged down further and further into the pit and being made to look ridiculous by the continued failure of WT defense (after all the high sounding words in the off season)- and who has been placed in the role of defensive coach? Simmons. Who placed him? Sheens.

Longmuir- looks like you will have to tell Sheens this is no longer acceptable- and if Sheens doesn't want/like having to take the appropriate action he can pack his bags too.............