Sandow payout???

[The Colonel]

100% agree - was just commenting that he doesn't give us much cap space cause he doesn't cost much, but yes opens a spot in the roster.

I'm not totally convinced we have spent anywhere near our cap. Could have but I struggle to see where and think that some off season value could be purchased. Until such time I don't seeing more than what was dished up this year ahead for next year.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So we have to wait another year before we get a fair return considering the $$$ we are playing sandow.

And I thought your mate doesn't pay overs.

$2 million over four years is good value.

#KeepTryingBut

 

[Maroubra Eel]

$2 million over four years is good value.

#KeepTryingBut

What if he has something in his contract about an increase if the cap increases?

How do you know what he's on?

 

[oldmancraigy]

What if he has something in his contract about an increase if the cap increases?

How do you know what he's on?

How do you know that he doesn't know what he's on?

What if he doesn't have anything in his contract about an increase if the cap increases?

 

[oldmancraigy]

I'm not convinced Stuart is a great halves coach. At the Roosters and then the Sharks his record with a number seven saw Soward and Finch at other clubs and little luck with the Sharks halves. Time will tell though.

Unfortunately I share your sentiments on Stuart and halves! Cronulla were always searching for that elusive halfback

However it's worth noting that Finch actually played well under Ricky, I wonder how much of the problem is the difficulty in actually finding a bloke who can play number 7 in the top grade. Worth noting that in any given season there are at least half the clubs in the comp who don't have a top grade quality 7.

This season:
Bulldogs
Rabbitohs? (time will tell, but seems the young bloke is just a kicker)
Sharks (although Carney compensates from 6)
Raiders
Broncos
Tigers
Knights
Dragons
Panthers (I don't want to argue about the merits of Walsh - happy to be wrong here if others disagree)

Some of those teams have young halfbacks who COULD be good in the future, but those blokes are year 1 or 2 and Sandow is simply them 4 years down the track IF they pan out properly and don't get that massive slump that happens to so many young halfbacks.


Anyway, back to the point, hopefully it was lack of opportunity with Ricky and halves coaching, and not lack of ability. But I guess we'll see.

 

[oldmancraigy]

I'm not totally convinced we have spent anywhere near our cap. Could have but I struggle to see where and think that some off season value could be purchased. Until such time I don't seeing more than what was dished up this year ahead for next year.

If you go off hearsay and whispers, then we were close to half a million under the cap this season (same as last apparently).
Sure, we managed to spend the $$ we saved in sacking the coach, but I think this is actually one of the positives SK brought: he didn't spend the full cap on crap. He wanted to have the big $ell available for big name players (ok, he might have struggled to convince them to come here, but whatever).

The major issue we're currently facing is that we only have 2 free roster spots in the top 25 for next season. Unfortunately we'd need to sack some blokes in order to make a signing, and if we sack them, they may well still count against our cap unless someone else picks them up.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

100% agree - was just commenting that he doesn't give us much cap space cause he doesn't cost much, but yes opens a spot in the roster.

Does it open up a roster space ? If we release Roberts / tonga we still need to pay them out , so we are losing a player as well as cap space. It we have cap space aren't we better of keeping the players and just signing some more players?. What stops a club using the cap to sign 27 players ? Is there any rules saying we can't sign more then 25 players with cap ?

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Also I believe another way to get around the top 25 (if that is all you can sign using the cap) is sign a player to a nsw cup salary and offer decent match payments for a year then sign them to a top 25 contract the following year when there is a free spot in the top 25. Match pymts don't count towards the cap , it just means the following year if they stay they will count the full amount paid that year in the cap as the players value.

Just don't like releasing players if we still have money to spend - a club can never have to many players

 

[Maroubra Eel]

$2 million over four years is good value.

#KeepTryingBut

How do you know that he doesn't know what he's on?

What if he doesn't have anything in his contract about an increase if the cap increases?

Hence why I asked.

 

[JessEel]

oh god i hope not, theres a host of players i'd rather farewell before Sandow.

Sandow does some stupid things, im not defending that, but you can see just under the surface how good a player he is, its just waiting to come out.
As someone above said, give him an offseason under a master coach and a strong forward pack with some enthusiasm he can feed off, and it'll be a whole new ball game.

 

[oldmancraigy]

Hence why I asked.

Actually it read as if you implied - which you seem to do often on the salary front.
Somehow you seem to think that it's impossible for people to have a fairly good understanding of a particular contract simply because you yourself don't know.

Of course if someone actually DID know something on this front, then the reason would be that they had a good reason for knowing. Of course if they were to tell us that good reason for knowing, then they may never again have a good reason for knowing.
;-)

Take it for what it's worth, Russell Crowe was telling tall tales on Sandow, and the first bloke reported it right.

 

[oldmancraigy]

Sandow does some stupid things, im not defending that,

Don't worry - he's not defending either


(ok that was a weak attempt)

 

[IFR33K]

$2 million over four years is good value.

#KeepTryingBut

No it isn't. Not based on his 2012 performances, regardless of what the cap goes up by.

Like ME stated, what's to say his salary doesn't jump another 20% with the increase in cap.

Sandow is, and will remain a huge gamble, regardless of what u say.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

What if he has something in his contract about an increase if the cap increases?

How do you know what he's on?

Ok. So if he's not getting about half a million bucks a year, how much do you reckon he's on? And if you're not comfortable making an educated guess, does that mean others also shouldn't be?

 

[cv8z]

No it isn't. Not based on his 2012 performances, regardless of what the cap goes up by.

Like ME stated, what's to say his salary doesn't jump another 20% with the increase in cap.

Sandow is, and will remain a huge gamble, regardless of what u say.

any player can be a gamble
Sandow has been better value than W Tonga

 

[Poupou Escobar]

No it isn't. Not based on his 2012 performances, regardless of what the cap goes up by.

Like ME stated, what's to say his salary doesn't jump another 20% with the increase in cap.

Sandow is, and will remain a huge gamble, regardless of what u say.

He was as good as he was last year, and he did it with less support. Once we strengthen our pack he will be an awesome player.

 

[Gronk]

He was as good as he was last year, and he did it with less support. Once we strengthen our pack he will be an awesome player.

Bring on 2014 or 15 then. \\\\/

 

[Maroubra Eel]

Ok. So if he's not getting about half a million bucks a year, how much do you reckon he's on? And if you're not comfortable making an educated guess, does that mean others also shouldn't be?

I reckon half a mill sounds about right.
Wouldn't surprise me if he has something in his contract that increases it if the salary cap goes up.

 

[emjaycee]

oh god i hope not, theres a host of players i'd rather farewell before Sandow.

Sandow does some stupid things, im not defending that, but you can see just under the surface how good a player he is, its just waiting to come out.
As someone above said, give him an offseason under a master coach and a strong forward pack with some enthusiasm he can feed off, and it'll be a whole new ball game.

This.

(She doesnt post here much anymore, but the quality has never lapsed.)

 

[IFR33K]

He was as good as he was last year, and he did it with less support. Once we strengthen our pack he will be an awesome player.

IIRC, last year sandow carried souths in the back half of the comp, with a decimated forward pack.

Completely different to the sandow of 2012, where we needed him to step up in games. Games that come to mind are sharks and newcastle, where the game was in the balance, and we lost.

Sandow is an asset no doubt, but he definitely needs to work on his d.