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So until this reason comes to light, every must just sit oin their hands, and not form an opinion in the meantime? Right...
He asked for and was granted permission (and still remained under the control of the Parramatta club) at each step of the way, and the Parramatta club was compensated for his loss.
I was disappointed in Jamie when he did return (to Manly) after talking upin teh press the possibility of coming back to Parra to make up for his absence. So no ros-ecoloured glasses here. But Sonny has literally walked out on his club, without permission (obviously, or the Bulldogs would have come out and said the granted permission for him to miss training and tonight's game) and without the club being compensated or agreeing to the actions being taken by their contracted player.
Yawn.
If that is true, the difference remains that SBW wasn't granted it... and didn't come back with an alternative that was granted. He just walked away mid-week without contact with his club. Apparently the media is cliaming he had lunch the day before with new coach Moore and captain Ryan, and didn't say a word about it.
There's a difference between moral and legal loyalty. Nowhere am I saying Lyon acted morally, I'm just saying he acted within the legalities of his contract situation. It seems SBW couldn't give too hoots about even trying to.
Irrelevent to what? To some idea that we can't have opinions on the similarity or difference between events until the same amount of time has passed since each of them?
Whatever. But what is actually your point in claiming they are no different? Do you think SBW doing this is OK, and want him to be seen in an equal light to Lyon's earlier actions? Or were you personally so upset about Lyon's actions that you hate to see him trumped holding the title of league's Judas?
Oh diddums. Getting upset as to how people express themselves on an internet forum... I'm taking umbrage with your arrogant approach to question any opinion (other than your own) on the spurious basis that there might be some things we learn in hindsight that make any current judgement invalid.
That is correct. I haven't needed much info to realise that one guy was excused from his club training and next round game, and the other wasn't. Is that where we are at cross purposes? Do you believe that Parramatta didn't grant Lyon some time off initially after Round 1?
I accept that is your opinion. However your dismissal of points that suggest that summary is a bit short-sighted has been for from robust, in my opinion.
I was stating an opinion that there seems to be a lot more people in rugby league upset at SBW's actions - at this point in time - than there seemed upset at Lyon's actions, at the equivalent point in time. And you are disagreeing with that assessment, have I got you right?
The Bulldogs had no choice in what stance to take, as their player wewas not in contact with them - a fundamental difference I would propose? If the only similarity is that the two players were both disatisfied, then yes I have to give you that. But that ignores differences in the overall situation, imo.
Fair enough. It was there and I responded to it, because I didn't think it was a robust way of discussing the differing opinions. Some might even label it... arrogant?
Based on five days worth of information, yes I can see differences, as I have explained in this thread. Whether you choose to acknowledge them is entirely your choice. But you appear to be dismissing them just because it's only been 5 days? Again, not a robust argument for the opinion that the situations are similar, imo.
Well that's what this thread is about, isn't it. Obviously the person who wrote the thread thought there were some similarities. I've given you one above, the general similarity that two players were each dissatisfied. But there are vast differences in how each player seems to have approached this situation, imo.
Of course the original opinion/point was valid. But not exclusively valid! I'm arguing that they are different, and showing how - another valid (albeit different) opinion! There can be more than one valid opinion - which is why I thought I'd add mine to the thread. I didn't realise I wasn't allowed :lol:
I know, I lived through it. He wasn't the first, and won;t be the last. Neither will SBW. They're just the two highest profile examples of disatisifed players in recent years. But that doesn't mean that all facets of their situations can just be airbrushed as similar to me.
OK.
