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SBW will not play again this year

sass

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That's a ridiculous analogy because the career span of someone in the legal system is about 3 - 4 times longer than a football player.

You're obviously smart enough to know how the legal system works, so I'd like to think you're smart enough to work out the different situations between the two scenarios.

What you're suggesting is writing it into contracts that any player is able to leave at 22 or 23... they play overseas for 2 years... and thats it.

What if they don't want to come back because the money's better over there? What if clubs back in Australia don't want to keep them under contract due to the salary cap? What if they want to come back but their clubs don't want them because they cannot fit them in the squad? How do we register contracts along these lines? Is it through the NRL, or each individual club?

I would suggest that if they don't want to come back because they only care about the money, then they would have gone regardless, so nothing is lost or gained.

if the club back here can't fit them under their salary cap then ... they can't fit them under the salary cap. that happens all the time in nrl, no changes there. same with fitting players into certain positions. the beauty of actually permitting overseas playing sabbaticals is that clubs can plan ahead in terms of signings and salary predictions.

it makes things a lot easier than suddenly having a player like gaz, for example, pick up and head overseas after a few months of cloak and dagger discussions and then realise because the club didn't know about it they've now lost a player like josh morris.

contracts could be -signed by the player and their club, but it would definitely help if the nrl hammered out guidelines or advice on how it could be implemented.
 

sass

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as I said, it's not my ideal situation, but as an idea I like it a lot more than what's happening now.
 

t-ba

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I'm with you that the third party payment rules should change. but even if they do sonny bill is a special case. I don't think there's anyone else in the game who is as marketable as he is (when he doesn't talk at least).

I would say gaz is a distant second to him and they're both miles ahead of the rest of the boys in terms of commercial presence.

even if the rules do change all the other players who might be offered union contracts will be offered much much more than they can earn from the nrl and third party contracts combined.

Doubt it. You only have to look at how quickly clubs developed revenue streams in the earlier part of this decade to spend to the salary cap to see that the clubs are capable of paying players more. The current system provides no incentive beyond being able to spend beyond the cap and as a consequence, the clubs are lazy. Clubs will find ways to pay more and nearly all will survive the process.
 

Shorty

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Yeah Geyer is angry,LOL!
Does anyone else think that Gallop constantly dances around the point?
 

eastsrule

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Wiedler defending the undefendable.
For once MG is 100% right.

He isn't defending it necessarily. He is stating what he has heard.

By stating an opinion other than "he is a f**kin dog" like what MG is saying (which isn't wrong), is not defending SBWs actions.
 

Shorty

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What the f**k is Weilder doing?
I'm sure we can understand Sonny's situation but the way he has gone about it is complete and utterly wrong.
 

sass

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Doubt it. You only have to look at how quickly clubs developed revenue streams in the earlier part of this decade to spend to the salary cap to see that the clubs are capable of paying players more. The current system provides no incentive beyond being able to spend beyond the cap and as a consequence, the clubs are lazy. Clubs will find ways to pay more and nearly all will survive the process.

oh no I agree with you! I think the nrl's incompetence in particular is preventing the game making and keeping as much money as it is capable of. we could definitely bfind ways of paying players more.

but I'm saying even if third party rules change, as rugby league stands now in australia, we can't compete financially.
 

no name

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He isn't defending it necessarily. He is stating what he has heard.

By stating an opinion other than "he is a f**kin dog" like what MG is saying (which isn't wrong), is not defending SBWs actions.

He was defending him and his decision to turn his back on his team mates.

"He had to go now and not tell his team mates."
Sounds like he is defending him there
 

eastsrule

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He was defending him and his decision to turn his back on his team mates.

"He had to go now and not tell his team mates."
Sounds like he is defending him there

No it doesn't.

He is not saying what he did is right. He is saying by what he knows (or thinks he knows) SBW had to do it.

He mentioned "for legal reasons". Maybe there was a deadline for a medical? There is probably a dozen reasons. we know only one thing is a fact, he is on a plane flying to Europe.
 

Shorty

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Well it's not a good look for League that on the show they have had a CEO that basically give any relief at all for a growing concern and that a journalist is now defending a player leaving the code in a less than desirable way.
 

Eels Dude

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I would suggest that if they don't want to come back because they only care about the money, then they would have gone regardless, so nothing is lost or gained.

if the club back here can't fit them under their salary cap then ... they can't fit them under the salary cap. that happens all the time in nrl, no changes there. same with fitting players into certain positions. the beauty of actually permitting overseas playing sabbaticals is that clubs can plan ahead in terms of signings and salary predictions.

it makes things a lot easier than suddenly having a player like gaz, for example, pick up and head overseas after a few months of cloak and dagger discussions and then realise because the club didn't know about it they've now lost a player like josh morris.

contracts could be -signed by the player and their club, but it would definitely help if the nrl hammered out guidelines or advice on how it could be implemented.

Something is lost. If you write it into every players contract that they're able to take up a 2 year deal overseas whenever they like, instead of going at 26 or 27, they'll be leaving at 23 or 24. As soon as overseas clubs realise they're worth something. Allowing "get out" clauses like this only make it worse. So instead of losing our best players at 27, we're losing them at 24... Please explain logically how that will work instead of just assuming it will.

Also... If players can leave when they will, how can clubs work within the salary cap for their roster for the following year. Say a club has tabled up their recruitment for 2009, then all of a sudden player (A) says he's going to go overseas. All of a sudden the club has 400k to spend... but no one to spend it one. Because most clubs try to work out arrangements earlier in the season. You are contradicting your own point.
 

Chapsta

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t-ba

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oh no I agree with you! I think the nrl's incompetence in particular is preventing the game making and keeping as much money as it is capable of. we could definitely bfind ways of paying players more.

but I'm saying even if third party rules change, as rugby league stands now in australia, we can't compete financially.

It'd take a couple of years tops. Raise the cap and clubs will grow. The average Sydney club was operating on $5m at the start of the decade...
 

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