Season Review

[maple_69]

Whilst I acknowledge that injuries have wrecked our season, I wonder if there is a way to add up the number of weeks that our top 25 NRL squad have been missing throughout the year. It's all very well saying that club has 7 players missing from their roster, but when club X has only been missing these player for a total of ten weeks between the 7 injured players, it pails into insignifigance to club Y that has only two players injured, but they have been out for a total of 40 weeks between them. Is there anyway that this could be worked out for the season?

I think it would be interesting to see how many weeks that penrith players have accumulated over 2015 and compare this to other clubs.

Tom.

I did this back when Whare and Wallace went down a few weeks ago. I was sick and I felt compelled to spend an hour doing this.

I no doubt missed a few. Also the numbers down the bottm differentiate those games lost where I think the player would have actually been in the team if they weren't injured and just any injuriy. So James Fisher-Harris wasn't included for example.


Round 1- Nigel Plum, Josh Mansour

Round 2- Nigel Plum, Josh Mansour, Kieran Moss

Round 3- Nigel Plum, Jamie Soward, Kieran Moss, Ben Murdoch Masila

Round 4- Nigel Plum, Jamie Soward, Kieran Moss, James Segeyaro, George
Jennings, James Fisher-Harris, Adam Docker, Ben Murdoch Masila

Round 5- Nigel Plum, Jamie Soward, Kieran Moss, James Segeyaro, George
Jennings, James Fisher-Harris, Isaac John, Adam Docker, Ben Murdoch Masila

Round 6- Jamie Soward, Kieran Moss, Dean Whare, Peter Wallace, Api Koroisau, Adam Docker, Ben Murdoch Masila

Round 7- Jamie Soward, Kieran Moss, Dean Whare, Peter Wallace, Jamal Idris, Lewis Brown, Elijah Taylor, Adam Docker, Ben Murdoch Masila, James
Fisher-Harris

Round 8- Jamie Soward, Kieran Moss, Dean Whare, Peter Wallace, Jamal Idris, Lewis Brown, Elijah Taylor, Adam Docker, Ben Murdoch Masila, James Fisher-Harris, Tupou Sopoaga

Round 9- Kieran Moss, Dean Whare, Peter Wallace, Jamal Idris, Adam Docker, Ben Murdoch Masila, James Fisher-Harris, Josh Mansour

Round 10- Kieran Moss, Dean Whare, Peter Wallace, Jamal Idris, Adam Docker, Ben Murdoch Masila, James Fisher-Harris, Josh Mansour, Brent Kite

Round 11-BYE

Round 12- Kieran Moss, Dean Whare, Jamal Idris, Adam Docker, Ben Murdoch Masila, James Fisher-Harris, Josh Mansour, Brent Kite

Round 13- Jamal Idris, Ben Murdoch Masila, James Fisher-Harris Josh Mansour, Brent Kite, George Jennings, Matt Moylan, Jamie Soward, Robert Jennings

Round 14- BYE

Round 15- Jamal Idris, Ben Murdoch Masila, James Fisher-Harris, Josh Mansour, Brent Kite, George Jennings, Matt Moylan, Robert Jennings, Adam Docker

Round 16- Jamal Idris, Ben Murdoch Masila, James Fisher-Harris, Brent Kite, George Jennings, Matt Moylan, Robert Jennings, Adam Docker, James Segeyaro

Round 17- Jamal Idris, Ben Murdoch Masila, James Fisher-Harris, Brent Kite, George Jennings, Matt Moylan, Robert Jennings, Adam Docker, James Segeyaro

Round 18- Jamal Idris, Ben Murdoch Masila, James Fisher-Harris, Brent Kite, George Jennings, Matt Moylan, Robert Jennings, Adam Docker, James Segeyaro, Josh Mansour

Round 19- Jamal Idris, James Fisher-Harris, Brent Kite, George Jennings, Matt Moylan, Adam Docker, Josh Mansour

Round 20- Jamal Idris, James Fisher-Harris, Brent Kite, George Jennings, Matt Moylan, Adam Docker, Josh Mansour, Dallin Watene-Zelezniak, David Simmons- 141

Round 21-Jamal Idris, Brent Kite, George Jennings, Matt Moylan, Adam Docker, Dallin Watene-Zelezniak, David Simmons, Dean Whare, Peter Wallace, Nigel Plum

Round 22- Jamal Idris, Brent Kite, George Jennings, Matt Moylan, Dallin Watene-Zelezniak, David Simmons, Dean Whare, Peter Wallace, Nigel Plum, Robert Jennings

Round 23- Jamal Idris, Brent Kite, George Jennings, Matt Moylan, Dallin Watene-Zelezniak, Dean Whare, Peter Wallace, Robert Jennings, Stanton Albert, Waqa Blake

Round 24- Jamal Idris, Brent Kite, George Jennings, Matt Moylan, Dallin Watene-Zelezniak, Dean Whare, Peter Wallace, Robert Jennings, Stanton Albert

Round 25- Jamal Idris, Brent Kite, Dallin Watene-Zelezniak, Peter Wallace, Robert Jennings, Stanton Albert, Elijah Taylor

Round 26- Brent Kite, Dallin Watene-Zelezniak, Peter Wallace, Robert Jennings, Stanton Albert, Elijah Taylor- 192


Spine games lost so far- 33
Total Time Lcoked in for the season- 192 games
Real games locked in for this season- 128 games

Wallace- 11
Soward- 7
Segeyaro- 5
Moylan- 12

13 games so far with at least half the spine out, 13 locked in to be out
7 games so far with at least one of the spine out, 9 games locked in
2 games so far with full spine, 2 games locked in

 

[Doomednow]

It's not luck. Not for this many years. There is some area we can do better in, and the most likely candidate is strength and conditioning. They certainly aren't giving us many reasons to keep them around. We wouldn't be losing much by punting them.

We can point to poor performances outside of injuries but to believe the disruptions to the team lists played no part in those is ridiculous. If we get the injuries the top 4 have seen this year we would likely be a semi final team again at least.

The club needs to sort this shit out.

 

[chrisD]

Moylan got injured, our front row is garbage.

 

[betcats]

Whether its luck or some kind of failing within the club it is certainly an area we need to do better in because most years we cant compete with the injury toll we have. The club hopefully is looking at ways to improve because another season like this next year and things will get very ugly.

 

[ACTPanthers]

because Waqa Blake wrecked out season.

Wow... There's so much stupid in this quote it's almost unbelievable

Blake has been crap, yes - There's no other way to put it - But, there is no way, in any shape or form, that he has been the sole reason our season has gone the way it has - It has been an amalgamation of injuries, poor form and lack of experience due to said injuries.

Whether its luck or some kind of failing within the club it is certainly an area we need to do better in because most years we cant compete with the injury toll we have. The club hopefully is looking at ways to improve because another season like this next year and things will get very ugly.

This. No matter our opinions on the actual cause of the injury crisis we find ourselves in most seasons, it's something that most definitely needs to be reviewed

 

[Big Mick]

Well when a strength and conditioning department don't believe in Sports Science I guess this is the result it yields.

Yes it is largely luck...but we aren't doing enough to prevent injuries either.

This isn't Rocky and it isn't a movie. Old school is exactly that. Take advantage of every legal scientific benefit you can.

 

[Pomoz]

I have said this before, so forgive me for repeating myself, but it bears saying again. The "we have no hamstring tears, all good, nothing to see here argument" is just to simplistic and wrong. If our players aren't strong enough, they will sustain joint and impact injuries.

For the purpose of making a point, I will use an extreme. Imagine sending a 55kg 16 year old boy to take the first hit up against Kasiano and Klemmer. Approximately 250kgs of testosterone fuelled props who bench press hatchbacks and small dwellings. The 55kg runt is going to be bent in half probably breaking something. Klemmer slams him waist high with Kasiano around the legs and his medial ligaments give way. The usual comment would be "not a soft tissue injury, all good".

Now just progress that up to first grade level. A 100kg bloke can still be not strong enough to withstand impacts if he isn't trained correctly. His quads are too weak, his core isn't strong enough. Too many bicep curls and bench presses, not enough squats and deadlifts. Jennings was a perfect example where he was bent double and wasn't strong enough to stop himself from being folded like a pretzel and tore his hamstrings (I put this down to age, not training but it illustrates the point - you need a certain level of strength). Could they have done that to Josh Mansour?

I don't know whether Ronny is any good or not, but I would at least like an independent review from somebody hired outside the club. They have no vested interest and can compare our training to other clubs.

 

[maple_69]

Regardless of whether the staff are top blokes and seen to be doing a good job the same logic that applies to head coaches should be applied to them. We are not getting results, the coach eventually goes. We are not getting a break from injuroes, we need a change in staff and how we are doing things. With the squad Gus and Ivan have assembled, the key coaches in Cleary and Brennan, and the junior production line in full steam we have a better chance than any club to be a force for the next decade. To piss that into the wind because we can't keep players on the park would be a travesty. More than ever the competition is survival of the fittest. Keep your squad and key players fit and you will likely be in the mix. With the way things have panned out i think it adds weight to the argument to get Moylan into the halves for Wallace who is getting on and now terribly injury prone.

 

[Blues Riff]

But,but,but penrith fans said blake was a future immortal

We were hoping for Blake to have a breakout year, but no Penrith fan ever said that. At least none of us put a grand on Sandow to win the Dally M.

 

[TheFrog]

But,but,but penrith fans said blake was a future immortal

Blake will never be an immortal. Penrith players just don't get made immortals. Parra players either for that matter.

Nothing he's done this season stops him being a Dally M or Churchill medal winner though, although they don't like giving those gongs to Panthers either.

Unlike the other bets you've won on here, it's going to take at least another 10 years for you to be right on this one Rhyno.

 

[Doomednow]

Can anyone confirm Ronnie Palmer is gone to Manly next year. I'll be interested to see what effect it has on us and them. Maybe nothing, but that would be interesting too.

 

[Thirsty Panther]

Can anyone confirm Ronnie Palmer is gone to Manly next year. I'll be interested to see what effect it has on us and them. Maybe nothing, but that would be interesting too.

The mole thinks it's happening.

http://rugbyleagueweek.com.au/moles-monday-scoops-49/

Sportal has it as a rumour too.

http://www.sportal.com.au/league/nr...n-stoush-turns-ugly/13i6v36v5lug1ba8qol161zux

And another.

http://makingthenut.com/from-the-couch-round-17-5/

Don't know if each of these sites have their own sources or whether they are just repeating someone else's info.
This one also has Idris going to the Tigers next year.

 

[Pomoz]

I'll pack his bags for free and shout him the taxi.

 

[betcats]

Can anyone confirm Ronnie Palmer is gone to Manly next year. I'll be interested to see what effect it has on us and them. Maybe nothing, but that would be interesting too.

If Ronnie alone could cause this kind injury toll year after year he would of been found out by now imo. I doubt we will see anything that could considered conclusive from just his move if it happens.

 

[Doomednow]

If Ronnie alone could cause this kind injury toll year after year he would of been found out by now imo. I doubt we will see anything that could considered conclusive from just his move if it happens.

But if his doctrine is all "old school" as I've heard then a new coach could change the whole strength and conditioning philosophy/methods. That could make a change. I got mad respect for Ronnie 's legacy but I'm worried he's prescribing leeches when he should be giving panadol, if you catch my meaning.

Of course my assumptions could be entirely wrong. I just want them to try some changes, and I don't think our S&C staff have done anything to demand we keep them.

 

[forby]

Could we please stop blaming Ronnie Palmer for the injuries this year! To suggest that Jennings was not strong enough when he got bent double is just BS. It was a bad tackle and it would have injured anybody. Strength and conditioning would not have prevented the Idris, Moylan, Whare, Wallace or Jennings injuries. If they could there would be never be another injury to arm, leg, ankle, elbow, shoulder etc.

 

[Doomednow]

I dunno. Can we please stop blaming luck for 5 ish consecutive years of crippling injury tolls?

 

[umina panther]

If you always do what you've always done you'll always get what you always got. Time for change

 

[betcats]

I dunno. Can we please stop blaming luck for 5 ish consecutive years of crippling injury tolls?

Ronnie hasnt been here for that long. Im happy for their to be change but if we sack everyone and hire new people and still get lots of injuries are we gonna sack all them again? Change doesnt have to mean the people. Ypu have to positive that is the cause of it because it is an expensive prospect replacing everyone.

 

[ACTPanthers]

Could we please stop blaming Ronnie Palmer for the injuries this year! To suggest that Jennings was not strong enough when he got bent double is just BS. It was a bad tackle and it would have injured anybody. Strength and conditioning would not have prevented the Idris, Moylan, Whare, Wallace or Jennings injuries. If they could there would be never be another injury to arm, leg, ankle, elbow, shoulder etc.

So, what/who is to blame then? And if you say luck, I have these magic beans to sell you...