Season Review

[betcats]

If you always do what you've always done you'll always get what you always got. Time for change

I think something probably has to change but the club has take the time to find out what exactly. A well run business doesn't just replace a whole department on the hope that it yields better results, that is just pissing money away.

 

[Pomoz]

Could we please stop blaming Ronnie Palmer for the injuries this year! To suggest that Jennings was not strong enough when he got bent double is just BS. It was a bad tackle and it would have injured anybody. Strength and conditioning would not have prevented the Idris, Moylan, Whare, Wallace or Jennings injuries. If they could there would be never be another injury to arm, leg, ankle, elbow, shoulder etc.

Sorry, I have to disagree. Strength is crucial in preventing injuries. You have to be able to hold your body position inn the wrestle. Jennings was turned over and forced into that position. I'll say it again, would Josh Mansour have been bent over like that? Don't put words in my mouth, I never suggested that strength will prevent all injuries, but it helps. Answer this, would a 50kg guy last long without getting hurt in first grade? You choose to ignore strength as a factor. That is just BS.

Incidentally, in respect of Jennings, I did say he may not be strong enough yet because he is still only 19 and needs to build up a bit more, it may not be training.

It is not just this year. It is also the year before. The club tops the injury count two years in a row and it is just bad luck? I have a bridge that you may want to buy, it has views of the opera house.

 

[Pomoz]

I think something probably has to change but the club has take the time to find out what exactly. A well run business doesn't just replace a whole department on the hope that it yields better results, that is just pissing money away.

True, but a well run business will not continue to damage its assets (the players) with poor processes and will invest to protect them. A fish rots from its head. Start at the top and get a new head trainer with a proven track record. They will review the department and make changes were needed.

 

[maple_69]

We've been in the bottom four of teams in terms of injuries for the last 5 years. If we're in the bottom four of the table for the last 5 years do you think we'd change our coaching team?

Whether it's the answer or not, Palmer and his team have not got results and a change is needed. Maybe it won't be the answer but I'd rather try and find out. This is a results driven industry and we are not getting them.

 

[betcats]

And if the next bunch do no better? Changing everyone without really looking at what the problem is may well make things worse.
And why is Ronnie getting all the blame? It could be the physio, the doctor, the coaches ignoring advice and pushing to hard etc Ronnie is just an easy target for frustrated fans have a go at. Kneejerk reactions rarely work out well and changing our S&C staff without having a proper look at the problem is a kneejerk reaction.

 

[BxTom]

And if the next bunch do no better? Changing everyone without really looking at what the problem is may well make things worse.
And why is Ronnie getting all the blame? It could be the physio, the doctor, the coaches ignoring advice and pushing to hard etc Ronnie is just an easy target for frustrated fans have a go at. Kneejerk reactions rarely work out well and changing our S&C staff without having a proper look at the problem is a kneejerk reaction.

+1

Tom.

 

[ACTPanthers]

Palmer cannot be the sole reason for the injuries agreed - The S&C team needs to be looked at as a whole - Not just the staff, but the processes as well - There's obviously something wrong with some part of the process, they just need to find it.

What I do have a slight annoyance with, is the constant "It's just bad luck!" arguments that some people seem content with believing - That, and the apparent lack of interest into the problem from the club (I say this as I haven't heard any reports that it's being looked at, and the fact Gus has said he thinks it's just luck)

 

[betcats]

I don't think so myself but it very well could be bad luck, how do you know it isn't ACTpanthers? There is no universal law saying we cant have bad luck for years.

 

[ACTPanthers]

I don't think so myself but it very well could be bad luck, how do you know it isn't ACTpanthers? There is no universal law saying we cant have bad luck for years.

I get your point mate, I don't know for sure and it probably is a little unfair of me to be a smart arse to those who do believe that - My main point is that, if we just keep saying it's bad luck, and don't change anything, then nothing will change - How many more years of bad luck do we go through before someone investigates, and finds there's an underlying issue with our preparation? Is it being looked at by the club? It seems to me from what I have seen, that it's going to be ignored and the administration is just going to cross their fingers and hope - I guess I'm just a little frustrated at the lack of caring that this issue seems to be getting from the club - I just really don't want to have to go through the whole season next year thinking of what could have been again.

 

[betcats]

I get your point mate, I don't know for sure and it probably is a little unfair of me to be a smart arse to those who do believe that - My main point is that, if we just keep saying it's bad luck, and don't change anything, then nothing will change - How many more years of bad luck do we go through before someone investigates, and finds there's an underlying issue with our preparation? Is it being looked at by the club? It seems to me from what I have seen, that it's going to be ignored and the administration is just going to cross their fingers and hope - I guess I'm just a little frustrated at the lack of caring that this issue seems to be getting from the club - I just really don't want to have to go through the whole season next year thinking of what could have been again.

Well said mate I agree with all of that pretty much. I just think we need to be careful calling for peoples heads when we don't really know what is happening. That being said I would be pretty f**king angry to find out the club is not looking for ways to improve or planning some kind of review of that whole area.

 

[Kilkenny]

Mr and Mrs Kilkenny venture overseas for a seven week holiday in the U.S.A/Canada and our season turn's pear shaped. No top four. No top eight. Return home to find us competing for the wooden spoon.

What has gone so wrong after such as positive 2014?

Well our well documented injuries woes have played a major role that is not in doubt.

It would appear some seem to lay blame at the higher than normal injuries are the responsibility of the training and conditioning staff? There may be some truth to that although I do not share that view.

I was optimistic our depth would have stood us in good stead this season even if we were beset by unfortunate injuries but at the end of the day the most important injuries occurred in the spine, the 1,6,7 and 9 We lost our first choice wingers and centres as well and many of our key forwards were out for extended periods as well.

Sadly, whatever the reason, the cause, the blame game for who was responsible for our injuries the fact is we sustained an extraordinary number of injuries to key players, in key positions and ultimately this caused our season to fail. Fail miserably.

Season over.

We remain optimistic for 2016 given we do actually have a young developing player roster with outstanding talents but doubts remain about our key positions in the 6 and 7.

Jamie Soward still has something to offer our side fit and injury free but this is a 'BIG' if.

Peter Wallace is at the back end of his career, has had serious knee issues and there are serious concerns whether he can rediscover anything like the form necessary to play a key role in 2016.

As Mr and Mrs Kilkenny always do we will look forward to 2016 with renewed optimism. There are a host of youngsters who will improve 100% on what we have seen this season. Some astute signings, with more to come no doubt.

Fit and injury free we look really good in forwards and backs. Can our aging 6 & 7 regain fully fitness and deliver next season that is the questions. If not do we have the players in our lower ranks capable of stepping up to fill the void?

The five year plan is looking more like a seven year plan.

I am optimistic of better times in 2016 before winning the big one in 2018.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

Can our aging 6 & 7 regain fully fitness and deliver next season that is the questions.

Short answer? No. At least, not with Wallace. We have to hope Moylan gets drafted in there next season and does well, and then that young guy from the Tigers lives up to his promise in subsequent seasons.

Otherwise, we'll be making up the numbers again.

 

[CCJohnC]

Perhaps we should also go for Robbie Farah imagine him and Segeyaro for a season. Look what Ennis has done for Sharks.

 

[umina panther]

No way in the world do we want that wanker at the club. Seg is an 80min player.and way better than Wobbie. We also in my opinion need 4 forwards on the bench

 

[betcats]

Relying on Wallace as a first choice half going forward is just asking for trouble.

 

[TheFrog]

Relying on Wallace as a first choice half going forward is just asking for trouble.

I've supported Wallace at various stages this year, but I think its time to put Moylan in the 6 with Soward in the 7. DWZ will be a fine custodian and Wallace will be a good depth player. Hard to drop your club captain, although it certainly won't be the first time at this club under this coach.

And while we're at it we need to persuade the bloke who plays his 200th game next week to go around again next year. He might not be flashy but he's the thinking man's winger.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

Watching the Tigers game it seems as if the universe is hellbent on setting up a Panthers-Knights battle for the spoon next week. If the Titans roll the Dragons.....look out.

 

[flash]

I think we will get the spoon now

 

[TheFrog]

We've got two games against fellow cellar dwellers remaining. We need to win just one of them to avoid the spoon. If we get it, it will be well deserved, injuries or no injuries.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

Yeah, if we beat Canberra, we are fine. Guess we'll see how much character our club has in the next two games.