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Seibold

Generalzod

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Every club that Bennett has gone to had the personal to take those teams to the Grand final, look what he had at Broncos basically the state of origin team, he goes to St George they had a team worthy of winning premiership and now he is at Souths and guess what he was given a great roster there, So is he really the super coach that everyone says he is???
 
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Seibold is as relevant as yesterday's news. Seibold is the most overrated coach ever to get a head coach appointment in the NRL. He will not see out one fifth of his contract if the Brisbane team's current form continues.
 

BranVan3000

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Every club that Bennett has gone to had the personal to take those teams to the Grand final, look what he had at Broncos basically the state of origin team, he goes to St George they had a team worthy of winning premiership and now he is at Souths and guess what he was given a great roster there, So is he really the super coach that everyone says he is???
Yes
 

sensesmaybenumbed

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Every club that Bennett has gone to had the personal to take those teams to the Grand final, look what he had at Broncos basically the state of origin team, he goes to St George they had a team worthy of winning premiership and now he is at Souths and guess what he was given a great roster there, So is he really the super coach that everyone says he is???
Newcastle proves that he needs the cattle.
 

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He's great his first year or two when his approach is still fresh, but after it wears off his teams become complacent & start to wane (pardon the pun).
 

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Well said. The only thing I'd add to that is they don't have a leader. They might be ok with the side they have if there was a player in the group that commanded enough respect to get the rest to follow them.
yep, boyd is bad enough as fb, let alone captain. They have to find a way to move him on, Seibold has shown far too much reluctance to make big changes & as long as boyd is fb & captain it's still Wayne's side.

Gillett could be captain tomorrow.
 
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Even Jack Gibson had a few fallow years at Sharks and Souths with < 50% win rates.

Wayne got a nothing Knights to a Preliminary Final in 2013 before the Tinkler implosion. <50% at Knights compared to over 60% in every other coaching stint.

It's always about cattle for all of them.
 

I Bleed Maroon

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Hypothetically speaking, here is what I HOPE has happened. Seibold has walked in, found a squad that wasn't overly happy with Bennett's departure to begin with, began implementing his own agenda as coach, immediately started copping pushback from the playing group in terms of attitude, then basically got them all together and said "Look, Wayne is gone, I'm in charge now and you will buy into that or ship off out of here.", which is exactly the attitude as coach he should be taking. HE is in charge, not the players. If they wanted to take issue with Bennett's sacking, they take it up with White, not Seibold, but clearly they weren't willing to do that because they knew White would tell them to grow up and get nicked.

The results of that are crystal clear: Kahu and McGuire are already gone (and question marks have always hung over Moose's attitude long before Seibold arrived), Nikorima is gone imo because he refused to be converted into a bench utility after being starting halfback for a whole season, and now Roberts is reportedly on the outer because he has always marched to the beat of his own drum, which Bennett allowed and Seibs clearly has not.

Individual fans will have their own opinions on this depending on which players they naturally gravitated towards that will depart/have departed, and that's fine, but you simply cannot deny that if things have played out like I wrote above, Seibold and the club have done the only thing they could have done. Judging by how everything has played out, I think Bennett had mentally checked out sometime around late 2017, probably due to internal machinations/club politics with White and the board (because if there's one thing Wayne Bennett is not foreign to, it's personality clashes born from power struggles), and as a result had allowed a culture of casual indifference to creep in to the squad, which has long been a suspicion of mine at least for quite awhile judging by their on field performances. The board noticed this and finally began taking action around mid 2018 when the media got a sniff of it. The rest is history.

If I am not far off the money, I am perfectly okay to stick by Seibold through hell and high water to get the players under his control. Personally, I will not tolerate a playing group that cares more about getting a free lunch than taking their role in the success of the team seriously. They are not there to put in a quality performance whenever they damn well feel like it, they're there to win premierships, and as far as I'm concerned, the aforementioned culture of indifference has long since outstayed its welcome.
 

Fufu Andronez

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Hypothetically speaking, here is what I HOPE has happened. Seibold has walked in, found a squad that wasn't overly happy with Bennett's departure to begin with, began implementing his own agenda as coach, immediately started copping pushback from the playing group in terms of attitude, then basically got them all together and said "Look, Wayne is gone, I'm in charge now and you will buy into that or ship off out of here.", which is exactly the attitude as coach he should be taking. HE is in charge, not the players. If they wanted to take issue with Bennett's sacking, they take it up with White, not Seibold, but clearly they weren't willing to do that because they knew White would tell them to grow up and get nicked.

The results of that are crystal clear: Kahu and McGuire are already gone (and question marks have always hung over Moose's attitude long before Seibold arrived), Nikorima is gone imo because he refused to be converted into a bench utility after being starting halfback for a whole season, and now Roberts is reportedly on the outer because he has always marched to the beat of his own drum, which Bennett allowed and Seibs clearly has not.

Individual fans will have their own opinions on this depending on which players they naturally gravitated towards that will depart/have departed, and that's fine, but you simply cannot deny that if things have played out like I wrote above, Seibold and the club have done the only thing they could have done. Judging by how everything has played out, I think Bennett had mentally checked out sometime around late 2017, probably due to internal machinations/club politics with White and the board (because if there's one thing Wayne Bennett is not foreign to, it's personality clashes born from power struggles), and as a result had allowed a culture of casual indifference to creep in to the squad, which has long been a suspicion of mine at least for quite awhile judging by their on field performances. The board noticed this and finally began taking action around mid 2018 when the media got a sniff of it. The rest is history.

If I am not far off the money, I am perfectly okay to stick by Seibold through hell and high water to get the players under his control. Personally, I will not tolerate a playing group that cares more about getting a free lunch than taking their role in the success of the team seriously. They are not there to put in a quality performance whenever they damn well feel like it, they're there to win premierships, and as far as I'm concerned, the aforementioned culture of indifference has long since outstayed its welcome.
Free lunch? There's a free lunch?
 

bull rider

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Hypothetically speaking, here is what I HOPE has happened. Seibold has walked in, found a squad that wasn't overly happy with Bennett's departure to begin with, began implementing his own agenda as coach, immediately started copping pushback from the playing group in terms of attitude, then basically got them all together and said "Look, Wayne is gone, I'm in charge now and you will buy into that or ship off out of here.", which is exactly the attitude as coach he should be taking. HE is in charge, not the players. If they wanted to take issue with Bennett's sacking, they take it up with White, not Seibold, but clearly they weren't willing to do that because they knew White would tell them to grow up and get nicked.

The results of that are crystal clear: Kahu and McGuire are already gone (and question marks have always hung over Moose's attitude long before Seibold arrived), Nikorima is gone imo because he refused to be converted into a bench utility after being starting halfback for a whole season, and now Roberts is reportedly on the outer because he has always marched to the beat of his own drum, which Bennett allowed and Seibs clearly has not.

Individual fans will have their own opinions on this depending on which players they naturally gravitated towards that will depart/have departed, and that's fine, but you simply cannot deny that if things have played out like I wrote above, Seibold and the club have done the only thing they could have done. Judging by how everything has played out, I think Bennett had mentally checked out sometime around late 2017, probably due to internal machinations/club politics with White and the board (because if there's one thing Wayne Bennett is not foreign to, it's personality clashes born from power struggles), and as a result had allowed a culture of casual indifference to creep in to the squad, which has long been a suspicion of mine at least for quite awhile judging by their on field performances. The board noticed this and finally began taking action around mid 2018 when the media got a sniff of it. The rest is history.

If I am not far off the money, I am perfectly okay to stick by Seibold through hell and high water to get the players under his control. Personally, I will not tolerate a playing group that cares more about getting a free lunch than taking their role in the success of the team seriously. They are not there to put in a quality performance whenever they damn well feel like it, they're there to win premierships, and as far as I'm concerned, the aforementioned culture of indifference has long since outstayed its welcome.

He might also just not be that good.
 
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It's Seibs voice.

They're bailing out because of that voice.

Also Issako has the worst case of 2nd Year Syndrome seen in many a year.
 

Yosemite Sam

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Every club that Bennett has gone to had the personal to take those teams to the Grand final, look what he had at Broncos basically the state of origin team, he goes to St George they had a team worthy of winning premiership and now he is at Souths and guess what he was given a great roster there, So is he really the super coach that everyone says he is???

I never understood how people say Bennett walked into a Premiership side at St George. In 2008 they had finished 7th and been belted in the first week of the finals. They were losing several strike players as well as Gasnier. Absolutely nobody rated them at the beginning of 2009, yet they went on to win the Minor Premiership.
 

Mr Spock!

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He's great his first year or two when his approach is still fresh, but after it wears off his teams become complacent & start to wane (pardon the pun).
Which is why you sign coaches for 3 years. Eg Gibson only did 3 year terms.

These clubs signing coaches for 5 years are being found out.
 

Spot On

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Hypothetically speaking, here is what I HOPE has happened. Seibold has walked in, found a squad that wasn't overly happy with Bennett's departure to begin with, began implementing his own agenda as coach, immediately started copping pushback from the playing group in terms of attitude, then basically got them all together and said "Look, Wayne is gone, I'm in charge now and you will buy into that or ship off out of here.", which is exactly the attitude as coach he should be taking. HE is in charge, not the players. If they wanted to take issue with Bennett's sacking, they take it up with White, not Seibold, but clearly they weren't willing to do that because they knew White would tell them to grow up and get nicked.

The results of that are crystal clear: Kahu and McGuire are already gone (and question marks have always hung over Moose's attitude long before Seibold arrived), Nikorima is gone imo because he refused to be converted into a bench utility after being starting halfback for a whole season, and now Roberts is reportedly on the outer because he has always marched to the beat of his own drum, which Bennett allowed and Seibs clearly has not.

Individual fans will have their own opinions on this depending on which players they naturally gravitated towards that will depart/have departed, and that's fine, but you simply cannot deny that if things have played out like I wrote above, Seibold and the club have done the only thing they could have done. Judging by how everything has played out, I think Bennett had mentally checked out sometime around late 2017, probably due to internal machinations/club politics with White and the board (because if there's one thing Wayne Bennett is not foreign to, it's personality clashes born from power struggles), and as a result had allowed a culture of casual indifference to creep in to the squad, which has long been a suspicion of mine at least for quite awhile judging by their on field performances. The board noticed this and finally began taking action around mid 2018 when the media got a sniff of it. The rest is history.

If I am not far off the money, I am perfectly okay to stick by Seibold through hell and high water to get the players under his control. Personally, I will not tolerate a playing group that cares more about getting a free lunch than taking their role in the success of the team seriously. They are not there to put in a quality performance whenever they damn well feel like it, they're there to win premierships, and as far as I'm concerned, the aforementioned culture of indifference has long since outstayed its welcome.


That's a lot of words to write the following....

The bloke inherited one of the worst spines in the comp. Been saying it for years.

Pushing shit up hill with those four in the 1,,6,7, and 9.
 

Travitoh

First Grade
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Every club that Bennett has gone to had the personal to take those teams to the Grand final, look what he had at Broncos basically the state of origin team, he goes to St George they had a team worthy of winning premiership and now he is at Souths and guess what he was given a great roster there, So is he really the super coach that everyone says he is???

I've not been Bennett's biggest fan over the years but the truth is that he has taken sides further than the coaches either side at those clubs have.
 

Travitoh

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That's a lot of words to write the following....

The bloke inherited one of the worst spines in the comp. Been saying it for years.

Pushing shit up hill with those four in the 1,,6,7, and 9.

Seibold was also in a position to make the necessary changes. All 4 are rep players but at least two of them are out of position in 2019.

Don't be shocked if Kodi flourishes alongside Green. He'll finish his career a better 6 than Milford.
 

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