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Seu Seu in trouble?

perverse

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Karmawave said:
Having said that, I have difficulty comprehending how one of his previous " transgressions " can be included on one of his " strikes " ( the assault at the club/pub ) when he is still going through the court process and is assumed innocent until proven guilty.

If he pleads guilty in court, or is found guilty in court for the assault charge, then by all means, include it as a ' strike '. Surely for now though, it shouldn't be included and play a part in this sacking?
that's a pretty good point. we'll just have to see how this unfolds over the next few days.
 

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Karmawave said:
No I can attest that isn't quite true :lol:

Dissenters aren't welcome, but that applies to Knights supporters and all alike. ;-)

Just don't dissent. :lol:
would you like a tissue princess?
 

roopy

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Tyne Owen.
I didn't rate him much last season despite him being picked for NSW, but the other night in the NYC trial they started with another bloke and the team looked like crap till Owen came on - and he had them organised in both attack and defence in minutes.
He is very like a young Bedsy - high workrate in attack and defence - gets the guys organised and the plays happening - often plays a full game.
He really does need to bulk up because he is Bedsy sized too - but i've been thinking for a while that he might overtake Terrence this year or next anyway.

Owen on the left - George Morseau in 14 - and how strong does Dobbo look this year in the background (Dobbins played all but a few minutes of the NYC game and was working hard the whole game).

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Another view of Owen showing that, like the rest of the NYC squad, he has been hitting the gym.

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roopy

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For anyone who loves a good conspiracy theory, there is another hooker/halfback in the NYC squad who Steve Burraston could rate - that Joel Burraston kid.
 

Karmawave

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He's not good enough either :lol: After seeing the Knights let him go to Souths ( North Sydney Bears ), I was suprised they let him come back. Looking after the family you think Roopy?
 

roopy

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Karmawave said:
He's not good enough either :lol: After seeing the Knights let him go to Souths ( North Sydney Bears ), I was suprised they let him come back. Looking after the family you think Roopy?
He is a good young player, and i think brains are under rated in RL - especially amongst playmakers, but i can't help feeling he would be playing for Macquarie if dad was still coaching them.

I was pleased to see him get another shot though. I think he hasn't had many chances since he took a year off to do the hunter institute of sport programme - except for Central who used him as a playmaker in firstgrade and won games with his class steering them around.

Not many years ago he was the next Johns and playing for australia.
 

Karmawave

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I'm leaving it alone.

I will say though, theres a massive step between SG Ball and first grade Roopy.

Never seen a centre carve up in SG Ball like Owen Craigie and Paul Franze used to do either.
 

Karmawave

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Back to Seu Seu, I implore the Knights to not rip up his contract and in doing so let another NRL club sign him immediately.

The only one who misses out then are the Knights. T would be happy, and so would his new club. It would only be the Knights losing out by ripping up his contract.

If they deem Tee to have done enough to be sacked from the club, I really ask the Knights to suspend him for the duration of the season - as opposed to ripping up his contract and making him a free agent to sign with any club who gives him a chance.

At least by suspending him for the season, he remains contracted to the Knights, and can earn his punishment the hard way - and in the process, ensuring no rival club can improve their depth.

Personally, I am concerned that the Knights will count his ' assault ' situation against him when the legal process is not complete and he remains officially innocent until proven otherwise.
 

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Seu Seu poised for dismissal
By BRETT KEEBLE

NEWCASTLE Knights chief executive Steve Burraston said the club would continue to support controversial hooker Terence Seu Seu even if they sacked him.

The 20-year-old former New Zealand A representative was charged with mid-range drink-driving in the early hours of Monday morning.

He will almost certainly have his contract terminated today when he fronts a Knights board meeting.

The Knights' disciplinary committee met yesterday and suspended Seu Seu from all duties, effective immediately, and recommended he face the board to explain his latest breach of the club's code of conduct.

The drink-driving charge is his third serious indiscretion within the past 12 months.

He has pleaded not guilty to an assault charge, which is still before the courts, and was fined and suspended by the Knights for an alcohol-related incident last Easter.

"This morning we had a disciplinary committee meeting which consisted of the board executive, myself and our football manager [Warren Smiles], and the outcome of that meeting was that we believe Terence does have a case to answer and he does need to front the full board," Burraston said yesterday.

"We want to make sure he is correctly represented in that meeting because it is a serious matter and we'd like to deal with it as soon as possible.

"Our articles [of association] say that we need to do that within five days, but hopefully it will be [today].

"We've suspended Terence immediately, pending the outcome of the full board meeting.

"Unfortunately, it's a repeat offence, and that's never nice, and it is a serious matter so we do have to deal with that swiftly and in a serious manner."

The board must decide whether to cut Seu Seu loose, knowing he would almost certainly be picked up by another NRL team or a Super 14 rugby union club, or allow him to stay and include a heavy fine, suspension and counselling as part of any disciplinary action.

Burraston said Seu Seu's welfare was important, but the Knights had gone to great lengths to improve their off-field image. The player's latest offence was contrary to that.

"We certainly have to consider the player's welfare, the opportunity to rehabilitate, whether or not we've given him enough chances and enough support, and then make a decision on his immediate future," he said.

"We've had a great build-up to 2008, we've trialled well in both the top grade and the NYC [national youth competition], we know from our testing we're bigger, we're stronger, we're faster, and there's a little air of confidence about us leading into the season, so you don't like these sorts of distractions.

"Not only that, we've gone a long way to change the culture of our organisation, and it runs in the face of that, so it's not the sort of distraction that you do want.

"That sort of behaviour is not acceptable to our club, and it won't be acceptable going forward.

"I think the board's made that clear and I've made it clear, and it's disappointing that we're at this point.

"We do provide counselling and we do provide rehabilitation when people find themselves in a bit of trouble, and I have to say that we will continue to do that with Terence, even if he is not with the club.

"If the board's decision eventually is that his contract will be terminated, from a management point of view we'll make sure we provide the right assistance for him if he wants it."

Burraston said the club would not introduce an alcohol ban or curfews and it was up to players to take responsibility for their own actions.

"We want responsible use of alcohol. We don't want to ban it," he said.

"We don't want to stop players enjoying their life, or going to dinner with their partner and having a glass of wine or something, but I think you have to be responsible, as all of us have to do, particularly when it comes to driving cars.

"That's a serious matter."

Rugby League Professionals Association chief executive Matt Rodwell said Seu Seu had declined the union's offer of legal support.

Rodwell said he met with the Knights on Monday and spoke yesterday to Scott Dureau, the club's RLPA delegate, "but Terence seems comfortable with his legal representation".

"The Knights are certainly offering him procedural fairness in this matter. He felt he's in capable hands, so we'll let it run its course," Rodwell said.

Knights coach Brian Smith would not comment.
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Father's unheeded words of advice provide stark backdrop for youngster
By ROBERT DILLON

TERENCE Seu Seu will learn a harsh lesson today if the Newcastle Knights board of directors tear up his contract.

But if the message had sunk in earlier, he would not be in such an unenviable position.

Knights officials and coach Brian Smith have twice previously had cause to read the riot act to the promising 20-year-old hooker.

But perhaps even more regrettable is that Seu Seu did not pay heed to some wise words from his father in a Herald interview 12 months ago.

At the time, he was preparing for his NRL debut against the Bulldogs in round one last season.

The Herald organised pictures of Seu Seu and his dad, Marty Lisiua, a hard-headed journeyman who was still playing first grade for Kurri Kurri last year . . . at the age of 37.

Asked if he had any counsel for his son, Lisiua replied: "I suppose my main advice has been don't make the same mistakes I made.

"I've had my chances, but I've made a lot of mistakes in my football career.

"I probably spent too much time socialising drinking and late nights and didn't really worry too much about football.

"I always dreamed about being successful, playing professionally, but I fell off track a bit."

A year on, Seu Seu must be wishing he had paid more attention to his father's sage guidance.

Since then he has been involved in a trifecta of alcohol-related incidents. And in this case it could well be a case of three strikes and he's out.

The first drama occurred last Easter when he was involved in an alleged altercation at a Newcastle hotel. He was stood down for a week, fined an undisclosed amount and admitted the episode was a wake-up call.

"I had too much to drink, but I've learnt a big lesson," he said at the time. "I know I've done the wrong thing and I just have to make sure it doesn't happen again."

Unfortunately, Seu Seu's pledge to remain squeaky clean was sounding embarrassingly hollow just a few months later when he was involved in an alleged scuffle at a Newcastle nightclub.

He has since been charged with assault but pleaded not guilty. That case is listed for mention in Newcastle Local Court on May 19.

Knights chief executive Steve Burraston admitted at the time that Seu Seu's future with the Knights was on thin ice.

"Anyone's contract is in jeopardy for unsavoury behaviour, there's no question about that," Burraston said.

". . . if you're going to set standards within a club, you can't be seen to be picking and choosing when to apply those standards.

"There is no question the club would be taking a close watch on what he did going forward."

By all accounts, Seu Seu had resolved to clean up his act after Burraston's warning.

He had trained strongly throughout the pre-season, was toeing the line and showing new-found maturity.

But his arrest for drink-driving in the early hours of Monday morning has left Newcastle officials in a no-win situation.

If they sack him and many fans will have little sympathy if that happens he will soon be snapped up by another club.

That is precisely why Canberra have given matchwinning playmaker Todd Carney so many chances.

Ditto Parramatta and Tim Smith.

Punting Seu Seu will merely present some other club with a potential star. And the chastening experience of being sacked should guarantee he is ripe for rehabilitation.

But if Newcastle's management do not resort to the ultimate sanction terminating his contract it sends a worrying message to his teammates and the community in general.

After last year's Andrew Johns revelations, the Knights have to portray a pristine image.

And nobody can argue that Seu Seu has not had sufficient warnings.
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KniGhTs BaTTLeR

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I didn't really think much of him last year, unless he has improved alot of the pre-season I say let him go.

We lack a bit of depth in the hooker department, when Bedsy is on origin duties or touch wood injured I can't see us coming up with a hooker that can organise the forwards, that's the only thing I think holding them back from giving him the boot.
 

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Knights sack Seu Seu for mid-range DUI

March 5, 2008 - 4:48PM

Newcastle have sacked hooker Terence Seu Seu just days after the NRL youngster was charged with a mid-range drink-driving offence.

The 20-year-old failed a random breath test in Newcastle early Monday morning and was called before the Knights board on Wednesday.

The Knights board voted to tear up his contract, taking into account Seu Seu's history of off-field indiscretions which includes an assault charge which is currently before the courts.

"To be faced with telling a talented young player his NRL career has finished with the Knights because of an off-field incident is one of the toughest calls a CEO will ever make," Knights chief executive Steve Burraston said.

"The Knights are the losers here.

"We have invested enormous resources in terms of time, money and education into the player and we know its likely that another club will benefit from that.

"Unfortunately this is not the first time Terence has been involved in an alcohol related incident and he was well aware that he was on his final warning."

Despite being shown the door, Seu Seu will continue to have access to the club's welfare and counselling resources with the Knights vowing to help the young Kiwi deal with his personal battles.
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