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Shane Watson Appreciation Thread

JJ

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El Diablo said:
the finals were between Aus and England, not NZ and England.

:lol: one team wins, the other's do not... on this occasion Aust did not, and look pretty shaky going into a World Cup :D

but if you're happy with the runner's up prize, good for you! :D
 

El Diablo

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JJ said:
:lol: one team wins, the other's do not...

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JJ said:
on this occasion Aust did not


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JJ said:
and look pretty shaky going into a World Cup :D

yet still your mob couldn't beat them

JJ said:
but if you're happy with the runner's up prize, good for you! :D

it's better than last. something your team had the honour of coming.
 

dice

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Stuart said:
Thats absolute bullsh*t. The 4 specialsist bowlers were McGrath/Bracken/Lee/Hogg, watson was the 5th. Your assertion taht if he was replaced by a specialist bowler we would have won, leaves us with a 5 man bowling attack, a formula that hasnt been used for a while and would have left our batting decidedly depleted. While in hidsight this didnt matter as we collapsed it does in the longer term. Your argument only works with a 5 man attack, if we play a 4 man attack and another batsman we would have had very little bowling (Clarke had a niggle and wasnt bowling), i dont know who you'd put at 7 but none of the options are good bowlers leaving Hussey and Hodge to bowl 10 overs. we can debate what if's till the cows come home, the fact is he played and we lost, not because of his bowling but because McGrath, Lee and Bracken also released pressure at cruicial time and a horrible batting collapse...

(We may still have lost with th 5 man attack, Clark, Johnson and Tait have all had expensive (off) games this season, who is to say they would have performed?)


We played the entire series with 4 specialist seamers and relied on part time spinners in Clarke/White/Symonds to make up the 5th bowler. We still had three part time spinners (Hodge can bowl) yet we opted to weaken our seamer lineup in favour of a "specialist" spinner. Great call that one.

If you can't see how a 4th specialist seamer would have done more for our team than the 1/183 and 60 odd runs achieved by Hogg and Watson then I really can't help you.
 

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dice said:
We played the entire series with 4 specialist seamers and relied on part time spinners in Clarke/White/Symonds to make up the 5th bowler. We still had three part time spinners (Hodge can bowl) yet we opted to weaken our seamer lineup in favour of a "specialist" spinner. Great call that one.

If you can't see how a 4th specialist seamer would have done more for our team than the 1/183 and 60 odd runs achieved by Hogg and Watson then I really can't help you.


And if you cant see that 20 overs from White, Hodge and Hussey would be a very risky move your deluding yourself.
 

dice

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Stuart said:
And if you cant see that 20 overs from White, Hodge and Hussey would be a very risky move your deluding yourself.

How is jagging ten overs from the part timer spinners in Clarke/Hodge/White any different to the ten overs they were getting out of Clarke/Symonds/White? I don't think they could have done much worse than Hogg and certainly not worse enough to justify losing a specialist seamer.
 

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dice said:
How is jagging ten overs from the part timer spinners in Clarke/Hodge/White any different to the ten overs they were getting out of Clarke/Symonds/White? I don't think they could have done much worse than Hogg and certainly not worse enough to justify losing a specialist seamer.

Clarke was/is injured and isnt bowling...

Symonds is a more reliable one day bowler than white and hodge and can be expected to shoulder the majority of those 10 overs without being too costly if the others fail.

The reason we dropped a seamer is the seamers are all quite similar, we have very little variety in our 4 man pace attack leaving it vunerable to players getting used to them and scoring very quickly, i think this is one of the reasons we have struggled so much in the latter overs, all our seamers are quite similar and once you get used to one your used to the rest, meaning they struggle to contain sides. It also means they really struggle to pick up wicket sin the middle overs when batsmen are set, this is why Hogg was selcted, to pick up wickets in the middle overs...

I also think our 4 man pace attack has failed to be consistent enough as a team, most games one of them goes for a few runs, they fail to fire together consistenly (at least this summer)...I think we have a definate problem with our attack, it doesnt look strong, with or without Hogg, with or without Watson. I think the selectors are desperately searching for someone to make our attack a little more consistent and a little more intimidating.

Saying that our weakness in the finals was our batting, the bowlers did an OK job in both games and were let down by our batsmen who look tired and disinterested, unless they turn it around we have no hope in the WC
 
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