She's gooooorne...

[Bulldog Power]

Say NO to INDO!
Say NO to INDO!
Say NO to INDO!
Say NO to INDO!
Say NO to INDO!
Say NO to INDO!
Say NO to INDO!
Say NO to INDO!

 

[Jae]

he's mad ron these days. crazy john stopped him using that name lol

:lol:

While people are talking about whether anyone would care if she was unattractive, has anyone heard anything from Renae Lawrence lately?

 

[Azkatro]

There may not be any conclusive evidence that she did, but nor is there any that she DIDNT do it.

So having drugs in your own bag doesn't count as conclusive evidence proving you're smuggling drugs? Well I'll be buggered!

 

[Bulldog Power]

Say NO to INDO!

 

[Snoop]

Gee this thread's opening my eyes somewhat. Some of the most ill-informed rubbish I think I've ever read on this forum in here - and that's saying something!

I was initially given the false impression that the Indonesian legal system was "guilty until proven innocent", but that was due to my lack of knowledge and implications from our media.

Think about it this way.

Schapelle Corby is captured at Australian customs with a boogie board bag which contains 4.1kg of marijuana. It is her bag.

What's going to happen in the trial?

She's going to have to prove that she didn't put it there, otherwise she's guilty. Simple!

Did Schapelle Corby's defense identify the person who did put the drugs there beyond reasonable doubt? No. Given that it's her bag, and she has it, the obvious presumption is that she put it there. Common sense, not a corrupt legal system.

Let it go!

Talk about ill-informed.

Your hypothetical about what would happen in Australian courts suggests that guilty until proven innocent is the way things are done here. You also mentioned reasonable doubt which is prevelant throughtout our legal system but almost non-existent in Indonesia. And why would a defense need to prove beyond reasonable doubt the real guilty party?

It seems common sense is not too common.

 

[millersnose]

Talk about ill-informed.

lets

Your hypothetical about what would happen in Australian courts suggests that guilty until proven innocent is the way things are done here.

and this differs from indonesia how?

You also mentioned reasonable doubt which is prevelant throughtout our legal system but almost non-existent in Indonesia.

tell me snoop

is indonesian law code writen in english?

And why would a defense need to prove beyond reasonable doubt the real guilty party?

they didnt

they had to come up with evidence that their defence - that it was planted there without her knowledge - used as its argument

It seems common sense is not too common.

particulairly with media hyped situations with pretty girls

 

[lockyno1]

The fact of the matter is her defence without any disrespect was very vague at the best! In Indonesian law you are not going to get off on heresay upon hersay evidence (evidence that John Ford gave). The defence should have really attacked the fingerprinting or lack of but that is what you get for hiring a young lawyer. I would expect a better lawyer for the appeal! Depite that it is hard to beleive she ONLY got 20 years even with mitigating factors. I feel sorry for Schapelle but the fact of the matter is there is no way they were going to aquit her!

 

[borat]

supposedly her brother was the one that picked it up and placed it for customs to inspect. if this is true and was the first time he touched it then that may explain the extra weight not being noticed.

strangely the defence never used him in the trial :?

Thats wrong El Diablo. The brother never touched it, he had his own bag.
She collected her bag and then headed off to customs. It was checked in through oversize luggage which is why it wasn't weighed in Brisbane which I reckon whe was counting on and she probably thought it would not be x rayed as well due to size.

I used to beleive her innocence but slowly as the press started to tell both sides of the story you can see the holes.

Transcript of court proceedings

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=51406

After it was put through the X-ray, the customs officer testified the bag was collected by the suspect and taken through the channel for goods not to be declared — through the green zone instead of the red zone. The customs officer is the main witness for the prosecution. His testimony was corroborated by one of his colleagues, however there were no fingerprinting or tapes, it's only their word. Importation of drugs is a danger to the Indonesians because of the current drug problems within the country.

SCHAPELLE CORBY: People were getting their luggage checked and I thought 'okay, maybe that's a normal thing because of all the terrorists and whatever' and so the guy that was checking the bags said to my younger brother, who is 17, he said, "Is that your boogie board?" "Yeah, I'm so excited. I'm having a holiday. I haven't been here for four years." And I've gone, "No, it's mine" and I've picked it up and put it on the counter. And, "Yeah, it's mine." And I've opened it up and I've just seen ... I don't know what it was, but I saw it's not — I didn't put it there. And as I closed it...

 

[borat]

The fact of the matter is her defence without any disrespect was very vague at the best! In Indonesian law you are not going to get off on heresay upon hersay evidence (evidence that John Ford gave). The defence should have really attacked the fingerprinting or lack of but that is what you get for hiring a young lawyer. I would expect a better lawyer for the appeal! Depite that it is hard to beleive she ONLY got 20 years even with mitigating factors. I feel sorry for Schapelle but the fact of the matter is there is no way they were going to aquit her!

If it was in Australia John Ford would not be allowed to testify. Hearsay isn't allowed in this country as evidence.

 

[lockyno1]

If it was in Australia John Ford would not be allowed to testify. Hearsay isn't allowed in this country as evidence.

I know, I study law. I was surprised they went to legths to get him, as his evidence was ALWAYS going to be dismissed anyway!

 

[El Diablo]

Thats wrong El Diablo. The brother never touched it, he had his own bag.
She collected her bag and then headed off to customs. It was checked in through oversize luggage which is why it wasn't weighed in Brisbane which I reckon whe was counting on and she probably thought it would not be x rayed as well due to size.

from http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2005/03/04/1109700677359.html

By the time Corby's party got through security and immigration, their bags were on the carousel. But not the boogie board. It had been set apart on the floor. Corby was struggling with her bag, so McComb told James to help his sister with the boogie board. Together, they took it to the customs counters where they would exit.

 

[borat]

Even if she was helped El Diablo tell me how she didn't notice the bulging sack from inside or the weight. It was never reported in court or by Schappelle herself that the brother carried it himself.

If my bag suddenly was alot heavier and looked like something was in it I would open it to see what it was immediately. If we were talking about a 20kg suitcase I might beleive her but a bag with 2 things in it, 1 of which is flat, and to then have 4.1kg added is beyond imagination.

 

[Sheros los Deros]

:lol:

While people are talking about whether anyone would care if she was unattractive, has anyone heard anything from Renae Lawrence lately?

Renae lawrence had herioin strapped to her body. We'll here a lot more about the Bali 9 when their court case comes up.

 

[El Diablo]

Even if she was helped El Diablo tell me how she didn't notice the bulging sack from inside or the weight. It was never reported in court or by Schappelle herself that the brother carried it himself.

I never said it was and have found it strange the defence never used him as a witness.

How do you know there was a bulge?

 

[Caged Panther]

. And why would a defense need to prove beyond reasonable doubt the real guilty party?

That was what I was thinking while the judges were making such a big deal about them not being able to identify the real culprit. They shouldn't have to identify the real culprit just prove that the stuff didn't belong to her, which they couldn't.

That's not to say i think she is guilty. But in all honesty I think the best she can hope for is to serve her sentence in australia.

And as for all this crap about we gave indonesia aid when they were hit by a tusnami and this is the repayment we get. The aid was a gesture of good will and not a $1 billion dollar bribe so australia could get what they want every time something goes wrong. If it were than the credibility of the indonesian judicial system really would be shot.

 

[Sheros los Deros]

Five things worry me most about the prosecutuion case. I'm am not satisfied that she is guilty.

The contimation of the bag for fingerprinting evidence
No weight being avaialable of Coryby's luggage at Brisbane.
Implication of baggage handlers in drug smuggling, active the same day Corby left for Bali.
Corby's history of drug use, or lack thereof.
Other travellers to Bali reporting drugs being put in their luggage.

I think the way this case has been investigated and tried is questionable, and incompetent. And may be a violation of the Human Rights Act.

If travelling overseas I would take extra precuations to have my luggage sealed.
If this case was referered to the DPP, I reckon they would throw it back to Police or customs and tell them to do a better job.

 

[Mong]

I wouldn't want my old mate Millers to face the legal system over there, in fact i wouldnt want his dog to have to face it, thats how bad it is.

 

[lockyno1]

Five things worry me most about the prosecutuion case. I'm am not satisfied that she is guilty.

The contimation of the bag for fingerprinting evidence
No weight being avaialable of Coryby's luggage at Brisbane.
Implication of baggage handlers in drug smuggling, active the same day Corby left for Bali.
Corby's history of drug use, or lack thereof.
Other travellers to Bali reporting drugs being put in their luggage.

I think the way this case has been investigated and tried is questionable, and incompetent. And may be a violation of the Human Rights Act.

If travelling overseas I would take extra precuations to have my luggage sealed.
If this case was referered to the DPP, I reckon they would throw it back to Police or customs and tell them to do a better job.

The fingerprinting will come into the appeal. I was surprised it was just mentioned. It should have been attacked. The weight you are talking about is the weight when she went from Bris-Syd-Bali (Denpassar). That was examined and pretty much dismissed as there is no CERTAIN facts. The other things you said come into the judgement as mitigating factors to help in sentencing but they will not find he innocent on those factors. As far as Indonesian law goes all they care about is the facts presented like any other court room, and unfortunately there was not enough proof to say that she was innocent. The appeal will be heard soon.

 

[N.Hindmarsh_Fan]

how dare those nasty slanty eyes find "our" schapelle guilty of a crime in their jurisdiction

aussies should be exempt from foreign laws

Thats exactly what they are, she was guilty of f**k all mate, no fingerprints, no evidence that they submitted was even seriously considered, I hope the whole country gets hit by a tidal wave, pieces of dirt.

 

[N.Hindmarsh_Fan]

Disgusting... and just when I thought we found the worst post of the week, you pop out of the screen.
Congratulations.

Your a moron, I hope the whole place sinks into the ocean, f**kin rats they are.