Should NRL expansion just be about TV $'s?

[alien]

Another team in an overcrowded NSW market .
So many lols .

it's crowded in sydney, not the central coast, dummy

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

Lol just lol .

 

[Perth Red]

Next two teams have to be Brisbane and Perth. I would not be surprised to see the nrl want to own the Perth team for the first few years to ensure good management in the difficult start up period.

No way with half of the current 10 nsw clubs financially in strife they are goi g to add an 11th in the smallest population area.

 

[alien]

Next two teams have to be Brisbane and Perth. I would not be surprised to see the nrl want to own the Perth team for the first few years to ensure good management in the difficult start up period.

No way with half of the current 10 nsw clubs financially in strife they are goi g to add an 11th in the smallest population area.

brisbane and perth would be fine, but i feel for the bears when they are a foundation club and were willing to relocate to the central coast, but weren't allowed back in when the northern eagles folded, yet clubs like melbourne (where hardly anyone plays league) kept getting propped up with millions of dollars. i do agree there are probably too many nrl clubs in sydney, but central coast are not a part of sydney imo, so it shouldn't effect them

 

[Perth Red]

Gosford is a small population with little corporate clout. If Newcastle on their doorstep, in a bigger city with a bigger fanbase in a better stadium are struggling what makes you think the Bears will be succesful? Agreed they got shafted but so did a lot of us!

re Melbourne do you really not see what value they add when they are getting 500k plus viewers for GF and Origins not to mention Storm being the most watched club on pay TV?

 

[alien]

re Melbourne do you really not see what value they add when they are getting 500k plus viewers for GF and Origins not to mention Storm being the most watched club on pay TV?

yes i do, and they should be in the comp too

 

[papabear]

imo they should bring in perth and brisbane 2
but both teams should use existing branding

I would probably go with the brisbane jets and perth bears.

The bears will bring fans to perth away games and give them a bit of history ala the swans.

 

[alien]

imo they should bring in perth and brisbane 2
but both teams should use existing branding

I would probably go with the brisbane jets and perth bears.

The bears will bring fans to perth away games and give them a bit of history ala the swans.

so the brisbane jets would be like the old newtown jets, but relocated??? that's not a bad idea. i thought that should have happened when the nrl added a melbourne team - "melbourne jets"

 

[Knightmare]

I remember a decade ago when people on here were adamant that the NRL needed to expand to the Gold Coast over the Central Coast because "too many NSW teams and 9 wants more games in Qld to televise". People like me were pointing out that the Gold Coast has been a sporting graveyard and that keeping a club sustainable on the GC if results dried up would be a real battle, and that the whole Dolphins/ Titans bid was largely smoke, mirrors and hype- but people were adamant it'd be different next time...

Fast-forward today and the Titans are a rabble with jack shit support, the "local derby" with the Broncos is a "who cares" fixture and if you only watched Ch. 9 games, you'd be forgiven for thinking the Broncos are still the only team in SEQ.

But now another smoke and mirrors bid (the Bombers) comes along with nothing more than a cool logo and lots of politician-style bullshit from Craig Davidson. Where's their support going to come from? If the only differentiation they have from the Broncos is a) the name b) the colours/ logo and c) No history, then they're going to be up shits' creek pretty soon. If people in Brisbane don't support the Broncos because they're seen as a shelf company with no historical ties to the QRL or Queensland Rugby League, then they sure as hell aren't going to hop on the Bombers anytime soon! They'll draw a crowd against the Broncos, Cowboys and the well-supported Sydney clubs (Dragons, Bulldogs, Souths)- but the crowd will be dominated by opposition fans.

But this bid is clearly superior to the Bears (ready to go, with an established fan-base and a population demographic of 1 million people with no team) because......um..........."too many NSW teams!"......."Channel 9 wants it so we'd better do what they say!"

:crazy: Short memories. FMD, if we're so hell-bent on another team from SEQ then even Redcliffe getting promoted makes more sense!

 

[joshreading]

Fast-forward today and the Titans are a rabble with jack shit support

I am not a Titans fan but the dribble that goes on about the Titans is ridiculous. Their average crowd this year is just over 11000 and that is after a HORROR couple of seasons. The Tigers, the Panthers, the Sharks had a similar average crowd. Manly (10995) and Raiders (9629) were worse

Their core support is ok, their stadium is amazing. Their game day vibe is way better than I have experienced at most other NRL clubs.

As they get it back together, win some games on the park and continue to resurrect their brand the Gold Coast will jump back on the band wagon.

Frankly, if we are worried about some clubs, we should be worried about heart lands like Newcastle where there is little to no competition and struggle to get over 15 000 averages. Imagine what that average could be if a Central Coast team takes away some of the support that is drawn from the Northern Central Coast.

I absolutely agree however that each of the new Clubs should be legit community connected clubs (though not always 'community owned clubs'.) I think you will find the NRL may well own ALL the new expansion clubs and invite investment and participation with a view to handing them over in time.

 

[CC_Roosters]

I am not a Titans fan but the dribble that goes on about the Titans is ridiculous. Their average crowd this year is just over 11000 and that is after a HORROR couple of seasons. The Tigers, the Panthers, the Sharks had a similar average crowd. Manly (10995) and Raiders (9629) were worse

Their core support is ok, their stadium is amazing. Their game day vibe is way better than I have experienced at most other NRL clubs.

As they get it back together, win some games on the park and continue to resurrect their brand the Gold Coast will jump back on the band wagon.

Frankly, if we are worried about some clubs, we should be worried about heart lands like Newcastle where there is little to no competition and struggle to get over 15 000 averages. Imagine what that average could be if a Central Coast team takes away some of the support that is drawn from the Northern Central Coast.

I absolutely agree however that each of the new Clubs should be legit community connected clubs (though not always 'community owned clubs'.) I think you will find the NRL may well own ALL the new expansion clubs and invite investment and participation with a view to handing them over in time.

??? In a shocker of a season the knights still pulled multiple 20k crowds and averaged better than most. Absolutely zero worries about the Knights.

Agree with the rest though, i think most people just grab hold of media inuendo and hearsay and treat it as gospel. Hence the harsh criticism by fans of teams like the titans and roosters while nobody except on this forum bothers to comment on canberra because its not talked about in general

 

[Perth Red]

There are plenty of clubs with bigger problems than the Titans. At least they have shown they have great potential if the club can be run well.

 

[alien]

But now another smoke and mirrors bid (the Bombers) comes along with nothing more than a cool logo and lots of politician-style bullshit from Craig Davidson. Where's their support going to come from? If the only differentiation they have from the Broncos is a) the name b) the colours/ logo and c) No history, then they're going to be up shits' creek pretty soon. If people in Brisbane don't support the Broncos because they're seen as a shelf company with no historical ties to the QRL or Queensland Rugby League, then they sure as hell aren't going to hop on the Bombers anytime soon! They'll draw a crowd against the Broncos, Cowboys and the well-supported Sydney clubs (Dragons, Bulldogs, Souths)- but the crowd will be dominated by opposition fans.

well the sth qld crushers did average over 21,000 for their home games for their first year. the second year fell away because of super league emerging and the team performing badly. i reckon a second brisbane team would be pretty well supported if the club was fairly strong

 

[alien]

Frankly, if we are worried about some clubs, we should be worried about heart lands like Newcastle where there is little to no competition and struggle to get over 15 000 averages. Imagine what that average could be if a Central Coast team takes away some of the support that is drawn from the Northern Central Coast.

the central coast shouldn't miss out on having a team because of bad knights management, or because there are too many teams in sydney.

 

[BuffaloRules]

There are plenty of clubs with bigger problems than the Titans. At least they have shown they have great potential if the club can be run well.

Run well meaning win games and attract bigger crowds - just like Tigers and Penrith and Knights have all demonstrated in the past.

It doesn't matter where the team is from, if they are rubbish on the field no one will show up..

How many would a WA team get to show up if they were at the bottom of the ladder for three years? Look at the Western Force for your answer.

To me the bigger worry are teams like Roosters and Manly that have been top of the table for ever and still get terrible crowds...

 

[Knightmare]

well the sth qld crushers did average over 21,000 for their home games for their first year. the second year fell away because of super league emerging and the team performing badly. i reckon a second brisbane team would be pretty well supported if the club was fairly strong

The Crushers, though, were a QRL-affiliated team. They had the right idea because their set-up had clear differentiation from the News Limited Broncos. If/ when more teams are added to Brisbane or the surrounding regions, this is the model that should be pursued. For mine, Redcliffe makes a lot of sense AND they will tap into the Northside/ Peninsula market.

 

[Perth Red]

Run well meaning win games and attract bigger crowds - just like Tigers and Penrith and Knights have all demonstrated in the past.

It doesn't matter where the team is from, if they are rubbish on the field no one will show up..

How many would a WA team get to show up if they were at the bottom of the ladder for three years? Look at the Western Force for your answer.

To me the bigger worry are teams like Roosters and Manly that have been top of the table for ever and still get terrible crowds...

Has to be about more than just Winning games though, you can't win the comp every year. Look at parra and Knights, despite poor onfield, supporter wise they are doing well. Agree re teams that are going well on field and still drawing poor numbers they are a big worry. Warriors have the potential to be the biggest club in the NRL but seem to struggle to understand how to tap into that massive supporter base. Panthers at their very best have only ever drawn a 17k avg, likewise tigers. Titans have shown they can draw 20k+ if run well and respectable on field.

 

[alien]

The Crushers, though, were a QRL-affiliated team. They had the right idea because their set-up had clear differentiation from the News Limited Broncos. If/ when more teams are added to Brisbane or the surrounding regions, this is the model that should be pursued. For mine, Redcliffe makes a lot of sense AND they will tap into the Northside/ Peninsula market.

the second brisbane team will be playing their home games at suncorp stadium

 

[alien]

Warriors have the potential to be the biggest club in the NRL but seem to struggle to understand how to tap into that massive supporter base.

they should play 6 games in auckland, 3 games in wellington, 3 in christchurch

 

[Captain Apollo]

the second brisbane team will be playing their home games at suncorp stadium

So what? How many teams in Sydney play their home games at ANZ Stadium. It is not like the Qld Government or Brisbane City Council are gonna stump up a couple of hundred million dollars to build a new stadium to house a second Brisbane NRL side now are they? :crazy: