Should Price Be Sacked?

[rainman44]

The Dragons are arguably the top brand in Rugby League yet Doust promotes Price while Greenberg recruits Hasler. Dragons go backwards while Hasler turns the Dogs from also rans to favourites for the title. Anyone see the Bennett parallels. Even the Crow brought in Maguire who had a successful track record as his own man in the Super League. Price seems like a decent guy and the players like him but you don't go from assistant to manager at Man United. Big clubs hire the best in the business.

Well said

 

[grouch]

This "big club" talk is a myth - there are no big clubs. This is not English Premier league, and thank Christ for that. Greenberg has this aura of infallibility, but it was he who signed Kevin Moore! Russell Crowe appointed the haggard John Lang! Doust signed Bennett ffs.

How many times must this be said: no established coach would have wanted to follow Wayne Bennett. Regardless of the cash, regardless of the "top brand" garbage. It is the way the cycle works. Replace an experienced coach with a rookie and replace him with an experiecned coach and so it goes.

 

[Dr Fruitbasket Returns]

This "big club" talk is a myth - there are no big clubs. This is not English Premier league, and thank Christ for that. Greenberg has this aura of infallibility, but it was he who signed Kevin Moore! Russell Crowe appointed the haggard John Lang! Doust signed Bennett ffs.

How many times must this be said: no established coach would have wanted to follow Wayne Bennett. Regardless of the cash, regardless of the "top brand" garbage. It is the way the cycle works. Replace an experienced coach with a rookie and replace him with an experiecned coach and so it goes.

Grouch it's wrong to say there are no big clubs. We're different from the Premier League in that the cap keeps things even and (a bit) cyclical. But in terms of support and in terms of TV ratings in the Sydney market there's Saints, the Dogs and Parra on one tier, there's Easts, Souths, Manly and Wests Tigers on the next level and then there's the Scum and Penrith picking up the scraps.

Then, if you make a case for sound management culture that breeds success, in terms of Premierships won, since 1980 Brisbane, Dogs and Manly are head and shoulders. And it's true that there's been plenty of upheaval at the Dogs and Manly, but when you look at those clubs over that period they've one 17 of the 33 comps decided (I'm counting 2 up for grabs in 97). Canterbury have won 7, Manly have won 4. When three clubs win over 50% of the comps, and one of them wasn't even around for the first seven in the cohort it says there's something more than just a cycle at work. There's a cycle going on for the rest of us and what looks like a measurably successful management culture for three teams who keep rising above it.

 

[Mr Red]

This "big club" talk is a myth - there are no big clubs. This is not English Premier league, and thank Christ for that.

its called perspective and australia doesnt have the population of England, nor the corporate dollars or economy of a country their size...
so in perspective the dragons are one of the "big" clubs... compare apples and apples

It is the way the cycle works. Replace an experienced coach with a rookie and replace him with an experiecned coach and so it goes.

just like the bulldogs replacing Ted Glossop with Warren Ryan, (hardly a rookie coach) to name one example of many over the seasons to dispell your cycle theory..

 

[KiamaSaint]

Yes, I have also wondered how particularly Manly seem to maintain their competitive edge for so long. Grabbing some Dapto juniors unwanted by the Dragons has probably gone some way to their success.

 

[grouch]

its called perspective and australia doesnt have the population of England, nor the corporate dollars or economy of a country their size...
so in perspective the dragons are one of the "big" clubs... compare apples and apples

Yeah thanks for that. Think you missed my point. Calling the Dragons a "big club" is purely delusions of grandeur. The term big club is a soccer phrase and relates to the haves and have-nots nature of those competitions. Yes we are a bigger club.

just like the bulldogs replacing Ted Glossop with Warren Ryan, (hardly a rookie coach) to name one example of many over the seasons to dispell your cycle theory..

Jesus, and you only had to go back 30 years to find the exception. As a general rule the cycle holds true, particularly in the truly professional era. (even for "bigger" clubs)

 

[Fingerbang]

I am still struggling to see all the success the Bulldogs have had since Greenburg started throwing money at anyone and everyone....except his own local juniors. I would imagine he (Greenburg) would have had to pay Hasler a lot more than Doust had to pay to sign Price as coach.

Hmmm, again, goes back to not being able to afford to pay a Hasler type coach....trying to budget for a reason, or due to bad money management....whatever the reason.

I may be different from a lot of you others here.....but give me a struggling Dragons team with more than half being our own local juniors who came through the grades, over a team of overpaid imported talent who may bring a few more wins or even possibly a premiership....but as a supporter, it would be like rooting your sister. The orgasm would still be good, but such a hollow feeling after it.

 

[Mr Red]

Yeah thanks for that. Think you missed my point. Calling the Dragons a "big club" is purely delusions of grandeur.
really?? calling the dragons a big club in the context of the NRL is dellusional? we are one the most if not the most marketable brands in the comp - everyone knows the big red "V"....

The term big club is a soccer phrase
really just a soccer phrase... that'll do me..
and relates to the haves and have-nots nature of those competitions. Yes we are a bigger club.

Jesus, and you only had to go back 30 years to find the exception.
and 10 seconds... first thought to come to mind of many examples.
(even for "bigger" clubs)

 

[possm]

'The Red V is a part of me' - rings louder than any phrase in the NRL. The Dragons are the leading brand in the NRL and should be in the catrgory of 'one of the teams to beat' in the premerishop race.

For reasons only resulting from bad management, we are a bottom dweller this year and we owe it to our fans to address this situaton urgenlty.

Doust is the man who hires the coach and arranges affairs relating to the funding of our NRL squad. There should be no doubt in the minds of those responsible what needs to happen for the Club to address this situation.

Sack Doust and appoint Carr
Sack Price and appoint Potter

Do it as soon as possible and before November this year.

 

[grouch]

Sack Doust and appoint Carr

 

[Cagey Mac]

And raise you

 

[Drain the Dragon]

Sack Doust and appoint Carr

Who - Geoff Carr, who tried to merge us with the Roosters?
Or maybe Bob Carr, the current Foreign Minister?

If that's the choice, then keep Doust.....:crazy:

 

[DragonBuck]

Yes, I have also wondered how particularly Manly seem to maintain their competitive edge for so long. Grabbing some Dapto juniors unwanted by the Dragons has probably gone some way to their success.

Who are the Dapto juniors??

 

[saints4ever]

I would love to see Geoff Carr try and be our ceo again. Heavy emphasis on the word try

 

[The_Team_Won]

It's time for him to go

 

[namecaps]

Yes Price should go now and Folkes made a care taker coach until a top first grade coach is found but Doust will leave Price there for at least next year the same as he left his mate Brown for so long before sacking him 2013 will be same as 2012 same coach no signing of big name players perhaps should also look for a Doust replacement.

 

[KiamaSaint]

Who are the Dapto juniors??

West Wollomgong juniors - my bad, the Stewart brothers.

 

[Minh]

Most worrying sign was that the team played close to their best footy after being no chance of making the finals which proved they were capable of mixing it with the good teams. We went missing in the big games, I still hope Price can turn it around.

 

[Minh]

I think and hope that Price has what it takes.

 

[Breathingfire]

Personally, I think we should persist with Price for next year. If we make the top 4 then he should have his contract renewed. If we miss the finals again then he should be sacked.

If we won a couple more of those close games (ie. golden point vs Penrith etc) then we make the finals and he has had a reasonable first year at the helm. You have to remember the players that have left and the big shoes Price must fill. The year was never going to be an easy one.

My main concern with Price is I wonder if he is grumpy enough to fire the side up? You look around the NRL and the best coaches are Hasler, Toovey, McGuire and Bellamy and all four are absolute fire crackers. Price seems to want to walk around like Bennett with his hands in his pockets and be the strong silent type, but it takes a pretty special guy (like Bennett) to pull that off. I would like to see Price get animated and fire the guys up!