Should St George Illawarra end their joint venture?

[muzby]

You wouldn't understand.

Is it because we’re better looking?

 

[muzby]

This was only what you wanted to discuss, the point of the discussion was St George's standalone record is better than the JV's.

Depends what you mean by “stand-alone”?

Given Illawarra was part of the St George catchment region pre 1982, St George was only “stand-alone” for 18 seasons, in which they were reasonably awful..

However if you are wanting to measure results since 1921 then of course St George would have better results, which you would expect would be the case when you’re comparing close to 4 times the number of years each had to compete (not whitstanding major varying factors which give St George an advantage over the JV such as smaller competitions, shorter seasons, no salary caps etc)

But then it all circles back to the point that all that success occurred a long, long time ago....

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

It's like to Wests Tigers forum in here, with names changed to protect the innocent...

 

[muzby]

It's like to Wests Tigers forum in here, with names changed to protect the innocent...

Who left the door open?

 

[muzby]

Actually, out of curiosity what’s the WT faction situation?

And is there a Campbelltown Mafia?

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

Actually, out of curiosity what’s the WT faction situation?

And is there a Campbelltown Mafia?

It's the exact same story, people clinging onto old claims of success and failure as it suits them. From my point of view, STGI is more like a reunification of what St George originally had before the splits started in 1967 and 1982. Illawarra never had the rivalry with St George that Cronulla has.

 

[muzby]

But what about the Cambelltown mafia?

Or do we not speak of them for fear of finding a tiger head in our bed?

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

But what about the Cambelltown mafia?

Or do we not speak of them for fear of finding a tiger head in our bed?

They know where my kids go to school. I've said too much...

 

[Carlton]

Depends what you mean by “stand-alone”?

Given Illawarra was part of the St George catchment region pre 1982, St George was only “stand-alone” for 18 seasons, in which they were reasonably awful..

However if you are wanting to measure results since 1921 then of course St George would have better results, which you would expect would be the case when you’re comparing close to 4 times the number of years each had to compete (not whitstanding major varying factors which give St George an advantage over the JV such as smaller competitions, shorter seasons, no salary caps etc)

But then it all circles back to the point that all that success occurred a long, long time ago....

But Muz, all the successes have the name St George in there. The only Illawarra successes are when they tag along with the St george name.

 

[muzby]

But Muz, all the successes have the name St George in there. The only Illawarra successes are when they tag along with the St george name.

So it’s only a name thing?

I’m for us to shift everything full time to the gong, play from WIN stadium & drop the Illawarra name from the crest if you are..

But for the love of Pete can you please refresh the St George side of the board.. They’ve presided over the lowest period in both the stand alone and JV’s history..

 

[Willow]

Is it because we’re better looking?

It is said that youth is wasted on the young, and beauty is wasted on the beautiful. Alas, you were both young and beautiful and knew naught of the world beyond.

But I digress.

St George has heritage in abundance... this is a great asset, and our legacy. But sadly, there have been attempts to undermine this legacy (for reasons which are unclear). The Steelers didn't exist before 1982... as you say, young. Some may say they threw their potential to the wind, and long before they had a chance to thoroughly enjoy the notion of heritage.

This is not to be confused with the Illawarra region that has produced many a fine player and a Rugby League competition dating back to 1911. The side you support stood on the shoulders of those great players, including the powerful Southern Division side that defeated the might of England over 70 years ago. Perhaps you don't know this. If you do, you may even see it as a legacy worthy of your respect.

 

[muzby]

It is said that youth is wasted on the young, and beauty is wasted on the beautiful. Alas, you were both young and beautiful and knew naught of the world beyond.

But I digress.

St George has heritage in abundance... this is a great asset, and our legacy. But sadly, there have been attempts to undermine this legacy (for reasons which are unclear). The Steelers didn't exist before 1982... as you say, young. Some may say they threw their potential to the wind, and long before they had a chance to thoroughly enjoy the notion of heritage.

This is not to be confused with the Illawarra region that has produced many a fine player and a Rugby League competition dating back to 1911. The side you support stood on the shoulders of those great players, including the powerful Southern Division side that defeated the might of England over 70 years ago. Perhaps you don't know this. If you do, you may even see it as a legacy worthy of your respect.

Or is it more that those fans from the Illawarra have been exposed to more hardships, coming from a blue collar steel town..

They understand how to plow through adversity and know what’s really the appropriate thing to whine about..

I like that the southern folk have embraced the JV and are looking to drive it forward..

Unfortunately though (if I refer back to the toddler rules I posted earlier) some of the St George legacy crew get overly possessive of the history and apportion any blame to the other part..

Overall this club has a chance to be great, and to do that we need to look forwards not backwards..

 

[Carlton]

So it’s only a name thing?

I’m for us to shift everything full time to the gong, play from WIN stadium & drop the Illawarra name from the crest if you are..

But for the love of Pete can you please refresh the St George side of the board.. They’ve presided over the lowest period in both the stand alone and JV’s history..

I think the move to the Gong fulltime is what the NRL wanted all along and will happen. I think we need one home ground and I agree about the St George board but I also feel the same way about Illawarra and WIN directors. Everyone who has been involved with the Joint Venture needs to be removed and replaced with genuine professionals working for the good of the club/JV.

 

[Carlton]

Or is it more that those fans from the Illawarra have been exposed to more hardships, coming from a blue collar steel town..

They understand how to plow through adversity and know what’s really the appropriate thing to whine about..

I like that the southern folk have embraced the JV and are looking to drive it forward..

Unfortunately though (if I refer back to the toddler rules I posted earlier) some of the St George legacy crew get overly possessive of the history and apportion any blame to the other part..

Overall this club has a chance to be great, and to do that we need to look forwards not backwards..

The past is something to embrace, learn from and build off, there is nothing wrong with the JV being proud of the St George history as it part of its DNA. The trouble with looking forwards is that there is nothing to show anything will improve.

There are many supporters of the JV who live in the Illawarra but they were St George fans. In fact there are probably more people who fall into this category than were Illawarra supporters. This has nothing to do with where fans live or who they supported.

This is about a group of people looking after themselves and treating all the fans (St George or Illawarra) as dispensable. My biggest gripe is with the Gordon family and WIN who have manipulated the JV one way or another for years and been in the middle of the situation it is in. One thing Possm is right about is that deals have been and are being made to protect certain interests.

 

[muzby]

The past is something to embrace, learn from and build off, there is nothing wrong with the JV being proud of the St George history as it part of its DNA. The trouble with looking forwards is that there is nothing to show will improve.

Toddler Rule 4.

There are many supporters of the JV who live in the Illawarra but they were St George fans. In fact there are probably more people who fall into this category than were Illawarra supporters. This has nothing to do with where fans live or who they supported.

Toddler Rule 8.

This is about a group of people looking after themselves and treating all the fans (St George or Illawarra) as dispensable. My biggest gripe is with the Gordon family and WIN who have manipulated the JV one way or another for years and been in the middle of the situation it is in. One thing Possm is right about is that deals have been and are being made to protect certain interests.

Toddler Rule 10.

 

[Carlton]

Toddler Rule 4.



Toddler Rule 8.



Toddler Rule 10.

Muzby, do you want to be serious or talk about some comic Toddler Rules?

Your comments are like the way the JV BOD treats its fans.

 

[muzby]

Muzby, do you want to be serious or talk about some comic Toddler Rules?

Your comments are like the way the JV BOD treats its fans.

I’m being serious.. As I’ve mentioned previously, the carry on from some St George legacy fans is akin to how toddlers carry on..

I thought your post was a case in point - leveraged the history, claimed the Illawarra region and then placed the blame for the current state of affairs on the other party..

 

[Saints Forever]

So it’s only a name thing?

I’m for us to shift everything full time to the gong, play from WIN stadium & drop the Illawarra name from the crest if you are..

Your getting warm Muz.

Drop the Illawarra name and play out of Shark park when the team from the shire collapses and leaves the NRL.

All jokes aside, your suggestion may be a viable solution.

But for the love of Pete can you please refresh the St George side of the board.. They’ve presided over the lowest period in both the stand alone and JV’s history..

 

[Carlton]

I’m being serious.. As I’ve mentioned previously, the carry on from some St George legacy fans is akin to how toddlers carry on..

I thought your post was a case in point - leveraged the history, claimed the Illawarra region and then placed the blame for the current state of affairs on the other party..

Look at your Toddler rules, you satisfy 1 to 10 with your ridiculously Illawarra biased nonsense.

Stating the St George history forms part of the JV DNA is fact, thats not leveraging it, its a statement of reality. Again the statement about the large number of old St George fans living in the Illawarra is fact. You pretend they dont exist and try to make out the only fans that matter are the old Illawarra fans living in the Illawarra.

And I did not blame Illawarra, I clearly blamed the Gordon family and WIN.

Why so protective of them?

 

[possm]

So it’s only a name thing?

I’m for us to shift everything full time to the gong, play from WIN stadium & drop the Illawarra name from the crest if you are..

But for the love of Pete can you please refresh the St George side of the board.. They’ve presided over the lowest period in both the stand alone and JV’s history..

Look, Illawarra split away from St George but were never a success, could not win a competition even with such a large junior district.

Then they decided to come back to St George but wanted their name added to the team title and in their first season back caused us to lose the 1999 GF.

Then they could not meet the financial commitments they had previously made and had to sell their shares to WIN Corp to avoid bankruptcy.

Now St George fans have had enough of the Illawarra marfia, they just want St George to be St George and couldn't give a dam about the Illawarra element.