Should there be 2 teams in Brisbane?

[Pippen94]

Meltdown? You mean disprove every illogical thing that you say time and time again. You still constantly use such and such will happen which as you know logically nobody can say.

Anyway I do find your posts humorous so keep it up.

Me in 2019: dolphins will be next NRL team.

So yeah..

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Find one post of mine where I even so much as mention Coorparoo.

I'll wait.

I recall you ranting and raving about Brisbane not have "catchments" like Sydney when I pointed out that the Tigers have several junior clubs across Brisbane and Logan.

There is no catchments in junior QRL, all you're doing is pointing out how much of Rugby League town Brisbane is.

And having a large Leagues Club is a poor metric. Cairns Brothers have a bigger Leagues Club then the Broncos, for example.

Suddenly jettisoning the Wests Tigers because Eastern Suburbs has a pokie den, it's @T-Boon levels of dumb

All deference to @Desert Qlder, but this constant claim @Get Rid of The Donkeys that Eastern Suburbs is supported by and represents all of Brisbane south of the river is both historically inaccurate and just plain wrong.

Even if they lay claim to some Sydney style junior catchment in this area in 2022, that means nothing, as unfortunately the BRL/ QRL are very much not important in the modern league fans world.

There biggest claim to fame appears to be they have fancy pokie den, but so does Cairns Brothers, and Townsville Brothers and the Noosa Surf Club.

 

[Mr Angry]

Brisbane Easts will get there.

The Easter Island Dolphins might play games at the Sunshine Coast Stadium.

Not a Brisbane team.

 

[Colk]

Me in 2019: dolphins will be next NRL team.

So yeah..

Look at you hey. I can see how chuffed you are about it too.

Anyway, I learnt a long time ago that nothing in life is guaranteed so it’s all pretty foolish to make predictions about anything.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Let's give Redcliffe a few years before we cast judgement on them.

Their hammering of the Salary Cap Rorters was wonderful. I'm sure they won a lot fans on Sunday.

 

[Canard]

I recall you ranting and raving about Brisbane not have "catchments" like Sydney when I pointed out that the Tigers have several junior clubs across Brisbane and Logan.

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There are no junior "catchments" in Brisbane or QLD. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

And even if they were, they would be completely irrelevant in creating a supporter base for an NRL team.

Having a large Pokie Den is also not very unique in the sense that several clubs and sports not in the NRL also have them.

Adding a 3rd team in Brisbane so soon after the introduction of the Dolphins is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

There are no junior "catchments" in Brisbane or QLD. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

And even if they were, they would be completely irrelevant in creating a supporter base for an NRL team.

Having a large Pokie Den is also not very unique in the sense that several clubs and sports not in the NRL also have them.

Adding a 3rd team in Brisbane so soon after the introduction of the Dolphins is a recipe for disaster.

You will never admit to being wrong.

I've already shown you that the Brisbane Tigers have over a dozen affiliate clubs and schools who feed players into their junior and senior clubs.

These are their affiliate clubs and schools:

Easts Juniors
Carina Juniors
Easts Mt Gravatt
Easts Springwood
Rochedale Tigers
Bulimba Valleys Bulldogs
Brothers St Brendans
Flagstone Tigers
Yarrabilba Tigera
Keebra Park
Villanova
Mabel Park
Stretton State College
Shalom College (Bundaberg)

All based in the south-eastern suburbs of Brisbane and eastern suburbs of Logan. That's a large catchment.

 

[Perth Red]

Dolphins need at least ten years clear air to build themselves up and finalise who they are actually representing before we add another direct competitor into their space. Like the titans the measure of their success will come in year 5-10 not year 1.

 

[Canard]

You will never admit to being wrong.

I've already shown you that the Brisbane Tigers have over a dozen affiliate clubs and schools who feed players into their junior and senior clubs.

These are their affiliate clubs and schools:

Easts Juniors
Carina Juniors
Easts Mt Gravatt
Easts Springwood
Rochedale Tigers
Bulimba Valleys Bulldogs
Brothers St Brendans
Flagstone Tigers
Yarrabilba Tigera
Keebra Park
Villanova
Mabel Park
Stretton State College
Shalom College (Bundaberg)

All based in the south-eastern suburbs of Brisbane and eastern suburbs of Logan. That's a large catchment.

Keebra Park is not in SE Brisbane, nor is Bundaberg.

Brisbane Norths list 21 "affiliate" clubs AND schools on their website.

Player Development Programs - Norths Devils RLFC

PLAYER DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS Embracing grassroots Rugby League SUPPORTED BY OUR COMMITMENT TO DEVELOPMENT Deeply rooted in our community, Norths Devils goes beyond the try line. We actively engage with fans, families, and local organisations, fostering a sense of belonging that extends far beyond...

northsdevilsrlfc.com

Wynnum have 7

Affiliate Clubs - Wynnum Manly Seagulls

The Wynnum Manly Seagulls are proud to be affiliated with the following junior rugby league clubs: Beenleigh Junior Rugby League Football Club Capalaba Warriors Districts Junior Rugby League Football Club North Stradbroke Island Rugby League and Allsports Club Redlands Rugby League Club Russell...

www.wynnumseagulls.com.au

West Panthers another half dozen.

This is certainly not some unique arrangement that makes it a differentiator to any other BRL team.

It also means nothing in terms of U/16 onwards, as any player in this system can sign with any senior club it wants at anytime.

The only major factor they have, is they generate a shitload of money from gambling, something that you have identified as a MAJOR negative when it comes to clubs from south of the border.

Double standards???

 

[MugaB]

Keebra Park is not in SE Brisbane, nor is Bundaberg.

Brisbane Norths list 21 "affiliate" clubs AND schools on their website.

Player Development Programs - Norths Devils RLFC

PLAYER DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS Embracing grassroots Rugby League SUPPORTED BY OUR COMMITMENT TO DEVELOPMENT Deeply rooted in our community, Norths Devils goes beyond the try line. We actively engage with fans, families, and local organisations, fostering a sense of belonging that extends far beyond...

northsdevilsrlfc.com

Wynnum have 7

Affiliate Clubs - Wynnum Manly Seagulls

The Wynnum Manly Seagulls are proud to be affiliated with the following junior rugby league clubs: Beenleigh Junior Rugby League Football Club Capalaba Warriors Districts Junior Rugby League Football Club North Stradbroke Island Rugby League and Allsports Club Redlands Rugby League Club Russell...

www.wynnumseagulls.com.au

West Panthers another half dozen.

This is certainly not some unique arrangement that makes it a differentiator to any other BRL team.

It also means nothing in terms of U/16 onwards, as any player in this system can sign with any senior club it wants at anytime.

The only major factor they have, is they generate a shitload of money from gambling, something that you have identified as a MAJOR negative when it comes to clubs from south of the border.

Double standards???

Massive double standards

 

[mongoose]

There are no junior "catchments" in Brisbane or QLD. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

And even if they were, they would be completely irrelevant in creating a supporter base for an NRL team.

Having a large Pokie Den is also not very unique in the sense that several clubs and sports not in the NRL also have them.

Adding a 3rd team in Brisbane so soon after the introduction of the Dolphins is a recipe for disaster.

actually I don't think everyone knows it.... I think there are some people on this forum who think the Broncos have been sourcing most of their juniors for the past 35 years from the Red Hill/Ashgrove area of Brisbane....

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Keebra Park is not in SE Brisbane, nor is Bundaberg.

Brisbane Norths list 21 "affiliate" clubs AND schools on their website.

Player Development Programs - Norths Devils RLFC

PLAYER DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS Embracing grassroots Rugby League SUPPORTED BY OUR COMMITMENT TO DEVELOPMENT Deeply rooted in our community, Norths Devils goes beyond the try line. We actively engage with fans, families, and local organisations, fostering a sense of belonging that extends far beyond...

northsdevilsrlfc.com

Wynnum have 7

Affiliate Clubs - Wynnum Manly Seagulls

The Wynnum Manly Seagulls are proud to be affiliated with the following junior rugby league clubs: Beenleigh Junior Rugby League Football Club Capalaba Warriors Districts Junior Rugby League Football Club North Stradbroke Island Rugby League and Allsports Club Redlands Rugby League Club Russell...

www.wynnumseagulls.com.au

West Panthers another half dozen.

This is certainly not some unique arrangement that makes it a differentiator to any other BRL team.

It also means nothing in terms of U/16 onwards, as any player in this system can sign with any senior club it wants at anytime.

The only major factor they have, is they generate a shitload of money from gambling, something that you have identified as a MAJOR negative when it comes to clubs from south of the border.

Double standards???

The BRL clubs field teams in the U-16 Cyril Connell Cup and U-18 Mal Meninga Cup.

Where do you think they source the bulk of their CC and MM Cup players from?

I'll give you a hint. It has something to do with their affiliate clubs and schools.

My problem with the Sydney clubs is most of them generate f**k-all revenue from football operations. They're in this predicament because they're competing for the corporate dollar in an overly saturated market. If pokies were banned all around Australia then the weakest Sydney teams would feel the pinch more than anyone else.

Clubs should be judged by the money they generate from football operations.

Roosters haven't had any problems sourcing juniors who aren't from their district.

Keep on ignoring the Tigers' high performance training centre and centralised location. Any sane person would acknowledge that these factors give them a compelling case to be Brisbane's third team. Companies will be queueing up to sponsor a centralised NRL club that covers the eastern suburbs south of the river plus Logan.

The Tigers' position and association with clubs in southeast Brisbane and eastern Logan is another compelling reason for their inclusion in the NRL. Eastern Brisbane and Logan are under attack by the Brisbane Lions. You continue to deny this, even though it's been pointed out that the Lions run academies in Logan schools and invest significantly in the area. Courtesy of funds from the Lions@Springwood Social Club.

You do realise that Springwood is in Logan, right?

The ARLC said the Dolphins were needed to counter fumbleball. Makes no sense to put a team in Moreton Bay when fumbleball is targeting the southeast and Logan. It makes even less sense when the new club is focusing on Moreton Bay and Sunshine Coast.

 

[Canard]

The BRL clubs field teams in the U-16 Cyril Connell Cup and U-18 Mal Meninga Cup.

Where do you think they source the bulk of their CC and MM Cup players from?

I'll give you a hint. It has something to do with their affiliate clubs and schools.

My problem with the Sydney clubs is most of them generate f**k-all revenue from football operations. They're in this predicament because they're competing for the corporate dollar in an overly saturated market. If pokies were banned all around Australia then the weakest Sydney teams would feel the pinch more than anyone else.

Clubs should be judged by the money they generate from football operations.

Roosters haven't had any problems sourcing juniors who aren't from their district.

Keep on ignoring the Tigers' high performance training centre and centralised location. Any sane person would acknowledge that these factors give them a compelling case to be Brisbane's third team. Companies will be queueing up to sponsor a centralised NRL club that covers the eastern suburbs south of the river plus Logan.

The Tigers' position and association with clubs in southeast Brisbane and eastern Logan is another compelling reason for their inclusion in the NRL. Eastern Brisbane and Logan are under attack by the Brisbane Lions. You continue to deny this, even though it's been pointed out that the Lions run academies in Logan schools and invest significantly in the area. Courtesy of funds from the Lions@Springwood Social Club.

You do realise that Springwood is in Logan, right?

The ARLC said the Dolphins were needed to counter fumbleball. Makes no sense to put a team in Moreton Bay when fumbleball is targeting the southeast and Logan. It makes even less sense when the new club is focusing on Moreton Bay and Sunshine Coast.

Any new team in Brisbane, will play there games at Lang Park.

Where said teams Leagues Club is located, will be irrelevant to their supporter base. Do you think people in Logan don't support the Broncos, because there pokie den is in Red Hill?

I'm against Brisbane having a new team for at least a Decade, so they don't over saturate the market and rely on pokies to survive (you know the exact things you have been arguing against south of the border)

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Any new team in Brisbane, will play there games at Lang Park.

Like the Dolphins?

They're splitting their games between Lang Park, Dolphin Oval and Sunshine Coast Stadium.

Where said teams Leagues Club is located, will be irrelevant to their supporter base. Do you think people in Logan don't support the Broncos, because there pokie den is in Red Hill?

Dolphins don't have many fans in Logan and Ipswich. Nor do they have many in southern Brisbane.

I'm against Brisbane having a new team for at least a Decade, so they don't over saturate the market and rely on pokies to survive (you know the exact things you have been arguing against south of the border)

If you're worried about over saturation and a reliance on pokies then you would be demanding the Bulldogs and Tigers get kicked out!

Both clubs generate half as much money from football operations as the Cowboys.

So why aren't you pushing for them to get the punt?

You reckon both clubs need to stay. That proves you're a f**ken hypocrite and don't have a leg to stand on.

On what basis do you think the Firehawks wouldn't be able to generate $20m from football operations?

Do you have an actual argument to support your claim that the club will be reliant on gaming machine revenue, or did you just pluck that assumption out of your arse?

The Dolphins are already generating more than the Sydney clubs. That's despite them and the bulk of their fanbase being from the outskirts of Brisbane. The Brisbane Firehawks will generate significantly more by virtue of playing out of Lang Park and having a centralised fanbase.

 

[MugaB]

Like the Dolphins?

They're splitting their games between Lang Park, Dolphin Oval and Sunshine Coast Stadium.



Dolphins don't have many fans in Logan and Ipswich. Nor do they have many in southern Brisbane.
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Incorrect, my brother goes for the dolphins, he lives in loganholme, i also have a friend who lives in redlands, also goes for the dolphins... your assumptions that you need to be living in thier catchments to root for them is false... just need an opposing rival to gain support from all over..
I've lived in north rocks for past 10 years, and grew up in ryde, yet ive been a penrith fan the bulk of my life

 

[docbrown]

People who think that football clubs can only gain support from one specific geographical area are idiots. Just look at the Dallas Cowboys in the NFL. They’re the number one team in multiple states, even in some states with other NFL clubs. People pick teams for more than just locality. Their parents might have supported them. They may have moved around. The club may have been successful and people got on the bandwagon. When they were a kid they liked Sharks, so they now follow Cronulla. They might have thought lime green was cool so they’re Raiders fans. People in regional NSW outside of the NSW Coast follow Sydney clubs hundreds of kilometres away. You can be a Cowboys fan in Brisbane. Or a Dolphins fan on the Southside of Brisbane.

 

[wain]

People who think that football clubs can only gain support from one specific geographical area are idiots. Just look at the Dallas Cowboys in the NFL. They’re the number one team in multiple states, even in some states with other NFL clubs. People pick teams for more than just locality. Their parents might have supported them. They may have moved around. The club may have been successful and people got on the bandwagon. When they were a kid they liked Sharks, so they now follow Cronulla. They might have thought lime green was cool so they’re Raiders fans. People in regional NSW outside of the NSW Coast follow Sydney clubs hundreds of kilometres away. You can be a Cowboys fan in Brisbane. Or a Dolphins fan on the Southside of Brisbane.

totally agree!

As an Adelaide boy, Port Power is the perfect example of this. In fact, not only have they overcome the geographical location tied to their past, but they've also overcome the socio-economic status of Port Adelaide to a degree also.

Ive worked with both Crows and Power in getting their teams into our school, and Power is amazing! Amongst kids, it would be close to a 50-50 split between the teams.

100% it can be done!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

People who think that football clubs can only gain support from one specific geographical area are idiots. Just look at the Dallas Cowboys in the NFL. They’re the number one team in multiple states, even in some states with other NFL clubs. People pick teams for more than just locality. Their parents might have supported them. They may have moved around. The club may have been successful and people got on the bandwagon. When they were a kid they liked Sharks, so they now follow Cronulla. They might have thought lime green was cool so they’re Raiders fans. People in regional NSW outside of the NSW Coast follow Sydney clubs hundreds of kilometres away. You can be a Cowboys fan in Brisbane. Or a Dolphins fan on the Southside of Brisbane.

If a "fan" isn't an active supporter then they're worthless to the club.

Do you have any evidence that the Sydney clubs have a lot of active supporters in regional NSW?

The annual reports for the Sydney clubs reveal that they make very little money from memership and merchandise. This would suggest they don't have many active supporters in regional NSW. Penrith are the only club bucking the trend in this field.

 

[mongoose]

People who think that football clubs can only gain support from one specific geographical area are idiots. Just look at the Dallas Cowboys in the NFL. They’re the number one team in multiple states, even in some states with other NFL clubs. People pick teams for more than just locality. Their parents might have supported them. They may have moved around. The club may have been successful and people got on the bandwagon. When they were a kid they liked Sharks, so they now follow Cronulla. They might have thought lime green was cool so they’re Raiders fans. People in regional NSW outside of the NSW Coast follow Sydney clubs hundreds of kilometres away. You can be a Cowboys fan in Brisbane. Or a Dolphins fan on the Southside of Brisbane.

good point. After the Broncos, Dolphins and Cowboys, the Storm would easily be the most supported club in Brisbane.

 

[Perth Red]

People who think that football clubs can only gain support from one specific geographical area are idiots. Just look at the Dallas Cowboys in the NFL. They’re the number one team in multiple states, even in some states with other NFL clubs. People pick teams for more than just locality. Their parents might have supported them. They may have moved around. The club may have been successful and people got on the bandwagon. When they were a kid they liked Sharks, so they now follow Cronulla. They might have thought lime green was cool so they’re Raiders fans. People in regional NSW outside of the NSW Coast follow Sydney clubs hundreds of kilometres away. You can be a Cowboys fan in Brisbane. Or a Dolphins fan on the Southside of Brisbane.

We’re talking actual fans, not the Roy Morgan type.
If you’re not a member, attending games or buying merch then you’re not much value as a “fan”. I’d say 80% plus of active fans live in a 30km radius of where the clubs play their home Games. No evidence but would be Interesting to see data on membership locations, ticket sales etc