Bazal said:
:lol: That's a really intelligent statement. The same argument is understandable yet stupid?
Yeah, like you.
I understand what you are trying to say, but it's stupid.
Mate, I said I understood the argument but disagreed with it. I said the same thing then that I am saying now - calls for Grothe to be picked totally neglected the importance of goalkicking. (I'll go more into Grothe's abilities later)
The reason it's a totally ridiculous argument now is because it was proven on Wednesday that El Masri was the man for the job. Sometimes after the event people need to man up and admit things turned out differently to how they thought they would. The assertion that El Masri was average is preposterous.
The argument hasn't changed. El Masri was not the best man for the job.
Hmmmm, interesting. You keep saying this yet I haven't read anything on here that suggests
HOW someone else would have made more impact on the game, except the simplistic notion that Grothe would have made more metres.
Grothe probably would have made more metres than El Masri. Do you know how many times El Masri was forced to bring the ball back? It's laughable to suggest that Grothe would have made that much difference, particularly when it turns out we didn't need those metres.
Best man for the job? El Masri was the man that did the job. PROVEN. He came in, made no mistakes, defended well, scored a try, and kicked important goals. To argue against his selection after he successfully helped NSW win is - as I have been saying - ridiculous. It's a team game and he fit what the team needed.
Brett Kimmorley, Jarryd Hayne and Kurt Gidley
Rightio Colonel, no matter what you thought about one of my comments, or how dumb I thought something you said was, we've both been topped here.
Jarryd Hayne is an Origin goalkicker, is he?:crazy:
Mate, I doubt there's a Parra fan that doesn't love the kid, but he's never even kicked goals for his club. That's just plain stupid.
Kimmorley doesn't kick for his club either, and bottled his shots at goal in Origins past.
Gidley was barely on the field.
Imagine if the selectors had gone into the game with those guys as kickers and it had cost us? Imagine the uproar. Actually, the uproar probably would have been aimed at poor Noddy, seeing as though NSW fans need to bash someone in the team.
And yesterdays match was a dead rubber cos we had a chance of winning the series?
Way to twist the argument mate. You said that Qld did ok with Cam Smith and JT as kickers before JT was good. I said they lost series. I could have just as easily have said that they lost GAMES. No difference.
Goalkicking is important. Face it.
Let me spell it out monosyllabically for you, as you seem to have difficulty grasping the simplest of concepts. Eric Grothe was the best man for the wing spot and he was not picked. El Masri was not the best man for the wing spot.
ok, I understood the concept (it was quite simple), but what does monosyllabically mean? That word has too many parts to it. :sarcasm:
Once again, i ask you how Eric Grothe was going to affect the game better than El Masri did.
But you just said you could understand the argument? Therefore you agree Grothe was worthy of being there...
No, I never said that at all. I understood the argument, but disagreed.
Think about it from a selectors point of view.
Pretty much it comes down to these two unless you are going to take a wild punt at someone like Merritt.
You have Grothe - big, strong, can make you metres. Able to offload in traffic for second-phase play. When he hits he hits hard.
However, he is prone to having shockers. When he's bad he's really bad. He can drop bombs, throw bad offloads at the wrong times, and make terrible reads in defence.
El Masri - Dependable, professional. Won't make as many yards, or do as much damage. Will make less errors in defence and is safe under the high ball, if a little short. He is the best goalkicker ever.
Now, if you didn't need a goalkicker then you might be considering Grothe. Even then it's not a certainty because you are worried that if he has one of his shockers he will cost us the whitewash. You know that you have a superfast fullback and big centres and Hayne to bring the ball back. Also, with roughheads like Gallen and Bird, NSW won't lack for agression. Do you really need Grothe?
Now, if the selectors thought that Grothe's ability to trample people was necessary to win us the game, I'd say that they haven't picked the right forwards and halves, wouldn't you?
Add to this the goalkicking thing and it's a no-brainer.
it's not a stupid argument because El Masri was not the best man for the job in the first place, regardless of how he played (and that was not all that well either).
Que?
If he had scored 5 individual tries would his selection have been justified? Of course his performance on the pitch is now part of this argument!! That's where the game is played - on the friggin pitch, not in your head!
Whether El Masri was the best man for the job has been in dispute throughout the week, and he performed on the pitch. What else could he do?
If you seriously don't think he played well then - like I said - you are being stubborn, or stupid, or one-eyed.
FINAL WASHUP:
NSW 18 (El Masri 10) - Qld 6.
Grothe - No Origins, no City v Country, no rep games at all.
