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Smith's advice to Blues selectors

Pumba

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Smith's advice to Blues selectors
BY ROBERT DILLON


KNIGHTS coach Brian Smith has urged NSW selectors to choose a five-eighth with an accomplished kicking game if they name Kurt Gidley as halfback for the State of Origin series decider.

Gidley has zoomed into calculations for the Blues No.7 jumper after incumbent playmaker, Brisbane's Peter Wallace, underwent groin surgery on Thursday night.

The Broncos hope Wallace will be available to return against the Wests Tigers at Suncorp Stadium next Friday night.

But if Wallace is unable to prove his fitness before selectors name their squad on Tuesday week, then Gidley would be the leading candidate to replace him for the ANZ Stadium showdown on July 2.

The Newcastle handyman was NSW coach Craig Bellamy's original choice as halfback for Origin I, but he smashed his cheekbone the day before the team was announced, allowing Wallace to make his interstate debut.

Now the roles have been reversed and Gidley is in contention to make his first Origin appearance in the starting line-up after three appearances as bench utility.

Smith said yesterday he had no doubt Gidley would handle the role but believes NSW would function better with an acknowledged tactical kicker in their side.

"He'll need some assistance there in the area of kicking, because that's the one part of his game that, as a halfback, you'd have to say he's probably not practised enough in that role," Smith said.

"The rest of it, I reckon he'll handle it well."

Asked whether NSW five-eighth Greg Bird, who regularly plays as lock for the Sharks, had sufficient skills with the boot, Smith was dubious.

"He [Bird] is a bit like where Kurt would be, I would say," Smith said.

"He doesn't do that job on a regular basis for his club team. While ever you've got Brett Kimmorley in your team [at the Sharks], Brett's going to do most of the kicking.

"That's probably not the ideal combo, but if they had enough time to work on it maybe they could come up with enough.

"But that would be a concern, I think."

Smith said NSW would be tempting fate if they went into such a crucial match with a stopgap kicking game.

"Kurt would get better in that area if you gave him 10 days of intensive work in the camp, and all that sort of stuff, but you're not looking for a someone who can do a makeshift job in that arena," he said. "You need someone who's well-versed and very much able to handle those sort of situations under enormous pressure."

One player who falls into that category is in-form Roosters pivot Braith Anasta.

Smith has has reservations about Anasta in the past but indicated yesterday he felt the former international would be a wise selection for Origin III.

Gidley does handle some of the kicking duties for Newcastle but is effectively their third-string option.

He has kicked the ball 24 times in general play this season, compared to front-line playmakers Scott Dureau (63) and Jarrod Mullen (86).

Meanwhile, the Knights have no lingering injury worries as they prepare to fly north to Townsville tomorrow for Monday night's clash with the Cowboys. Smith said Adam MacDougall had recovered from the flu and trained on Thursday night.

Origin stars Gidley, Danny Buderus and Steve Simpson are all expected to back up, so the Knights should be as per program when they run out.

That means Junior Sau, who scored two tries on debut last weekend, is likely to remain on stand-by as Newcastle's 18th man.

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That kick to the crowd summed up Kidleys play making attributes.
 
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Jono078

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I'll be shocked if they pick Gidley at halfback, I mean that kick to kill the blues off on Wednesday I thought would have told them 'no, he is not a half'.

I reckon Orford, Kimmorley or Mullen will be halfback if Wallace is still injured.
 

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I'll be shocked if they pick Gidley at halfback, I mean that kick to kill the blues off on Wednesday I thought would have told them 'no, he is not a half'.

I reckon Orford, Kimmorley or Mullen will be halfback if Wallace is still injured.

OR Anasta/Pearce.
 

Jono078

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Yeah I was gonna add Pearce, but I just can't see them chucking him in the biggest game of the year.
 

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Well that's not news to most Knights fans. Apart from his poor kicking he is not an organiser, I just don't think Gidley can run the plays, he just doesn't seem to think more than one play at a time. Fullbacks his spot, that's it, or off the bench and playing a roving role much like Smith had him doing early last season.
 

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From a purely Knights point of view, giving Gidley more experience in the halves at a higher level won't hurt his game.
It would probably cost NSW any chance of a win, but it would make Gidley a better player.
Most playmakers get better and better with age and experience, and a training camp and game as playmaker for NSW is probably worth half a season of the regular comp.
 

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From a purely Knights point of view, giving Gidley more experience in the halves at a higher level won't hurt his game.
It would probably cost NSW any chance of a win, but it would make Gidley a better player.
Most playmakers get better and better with age and experience, and a training camp and game as playmaker for NSW is probably worth half a season of the regular comp.
Seriously Roops Kidley has had a thousand goes at 7 and in all honesty he's no better now than he was all those years ago when Hagan had him running around there. IMO he doesn't have the instincts to be a number7. You've either got it or you haven't I don't think you can learn it.
 

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Seriously Roops Kidley has had a thousand goes at 7 and in all honesty he's no better now than he was all those years ago when Hagan had him running around there. IMO he doesn't have the instincts to be a number7.

Spot on I reckon, his games has come ahead leaps and bounds when he has been away from the halves...he could not kick to save himself and if they play him at half for NSW I reckon it will be a disaster. I

n saying that I also believe that he was not used very well in SOO 2 and he needs to be in a position on the field to have the best impact.
 

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Seriously Roops Kidley has had a thousand goes at 7 and in all honesty he's no better now than he was all those years ago when Hagan had him running around there. IMO he doesn't have the instincts to be a number7. You've either got it or you haven't I don't think you can learn it.
fair enough.
I don't think he has the vision or quick thinking you see in the great playmakers - but i do think it is the one part of the game that just keeps getting better and better the longer people play. Guys like Cliffy Lyons, Terry Lamb, Peter Stirling, Alan Langer etc were all at their best just as their bodies were giving up - and you can make a case that Lockyer has never been more dangerous whenever he can get on the park.
 

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No offence to kurt, but if they want a half back for NSW there is a bloke there with every skill needed and ready to go in Mullen. I dont know why they would persist with playing anyone out of position in such a pressure game.
 

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in all honesty he's no better now than he was all those years ago

Can't agree with that. I reckon he's a better player now. More complete, more consistent, more confident. He is not a natural in the halves, but at the same time I feel the unbending stance that he should never ever be considered there is wrong. He needs to be partnered with an excellent kicker/organiser and a game plan must be structured around his strengths. I concede that all of that is possibly a bit much to throw together for an Origin decider. But with Bails leaving next year, I'm happy with Gids as a back-up option for the Knights in the halves. Paired with Dureau or Mullen, and with Smith making sure the team operates with Gids strengths and weaknesses in mind I feel he can be effective at 6 or 7.
 

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Can't agree with that. I reckon he's a better player now. More complete, more consistent, more confident. He is not a natural in the halves, but at the same time I feel the unbending stance that he should never ever be considered there is wrong. He needs to be partnered with an excellent kicker/organiser and a game plan must be structured around his strengths. I concede that all of that is possibly a bit much to throw together for an Origin decider. But with Bails leaving next year, I'm happy with Gids as a back-up option for the Knights in the halves. Paired with Dureau or Mullen, and with Smith making sure the team operates with Gids strengths and weaknesses in mind I feel he can be effective at 6 or 7.
I agree with that.
I actually think a Dureau/Gidley combination would be a pretty good fit. Dureau could get on with some clever kicking and passing, and Gidley could just look for opportunities for himself.
 

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Highly dubious the Mullo to centre thing will happen. Gids in the halves should be thought of as a solid back-up option. Doubt it will happen if everyone's fit. For one thing, Smith would be reluctant to sacrifice what Gids offers from fullback. The only way I could imagine him being shifted into the halves as part of a preferred line-up is if Dureau (or Walsh if he stays) don't prove up to it in the long run. I'm confident Dureau will, but otherwise it would have to be Mullo/Gids or Mullo/Hilder. Hilder's got a better kicking game but overall I thought he was solid at best in the 6 for the Titans, and besides he will be required to share hooking duties with DeGois next year.
 

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where does that leave mullen ????
I was just floating it as an option if Mullo was out, but no secret i'd love to see if Mullo would be as good at centre as Inglis - who showed in soo that a really athletic guy can do lots with extra room to move.
 

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no coach in their right mind would move their best half to centre.

If Scotty doesn't kick on, Mullo/Stig might be the best halves combo we have in a year - hell, even if Scotty does keep improving, Stig might overtake him.
 

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Can't agree with that. I reckon he's a better player now. More complete, more consistent, more confident. He is not a natural in the halves, but at the same time I feel the unbending stance that he should never ever be considered there is wrong. He needs to be partnered with an excellent kicker/organiser and a game plan must be structured around his strengths. I concede that all of that is possibly a bit much to throw together for an Origin decider. But with Bails leaving next year, I'm happy with Gids as a back-up option for the Knights in the halves. Paired with Dureau or Mullen, and with Smith making sure the team operates with Gids strengths and weaknesses in mind I feel he can be effective at 6 or 7.
I'm not saying he isn't a better player now (he is a much better player) but at 7 IMO he is no better now than he was when Hagan was persisting with him there. I don't think you can manufacture a halfback, one of the most important roles there is to run the plays, I dont think Kidley can do that, he just doesn't show that ability and never has, when pressured there he comes up with panic kicks or nothing plays. Like I said at 7 you've either got it or you haven't. Kidley is a much smarter player now and plays to his strengths, it would be a big mistake to move him out of those areas that he's become accomplished at.
 

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Putting Mullen in the centers is such a waste of natural talent and if we did do it he wouldn't stay at the club. Leave Mullen where he is, let him keep playing at 5/8th and work around him, the more he plays the better he is going to get.

NSW should really take a close look at Feleti Mateo at 5/8th. If Wallace is fit I can see that being a good match. I dont know whether he is eligible yet though there was an article not long ago saying he had some papers f**ked up or something.
 
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