Some people need to stop whinging and get over themselves

[Swiftstylez]

I suppose Tim Smith felt the full support of the fans during his time at the club and it had no effect on him.

This is true... just got back from the game, I'm really too upset to comment right now... I think this is going to last a few days. They played well but the tight loss hurt more

 

[Fathead]

This is true... just got back from the game, I'm really too upset to comment right now... I think this is going to last a few days. They played well but the tight loss hurt more

And which game were you watching pray tell ?

 

[Ron Jeremy]

So you are able to mention 2 players in about the last 8 years well done yeah we have lost heaps. Willie Tonga how would you have proposed to keep him, which international centre would you have released. Oh I know you have hindsight so you'd say either. Those guys were Lyon and Vaealiki were about the best in the business it would have been an uproar if we released one to keep Tonga. Who by the way has had about one decent season and been injured nearly every other one.
Casey McGuire was nearly 10 years ago, he was a utility player, he played 2 origin games when qld were at a low ebb.
Anyone please in the last 5 years, beacuse your strike rate is pretty good. You have gone back 5 and 9 years ago to get 2 names.

hahahahaha HE STILL PLAYED ORIGIN, HE ALSO PLAYED FG UNDER BENNETT IN A PREMIERSHIP WINING SIDE!

Five years? well Ryan, Pat Richards, Delaney, Robbo ( orignially), Donald, Chris Armit, you want more?

No I asked you to tell me, I can't do your thinking for you.

Done

One game, these 2 guys are our biggest problem they are too slow around the ruck in defence, when they make tackles the opposition gets a roll on, I don't know how many times Paulo or Weller were actually out of the play at marker tonight. You can make the odd indent but if you can't keep up with the play in defence you are a massive liability. Hey and these are 23 and 25 year old guys, not 19 year olds, they need to shape up soon or are you waiting till 30.

watch tonight, they matched Brisbanes forwards....

This is what I mean you happy to shift blame to certain parties but give others breathing space or absolve them of all responsibility. The simplest response, Its the coaches fault.

who gets balmed in the workplace if everythings going to ****? managament! why they're the ones who organize the team, managment of Parra is the same, no one to blame but them!! sorry dude

Okay invite me to go on I will, Petero, Thorn, Tate, Berrigan, Carlaw. For those above signings, lose 5 origin players, plus they released Tame Tupoa. To sign simms, clinton, Pj, and Wallace. There is no way that quota is equal. And those 6 players they lost in one year would outweigh in quality our losses over 5 years.

Lockyer, Hunt, Ennis, Hodges, Carroll, Eastwood, Simms, Clinton, Michaels, Moon, Parker etc doesn't look to bad on paper does it? better then Wagon, Lowrie, Burt, Grothe haha

They have also Lost Tonga for next year. Since 2004 and including next year they have lost, Harris, Tonga, Anasta, Sherwin, O'Meely, Asotasi, Mason, Price, Thurston. Thats 7 guys who have played test footy. So please do try and make a case for their balance sheet looking better than ours. Get your blinkers off.

Yes, but were able to address those problems as well, even with half those players gone they have figured in the semi's two years straight and are currently playing better then our all star side lol

Yeah this year and last year they have lost or will lose, Cross, King, Newton, Folou, and Crocker, 3 internationals in that lot. The year before they lost Kidwell, Scott Hill and Nathan Friend. The only player they have really bought in was Quinn. So how are they balancing their books, when players come off contract they lose them. Their net balance is not good, once again shift those blinkers please.

Smith, Inglis, Cronk, White, Smith, Slater etc.........mmmm lthey can manage the books

I go one because they were the hottest properties on the market and we retained them, which says our management is not as bad as you have made out.

The funny thing is Tonga was also the hottest property on the market at the time but we couldn't retain him, as too is Williams, hmmmm, do go on...

Fix all that you are complaining about, I don't hear any solutions once again I am not here to do your thinking.

why, am i being paid to do the job? no, start paying me and i will!

 

[Ant]

hahahahaha HE STILL PLAYED ORIGIN, HE ALSO PLAYED FG UNDER BENNETT IN A PREMIERSHIP WINING SIDE!

He was a bit part player off the bench, I mean honestly you are trying to tell me about the awesome players we have let go and Casey McGuire is the best you can do.

Five years? well Ryan, Pat Richards, Delaney, Robbo ( orignially), Donald, Chris Armit, you want more?

See you just can't do it, Richards left 6 years ago as did Robinson. Delaney yes, Armit yes, but do you think anyone is crying about Chris Armit. Delaney you would have kept him ahead of Tahu, Hayne, Ben Smith and Inu, oh no sorry your philosophy is keep them all. You have nothing, we are trying to find these major players who have left in the last 5 years and you have Chris Armit as one of them.

watch tonight, they matched Brisbanes forwards....

They didn't quite simply watch again, look how many times Paulo and weller are in tackles that have fast play the balls. Weller made one long run when he beat no one, he made 2 other runs in the match. I'm sorry but I think you seem to miss all the small things in the match that actually cause us to lose the battle. A couple of big runs don't make a great game.

Lockyer, Hunt, Ennis, Hodges, Carroll, Eastwood, Simms, Clinton, Michaels, Moon, Parker etc doesn't look to bad on paper does it? better then Wagon, Lowrie, Burt, Grothe haha

I'm sorry but you just cut and paste certain players to suit your argument, you include all of brisbane's big names and none of ours thats a joke.
Hindmarsh, Cayless, Mateo, Hayne, Inu looks a bit better. Lets not forget Ennis and Sims were rejects. Moon gee you are stretching.
You are like the chinese media you only print what suits you.

Yes, but were able to address those problems as well, even with half those players gone they have figured in the semi's two years straight and are currently playing better then our all star side lol

This is the craziest quote of all, they still had most of those players 2 years ago and still had mason, sherwin, O'Meeley and tonga last year. They are sitting 3rd last and have won a game less than us, so where your lol comes from I'm not sure, it can be only be a chuckle at your own ill thought out argument.

Smith, Inglis, Cronk, White, Smith, Slater etc.........mmmm lthey can manage the books

Yeah and they have had to let everyone else go around them, 6 of their grand final winning side from 2007 will be gone at the end of this year, including 3 internationals. They are managing those 6 guys because they are unable to keep everyone else. By the end of this year in 2 years they have lost 9 players, 5 of them internationals (King, Crocker, Folau, Hill, Kidwell) , 2 origin players (cross and geyer) and 2 others who played in grand finals (Newton and Friend). That is how they are managing their side. This whole debate was about parra losing all thier players while other clubs didn't well its just not true.

The funny thing is Tonga was also the hottest property on the market at the time but we couldn't retain him, as too is Williams, hmmmm, do go on...

You could try, but you have nothing to go on with. Tonga had played first grade and shown some ability at that level, quite different to williams current state. Once again as CEO you would have booted out which of our international centres who were under contract, do tell.

why, am i being paid to do the job? no, start paying me and i will!

This response is just pathetic, a whinger with zero ideas, glad you don't have the reigns to the club.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

He was a bit part player off the bench, I mean honestly you are trying to tell me about the awesome players we have let go and Casey McGuire is the best you can do.

He played SOO, you have no idea do u?

See you just can't do it, Richards left 6 years ago as did Robinson. Delaney yes, Armit yes, but do you think anyone is crying about Chris Armit. Delaney you would have kept him ahead of Tahu, Hayne, Ben Smith and Inu, oh no sorry your philosophy is keep them all. You have nothing, we are trying to find these major players who have left in the last 5 years and you have Chris Armit as one of them.

No i mentionjed them,however Parramattta have been able to keep the majority of jr's. However if it wasnt for Hagan we would have lost Feleti and possibly Hayne and Inu. And no my philospy isn't to keep them all you dickhead, i'm trying to actually piss off many of them, including Cayless!

They didn't quite simply watch again, look how many times Paulo and weller are in tackles that have fast play the balls. Weller made one long run when he beat no one, he made 2 other runs in the match. I'm sorry but I think you seem to miss all the small things in the match that actually cause us to lose the battle. A couple of big runs don't make a great game.

They looked all right tonight, you were probably the one cheering Eric Grothe, knowing you, you probably even thought he had a good game haha

I'm sorry but you just cut and paste certain players to suit your argument, you include all of brisbane's big names and none of ours thats a joke.

You have just ****ed your hole argument, it was meant to **** you up and you were clueless

Hindmarsh, Cayless, Mateo, Hayne, Inu looks a bit better. Lets not forget Ennis and Sims were rejects. Moon gee you are stretching.

hahahaha so they look better then Lockyer, Hunt, Hannant, Thaiday, Hodges, do remind me how many parra player are in origin? so you know more then the selectors do you?

You are like the chinese media you only print what suits you.

You are like a turd that wont flush

This is the craziest quote of all, they still had most of those players 2 years ago and still had mason, sherwin, O'Meeley and tonga last year. They are sitting 3rd last and have won a game less than us, so where your lol comes from I'm not sure, it can be only be a chuckle at your own ill thought out argument.

How are they going again compared to our allegded all star line up, ffs even Canberra are going better then us

Yeah and they have had to let everyone else go around them, 6 of their grand final winning side from 2007 will be gone at the end of this year, including 3 internationals. They are managing those 6 guys because they are unable to keep everyone else. By the end of this year in 2 years they have lost 9 players, 5 of them internationals (King, Crocker, Folau, Hill, Kidwell) , 2 origin players (cross and geyer) and 2 others who played in grand finals (Newton and Friend). That is how they are managing their side. This whole debate was about parra losing all thier players while other clubs didn't well its just not true.

How many SOO players do they again? i dont care whatever else you said because it's irrelavent

You could try, but you have nothing to go on with. Tonga had played first grade and shown some ability at that level, quite different to williams current state. Once again as CEO you would have booted out which of our international centres who were under contract, do tell.

Well considering he was publishised in the paper i dare say many viewed him as a talent, Manly are currrently were on the ladder? and i dare say know more about player recruitment then us!

This response is just pathetic, a whinger with zero ideas, glad you don't have the reigns to the club.

Sorry dickhead, what does Fitzy know about the health sector?

 

[Ant]

He played SOO, you have no idea do u?

Okay there is no giving in you are going to claim him as some sort of superstar who left us as a young player, even though he barely started a game where ever he played. But yeah he had some quality, the reason he went to brisbane is never really made one position his own, a utility player is no saviour. Daniel Wagon started a whole origin series at 5/8th does that make him a great 5/8th.

No i mentionjed them,however Parramattta have been able to keep the majority of jr's. However if it wasnt for Hagan we would have lost Feleti and possibly Hayne and Inu. And no my philospy isn't to keep them all you dickhead, i'm trying to actually piss off many of them, including Cayless!

On what basis do you base we would have lost those guys?? You are only speculating. Oh and well done on the name calling going to throw some mud at me next.

They looked all right tonight, you were probably the one cheering Eric Grothe, knowing you, you probably even thought he had a good game haha

Watch the game again, like I said you seem to have no idea of all the subtle things needed to win a match, one 70m run where he beat no one you saying weller had a good game. They are too slow in the ruck defencively, this is where you win and lose the game. Just ask the qld SOS side, do you think slater, inglis, hodges, folou got useless overnight, no there forwards were contained and they lost the ruck area.
No I don't think Grothe had a great game, but I also know he wasn't to blame for our loss. He stuffed up on one try, the rest were the fault of the guys in the middle leaving him facing 2 or 3 on 1 situations.

You have just ****ed your hole argument, it was meant to **** you up and you were clueless

No it wasn't meant to make me look clueless, it was you not having a leg to stand on in your argument and when it was shown you are trying to worm your way out of it.

hahahaha so they look better then Lockyer, Hunt, Hannant, Thaiday, Hodges, do remind me how many parra player are in origin? so you know more then the selectors do you?

Apparently those players who are so much better could only beat us in the last minute.

You are like a turd that wont flush

Do you think of that all by yourself, spend too much time in public toilets me thinks.

How are they going again compared to our allegded all star line up, ffs even Canberra are going better then us

Well despite our position on the ladder you would have us believe that sides equal with us or below us are going better.

How many SOO players do they again? i dont care whatever else you said because it's irrelavent

No you choose to ignore relevent points because they make you look silly. Mateo and Hindy are not current origin players should we boot them??

Well considering he was publishised in the paper i dare say many viewed him as a talent, Manly are currrently were on the ladder? and i dare say know more about player recruitment then us!

When was the last time they won a premiership, 1996 so they have obviously recruited well since then 12 years ago, because we know only winning a premiership is deemed success.

Sorry dickhead, what does Fitzy know about the health sector?

I assume you work in the health sector although I do fear for our safety if thats the case. The key difference with you and Fitzy is you are telling him how to do his job and he's not telling you how to do yours.
But no you aren't telling him how to the job your complaining and presenting no solutions.

 

[Swiftstylez]

and Which Game Were You Watching Pray Tell ?

Omfg Just Stop Already

 

[Eelementary]

We had a great chance in 2001, no doubt, we lost by a try and anyone could you tell the knights only lost one game all year when Joey played. We were beaten by a better side, with the game's greatest modern player at the helm.

I'm not sure which other year you are talking about probably 2005, you mean the year we finished minor premiers by a whisker then lost Fui Fui and Hindmarsh for the finals. We were not that good in 2005, cowboys finished 4 points behind us on the table, we lost our best player in the final round but still managed to look good beating a terrible manly side, but we let in 22 points. You could see it coming, not suprisingly we were beaten up the middle without those good forwards. I think with Hindy and Fui we go a long way.

I'm sure you will say excuses, but quite simply they are reasons we lost, we were not good enough and not lucky enough.

Not that good? St. George and Parramatta were destined to meet in the Grand Final. It was deadset our best chance at a title, and we blew it - choking to lose 29-nil to a team we put 50 on in Sydney earlier that year.

Even you admit - we were not good enough. Why? Because we're mediocre. We've won nothing in two decades and will probably not win anything else for two decades but with people continuing to accept it, everything is great.

If threats of extinction are real, and Parramatta being on the chopping block is real, then a Premiership is our only hope. And it will not be coming any time soon unless drastic changes occur.

 

[HevyDevy]

I'm not sure that winning a premiership would make any difference to survival Eelementary but I agree with everything else you said.

As I've said before, it's one thing to sit around saying 'We've still got half the season to go, we'll get better' but that's not the real issue.

The problem is that we are struggling in 2008 and will field a WEAKER squad in 2009.

We have lost a number of experienced players for next season and haven't signed a single person. And how is that possible? Given that we had already re-signed Inu and Hayne well before Tim Smith left and Riddell was released, how is that we can be dead quiet in the player market?

Apart from Michael Ennis, we haven't even been linked with anyone!!

It doesn't exactly warm the cockles of expectation now does it?

 

[parra pete]

I assume you work in the health sector although I do fear for our safety if thats the case. The key difference with you and Fitzy is you are telling him how to do his job and he's not telling you how to do yours.


Pox Doctor's Clerk? :lol:

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Okay there is no giving in you are going to claim him as some sort of superstar who left us as a young player, even though he barely started a game where ever he played. But yeah he had some quality, the reason he went to brisbane is never really made one position his own, a utility player is no saviour. Daniel Wagon started a whole origin series at 5/8th does that make him a great 5/8th.

On what basis do you base we would have lost those guys?? You are only speculating. Oh and well done on the name calling going to throw some mud at me next.

Watch the game again, like I said you seem to have no idea of all the subtle things needed to win a match, one 70m run where he beat no one you saying weller had a good game. They are too slow in the ruck defencively, this is where you win and lose the game. Just ask the qld SOS side, do you think slater, inglis, hodges, folou got useless overnight, no there forwards were contained and they lost the ruck area.
No I don't think Grothe had a great game, but I also know he wasn't to blame for our loss. He stuffed up on one try, the rest were the fault of the guys in the middle leaving him facing 2 or 3 on 1 situations.

No it wasn't meant to make me look clueless, it was you not having a leg to stand on in your argument and when it was shown you are trying to worm your way out of it.

Apparently those players who are so much better could only beat us in the last minute.

Do you think of that all by yourself, spend too much time in public toilets me thinks.

Well despite our position on the ladder you would have us believe that sides equal with us or below us are going better.

No you choose to ignore relevent points because they make you look silly. Mateo and Hindy are not current origin players should we boot them??

When was the last time they won a premiership, 1996 so they have obviously recruited well since then 12 years ago, because we know only winning a premiership is deemed success.


I assume you work in the health sector although I do fear for our safety if thats the case. The key difference with you and Fitzy is you are telling him how to do his job and he's not telling you how to do yours.
But no you aren't telling him how to the job your complaining and presenting no solutions.

Jesus christ, this argument is going no where:crazy:

Put it simply, we haven't won a comp in 22 years, and our player retention is one reason why we haven't won a comp.

Knock yourself out over that:lol:

 

[Ron Jeremy]

And no i don't work in the health sector:lol:

 

[parra pete]

And no i don't work in the health sector:lol:

What he meant was he NEEDS HELP from the Health Sector....:lol:

 

[Ant]

Jesus christ, this argument is going no where:crazy:

Put it simply, we haven't won a comp in 22 years, and our player retention is one reason why we haven't won a comp.

Knock yourself out over that:lol:

The prosecution (Ron) has no more evidence and lacked much in first case and has therefore chosen to close precedings with a nothing statement.

The defence simply chooses to rest comfortable with the evidence presented and hopes the prosecution spends more money on their barrister next time, rather than employ an overweight porn star.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

The prosecution (Ron) has no more evidence and lacked much in first case and has therefore chosen to close precedings with a nothing statement.

The defence simply chooses to rest comfortable with the evidence presented and hopes the prosecution spends more money on their barrister next time, rather than employ an overweight porn star.

No, i have explained everything, their is nothing more to say other then 22 years and **** all, poor player retention etc

The court finds Dennis Fitzgerald guilty:lol:

* Women outside throw themselves at RJ over the victory*

22 years and **** all, management is responsible for that, no matter what you say that's the bottom line, and if other teams with more stars then us can balance the books eg Melbourne, Brisbane then so can we. Even with the players they let go they're still higher then us on the ladder, and have won comps recently.

Knock yourself out:lol:

 

[Ron Jeremy]

What he meant was he NEEDS HELP from the Health Sector....:lol:

:lol:

 

[hineyrulz]

As Ronny has said, at the end of the day 22 years and we have won **** all, and the way things are going it will be another 22 yrs. We are struggling this season and will be weaker next year, those are the facts and whatever spin people try and put on it.

 

[Fathead]

Omfg Just Stop Already

Thats a very strange response :?

With so much discussion on the forum about who went well and who didnt and with views so diametrically opposed, I just wanted to know how YOU saw the game.
As in I was interested in YOUR interpretation.

Obviously not worth writing about from your response.

 

[Ant]

As Ronny has said, at the end of the day 22 years and we have won **** all, and the way things are going it will be another 22 yrs. We are struggling this season and will be weaker next year, those are the facts and whatever spin people try and put on it.

And I guess in the end it is hard to argue with that blunt fact, that we have not managed to win a title since 86.

But I would still argue that our recruitment and retention in recent years has not been horrible at all. While we have not won a title which I know is the be all and end all, we have been a highly competitive club for the last 10 years.
If you just take premiership finishing position over the last 10 years we are the 3rd best performing club in the league behind Brisbane and Melbourne, we have also had more top 4 finishes that any club with 6 of the last 10 seasons. We have missed the finals twice in that time only brisbane betters that record.

So no doubt you will call that spin, but bar winning the premiership we have had a highly successful club over the last 10 years. The problem is its such a huge thing to win.
I wonder would people prefer to be tigers fans, they are the 2nd worst performing side over the last 10 years, only made the finals once, but won the title that year. Does that mean their management is better than ours??

Also I think mid season predicitions or even pre-season predictions on where teams will finish is rarely accurate. People predicted us to win or come 2nd this year.

I also think people who write the eels off as top 4 or top 8 chances in the early or mid season usually end up with egg on their faces, as we usually storm home in the 2nd half of the year and the performance against Brisbane who I would think are currently equal 2nd favs for the comp with the roosters behind the storm would give us plenty of hope.

The next 4 rounds are huge now, with games against the raiders, tigers, sharks and storm (minus origin players).

 

[Swiftstylez]

Thats a very strange response :?

With so much discussion on the forum about who went well and who didnt and with views so diametrically opposed, I just wanted to know how YOU saw the game.
As in I was interested in YOUR interpretation.

Obviously not worth writing about from your response.

Well obviously you are alleging that they didn't play well, and I was about to go to bed and was not pleased with it. Sure they were very ill disciplined (which is actually different to usual) but at least they had some attacking flair and a general overall ability to defend their own goal line. Much improved from weeks gone by and if we can play like that against other quality opposition, I'm sure that we can string a few wins together. I actually went to the game. It was a very heartbreaking finish.