Southern Bears

[Perth Red]

The thing is the bears brand could very well be back in the nrl. It would just require north sydney to give up ownership of it like Fitzroy and south Melbourne did in the other code.

If ns gave up their ridiculous claim to a license and moved to be happy to be a minor partner and production partner for a new nrl club the bears brand and colours could be back in the nrl.

Sadly nrl not being honest with them continues to see them clinging to a dream of a return like a drowning man clinging to a log. I suspect with admission of the dolphins it will only reinforce their delusional believe one day a ns owned bears will be back in The nrl.

 

[Perth Red]

You’d think after 25 years, with their onfield success and with that population the Storm would have made more of an imprint in the State of VIC or are you just being like Billy Moore in quoting population figures that don’t really give a shit about your team ?

Top three watched on Tv, top three attendance avg, top three in memberships. making a healthy profit, playing ina state of the art stadium, now a nationally recognised sports brand, producing high quality nrl players, only non heartland club taking the fight to afl. All in all one of rl’s rare expansion success stories.

 

[greenBV4]

You’d think after 25 years, with their onfield success and with that population the Storm would have made more of an imprint in the State of VIC or are you just being like Billy Moore in quoting population figures that don’t really give a shit about your team ?

As i replied to you literally just a few posts ago there's atleast 4 Victorian players in the 2023 extended squad, and has been a few here and there over the years

Honestly is a surprise any affiliate state locals can make the nrl with pitiful funding they recieve, and thus sub par competitions they play in

Its great melbourne a finally getting a little more involved in the game at grassroots but end of the day their purpose is to win premierships and gain supporters, both of which they've been highly successful at through identifying the best teenagers, wherever they may be, getting them into their various junior systems, and moulding them into a-grade first graders, just look at the number of quality players have made their nrl debut at Melbourne over the years

This is where a first grade clubs priorities should lie if they want to be successful

 

[Perth Red]

As i replied to you literally just a few posts ago there's atleast 4 Victorian players in the 2023 extended squad, and has been a few here and there over the years

Honestly is a surprise any affiliate state locals can make the nrl with pitiful funding they recieve, and thus sub par competitions they play in

Its great melbourne a finally getting a little more involved in the game at grassroots but end of the day their purpose is to win premierships and gain supporters, both of which they've been highly successful at through identifying the best teenagers, wherever they may be, getting them into their various junior systems, and moulding them into a-grade first graders, just look at the number of quality players have made their nrl debut at Melbourne over the years

This is where a first grade clubs priorities should lie if they want to be successful

Yep take the $700k Vic and wa get and make it $7mill and you’ll see a shed load more nrl players come from those states.

Fans and sponsors dont care where a player was born or played as a kid, they care if their club is winning games.

 

[greenBV4]

Yep take the $700k Vic and wa get and make it $7mill and you’ll see a shed load more nrl players come from those states.

Fans and sponsors dont care where a player was born or played as a kid, they care if their club is winning games.

Exactly

Clubs are businesses, with stakeholders that expect somewhat fast results, fielding a team of only Victorians at this stage would not gain this (and tbh im pretty at sure almost every club actual locals would be a minority anyway)

Leagues clubs on the other hand, and it's important and often forgotten to distinguish the difference between this and the NRL club they own, are non for profit and have licensing terms dictating they must spend gambling profits on the local community

Expansion clubs like Melbourne are not owned by leagues clubs

 

[westerntiger]

Bengaluru Bears

Six games in Bengaluru, four in Perth, one at central coast, one heritage game against manly at north Sydney oval

 

[Centy Coast]

S

As i replied to you literally just a few posts ago there's atleast 4 Victorian players in the 2023 extended squad, and has been a few here and there over the years

Honestly is a surprise any affiliate state locals can make the nrl with pitiful funding they recieve, and thus sub par competitions they play in

Its great melbourne a finally getting a little more involved in the game at grassroots but end of the day their purpose is to win premierships and gain supporters, both of which they've been highly successful at through identifying the best teenagers, wherever they may be, getting them into their various junior systems, and moulding them into a-grade first graders, just look at the number of quality players have made their nrl debut at Melbourne over the years

This is where a first grade clubs priorities should lie if they want to be successful

So forget grassroots ?, that’s great for the game

 

[Gobsmacked]

You’d think after 25 years, with their onfield success and with that population the Storm would have made more of an imprint in the State of VIC or are you just being like Billy Moore in quoting population figures that don’t really give a shit about your team ?

My team? Not my team. Soon to be the biggest city in Australia , the entire pacific actually. We have to have a team there.
But it is an AFL state and that's what comes with an AFL state.. hence my apprehension to a Perth team.

 

[Perth Red]

S

So forget grassroots ?, that’s great for the game

thats the arlc and state bodies job. Not an nrl clubs job. their job is to take the best 16 year olds and turn them into competent first graders. If the arlc is doing its job then there will be plenty of 16 year olds for clubs to pick from.

 

[greenBV4]

S

So forget grassroots ?, that’s great for the game

No

They'll still be leagues clubs, there's plenty of leagues clubs without NRL clubs developing grassroots

And they'll probably always be the leagues club owned NRL development clubs, but again, this funding comes from leagues club operations not nrl club - so you can't put the same grassroots criteria on privately owned clubs or you'll never manage to find a private owner for a club

Then also the ARLC needs to up its game big time and stop cutting funding to grassroots and development, especially in the affiliate states. If they ever want to see proper growth there it'll need much bigger sustained investment. Throw NZ and the pacific into that statement as well

 

[Perth Red]

My team? Not my team. Soon to be the biggest city in Australia , the entire pacific actually. We have to have a team there.
But it is an AFL state and that's what comes with an AFL state.. hence my apprehension to a Perth team.

Perth has always had a stronger RL grassroots than Melbourne despite the population difference.

 

[Perth Red]

No

They'll still be leagues clubs, there's plenty of leagues clubs without NRL clubs developing grassroots

And they'll probably always be the leagues club owned NRL development clubs, but again, this funding comes from leagues club operations not nrl club - so you can't put the same grassroots criteria on privately owned clubs or you'll never manage to find a private owner for a club

Then also the ARLC needs to up its game big time and stop cutting funding to grassroots and development, especially in the affiliate states. If they ever want to see proper growth there it'll need much bigger sustained investment. Throw NZ and the pacific into that statement as well

Yep, consider this, the arlc spends less than $3million total a year developing grassroots in nz, Vic and WA! That’s around 12.5 million people! about 0.5% of the games revenue!
then people wonder why we don’t see many players come out of these places lol.

 

[Centy Coast]

Yep take the $700k Vic and wa get and make it $7mill and you’ll see a shed load more nrl players come from those states.

Fans and sponsors dont care where a player was born or played as a kid, they care if their club is winning games.

Do you think that if rugby league participation numbers were higher both VIC and WA that 700K would be sufficiently higher ?.
WA has an excuse though, they don’t have an NRL team and were only represented at the top level for three years when they did.

 

[Perth Red]

Do you think that if rugby league participation numbers were higher both VIC and WA that 700K would be sufficiently higher ?.
WA has an excuse though, they don’t have an NRL team and were only represented at the top level for five years when they did.

No. I think it’s been proven numerous times that investment equals returns.
If we want more kids playing the game in these places we need more development officers, more shs scholarship programs, more schools playing touch, more funding for states (insurance, kit, rep teams etc) so it’s cheapest option for kids to play RL, better coaching training, better training facilities for grassroot clubs, better marketing and promotion and so it goes on.

kids sport is a very crowded market and in development states you are running uphill with half a century of neglect to overcome.

In WAwe are facing an uphill fight to convince kids to play league over union. Twiggy is chipping in millions to grassroots rugby (double what arlc funds nrlwa) and the best kids can stay home and develop a career with the Force. And you are surprised we don’t have many WA players in nrl? We have 4 development officers and $700k funding to try and combat that!

then we need nrl clubs investing decent amounts in elite pathway programs and scouting to find the Best of these kids and develop them better.

 

[greenBV4]

Do you think that if rugby league participation numbers were higher both VIC and WA that 700K would be sufficiently higher ?.
WA has an excuse though, they don’t have an NRL team and were only represented at the top level for five years when they did.

Chicken, egg

An nrl team isn't the catalyst for grassroots, sure it can help inspire but in reality it's funding, facilities, and getting into schools - all of which the NRL sucks at

 

[greenBV4]

No. I think it’s been proven numerous times that investment equals returns.
If we want more kids playing the game in these places we need more development officers, more shs scholarship programs, more schools playing touch, more funding for states (insurance, kit, rep teams etc) so it’s cheapest option for kids to play RL, better coaching training, better training facilities for grassroot clubs, better marketing and promotion and so it goes on.

kids sport is a very crowded market and in development states you are running uphill with half a century of neglect to overcome.

then we need nrl clubs investing decent amounts in elite pathway programs and scouting to find the Best of these kids and develop them better.

School years - ARLC via State Leagues (with leagues clubs chipping in if present)

School leavers - NRL Clubs

It's really quite simple

 

[Centy Coast]

N

School years - ARLC via State Leagues (with leagues clubs chipping in if present)

School leavers - NRL Clubs

It's really quite simple

No wonder the game is dying a slow death and they say that there isn’t enough talent around for the current teams let alone future expansion

 

[greenBV4]

Another example of the arlc failing and relying solely on leagues clubs is country nsw

It was always alarming growing up on the northern rivers that pretty much every school in the area had auskick programs for every school year, and nothing from the NRL/arlc at school level, some teachers would personally throw together a team for some years at some schools but nothing consistent and nothing in terms of funding

This is literally NRL heartland and because there's no club or leagues club it's left to fend for itself

Eventually when they got in the titans made visits every now and then but again nothing really of worth, and nothing in terms of programs, it's a huge area for a club like the Gold Coast to tend to on its own without arlc support

 

[Perth Red]

N

No wonder the game is dying a slow death and they say that there isn’t enough talent around for the current teams let alone future expansion

Nrl clubs have never funded grassroots, certainly not in the modern professional era. Some of them have leagues clubs that do but I’m not aware of any nrl club that’s spending money on pure grassroots participation beyond school,visits etc.

clubs spend on elite development to develop first graders, that is very different

 

[greenBV4]

Nrl clubs have never funded grassroots, certainly not in the modern professional era. Some of them have leagues clubs that do but I’m not aware of any nrl club that’s spending money on pure grassroots participation beyond school,visits etc.

clubs spend on elite development to develop first graders, that is very different

And these leagues clubs aren't spending this from the good of their hearts, it's literally a legal responsibility they are obligated to make in order to maintain their venue licensing

You can't expect these same payments to be made from private owners