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And these leagues clubs aren't spending this from the good of their hearts, it's literally a legal responsibility they are obligated to make in order to maintain their venue licensing

You can't expect these same payments to be made from private owners
It’s actually a pittance of revenue as well! Under 3%-5% for most of them. Panthers LC for example don’t give any cash to grassroots league in their area (they do provide some office space free of charge)

what nsw does have is a stack of development officers and $20mill plus of arlc funding going to it. Still not enough but compared to other places it’s much much more.

what nrl could do is give a free ga/non ticketed membership to every rl registered jnr in the country,
 

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Back to topic, Centy how would you feel if NS Handed the bears brand over to a consortium in another city?

So let’s say a perth consortium wanted to partner with NS. The license is owned by perth club and all administration etc is based in perth. Ns still exists and has a development role in Sydney but other than that no control or say in the new club. As a fan would you be ok with that or not? Presuming guarantees were in place re brand and partnership protection
 

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Back to topic, Centy how would you feel if NS Handed the bears brand over to a consortium in another city?

So let’s say a perth consortium wanted to partner with NS. The license is owned by perth club and all administration etc is based in perth. Ns still exists and has a development role in Sydney but other than that no control or say in the new club. As a fan would you be ok with that or not? Presuming guarantees were in place re brand and partnership protection
That’s a good question and as I was around during the Northern Eagles debacle I am very cautious which is why I understand your feelings towards the Bears.
I’d like everything to be 50/50, Daniel Dickson has mentioned his non negotiables e.g. ownership, the Bear logo and the colours red and black.
I have to admit that even I cringed when I listened to his message.
I myself think the Bears need to be WA, it’s all or nothing, I understand that they would like one or two games at North Sydney Oval and maybe do that initially but imo teams will hate travelling to Perth.
If there is a Heritige round why not but one game only, teams hated travelling to Perth to play the Reds, and I feel that over time to play Manly at North Sydney Oval will feel like giving up a home game only to give the advantage to Manly as the Perth Bears would have to travel across Australia while Manly only has to cross the Spit Bridge.
I’ve added a recent poll from the Bears fan page the Den.
There are still alot of Bears fans who want the Bears playing out of North Sydney Oval or Central Coast Stadium, ffs that boat sailed many, many years ago.
 

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Imagine if every club got the leg up the Mexicans have received since they have been in the NRL.
Debut season 1998, teams like the Western Reds and Hunter Mariners were punted to make way for the Storm allowing the Storm to pick the very best players from both squads which gave the Storm a fairytale entry into the NRL.
In Melbournes first 10 years they ran at a heavy loss each season but were propped up by owners News Ltd and let’s not mention the two sets of books when optioning their illegal premiership victories.
Ah yes the Melbourne Storm, 25 years in the State of Victoria and they still haven’t developed a player in their current NRL squad born and bred from that State, that’s pretty embarrassing for a club that frequently turns fringe first graders into superstars.
Maybe focus on your own cheating club before kicking the Bears while they strive to survive.
Yep giving a leg up to a brand new market with 5 million potential supporters is a really bad idea. Propping up a dead club with a proven record of failure in an over saturated market is much smarter. Seriously mate move on. Melbourne add far more to the comp than a revived bears ever would. I’m not sure who is more irritating. Perth Red or bring back the bears supporters.
 

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Yep giving a leg up to a brand new market with 5 million potential supporters is a really bad idea. Propping up a dead club with a proven record of failure in an over saturated market is much smarter. Seriously mate move on. Melbourne add far more to the comp than a revived bears ever would. I’m not sure who is more irritating. Perth Red or bring back the bears supporters.
Here we go again with the Billy Moore statistics, actually the only difference between Perth and Melbourne is that rugby league is more established in WA and they don’t even have a team in the NRL.
And as for proven records of failure, being a Sharks supporter you’d know all about that, so we’ve got something in common.
 

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Here we go again with the Billy Moore statistics, actually the only difference between Perth and Melbourne is that rugby league is more established in WA and they don’t even have a team in the NRL.
That may have been the case and it may suit your argument but it simply isn’t true anymore. Do some research before making self serving rubbish assertions.
 

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That may have been the case and it may suit your argument but it simply isn’t true anymore. Do some research before making self serving rubbish assertions.
Because the Sharks trophy cabinet is so full hahaha, what an idiot you are
 

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That’s a good question and as I was around during the Northern Eagles debacle I am very cautious which is why I understand your feelings towards the Bears.
I’d like everything to be 50/50, Daniel Dickson has mentioned his non negotiables e.g. ownership, the Bear logo and the colours red and black.
I have to admit that even I cringed when I listened to his message.
I myself think the Bears need to be WA, it’s all or nothing, I understand that they would like one or two games at North Sydney Oval and maybe do that initially but imo teams will hate travelling to Perth.
If there is a Heritige round why not but one game only, teams hated travelling to Perth to play the Reds, and I feel that over time to play Manly at North Sydney Oval will feel like giving up a home game only to give the advantage to Manly as the Perth Bears would have to travel across Australia while Manly only has to cross the Spit Bridge.
I’ve added a recent poll from the Bears fan page the Den.
There are still alot of Bears fans who want the Bears playing out of North Sydney Oval or Central Coast Stadium, ffs that boat sailed many, many years ago.
Cheers, Yeh it’s a hard balance between ensuring the bears ns history is respected but making sure it looks, feels, acts and smells like a genuine perth club.
End of day the club would fail or succeed depending on how perth fans and corporates support it, not how many ns old fans it brings back.
I can’t see the ns board agreeing to hand over the brand and I can’t see a perth consortium accepting ns owning the license. Given that I’m not sure there’s much hope of it happening. Which is kind of a shame as I can see advantage to a west coast bears club if done properly.

maybe their best hope will be somewhere that can not ever stand alone or doesn’t have any viable owners bidding like png, Adelaide or arguably Christchurch. Ns could then keep the license and do what they please. Be interesting to know if the nrl would accept that or not.
 

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That’s a good question and as I was around during the Northern Eagles debacle I am very cautious which is why I understand your feelings towards the Bears.
I’d like everything to be 50/50, Daniel Dickson has mentioned his non negotiables e.g. ownership, the Bear logo and the colours red and black.
I have to admit that even I cringed when I listened to his message.
I myself think the Bears need to be WA, it’s all or nothing, I understand that they would like one or two games at North Sydney Oval and maybe do that initially but imo teams will hate travelling to Perth.
If there is a Heritige round why not but one game only, teams hated travelling to Perth to play the Reds, and I feel that over time to play Manly at North Sydney Oval will feel like giving up a home game only to give the advantage to Manly as the Perth Bears would have to travel across Australia while Manly only has to cross the Spit Bridge.
I’ve added a recent poll from the Bears fan page the Den.
There are still alot of Bears fans who want the Bears playing out of North Sydney Oval or Central Coast Stadium, ffs that boat sailed many, many years ago.
Thanks for the insight from a Bears fan.

I think you hit on some good points there - in that for it to really work, they'd have to be "all in" to whatever new market the team is based in.. and any revived Bears team would have so many away games in Sydney that taking home games there actually plays into the hands of their opponents.

My biggest concern is the kind of deadlock or boardroom struggle that could happen between Perth and Norths factions - especially under a "everything to be 50/50" setup. It's been the Achilles Heel of joint ventures before, and I have worries that it could hold a Perth Bears (or *where-ever* Bears) club back from It's potential.

Do you have any thoughts on that possibility, and how the pitfalls of other joint ventures could be avoided?
 

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Thanks for the insight from a Bears fan.

I think you hit on some good points there - in that for it to really work, they'd have to be "all in" to whatever new market the team is based in.. and any revived Bears team would have so many away games in Sydney that taking home games there actually plays into the hands of their opponents.

My biggest concern is the kind of deadlock or boardroom struggle that could happen between Perth and Norths factions - especially under a "everything to be 50/50" setup. It's been the Achilles Heel of joint ventures before, and I have worries that it could hold a Perth Bears (or *where-ever* Bears) club back from It's potential.

Do you have any thoughts on that possibility, and how the pitfalls of other joint ventures could be avoided?
The only examples we have in this country is swans and lions, and both of those changed to new local ownership and administration of the clubs lock stock and barrel to the new city. The idea that a joint ownership club could move to a city 4000kms away and still somehow function efficiently seems challenging.

the ideal model, as far as I can see, would be the bears brand to be taken on by the perth consortium. theres protections put in place to protect brand, to maintain a player development relationship with nslc and guarantee the nslc chairman is on the perth bears board.
I don’t believe there needs to be a home game taken to Sydney unless it makes good commercial sense (if doing so can earn the club a million bucks for example then sure).

with the support of nrl (scheduling) and other nrl clubs (ticketing) you could sell a 6 away game Sydney membership making most of the new venues:
manly away (nrl should fund this to be taken to allianz)
Souths, roosters (allianz)
eels, tigers, bulldogs (commbank)

12 games in perth
 
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Sure cobs. Bold assertions based on ignorance? Standard behaviour from a loser who follows a dead club.
Yep giving a leg up to a brand new market with 5 million potential supporters is a really bad idea. Propping up a dead club with a proven record of failure in an over saturated market is much smarter. Seriously mate move on.
And how many times has your clubs head been on the chopping block ?, if you hadn’t joined Super League the Sharks would be gone, if only the Bears had done the same.
You say the Bears had a history of failure?, why because we never won a heap of Grand Finals ?.
From 1990 to 1999 when the Bears and the Sharks were in the same competition the Bears finished higher on the competition ladder than the Sharks 6 times to 3, 1997 doesn’t count as there were two separate competitions.
In 1997 the Sharks made the Super League GF and lost to the Broncos, the Bears made the Elimination Final losing to Newcastle who went on to beat Manly in the ARL Grand Final.
If you add the Bears and Sharks records from 1980 to 1989 the Sharks jump in front of the Bears 10 to 9.
I could’ve added 1970 to 1979 but the Sharks only entered the NSWRL in 1967 so it wouldn’t really be fair to compare the stats during that period.
So just be thankful that your club is still alive and well despite many fans wishing for their demise and relocation to WA, we will gladly take WA from you.
 

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And how many times has your clubs head been on the chopping block ?, if you hadn’t joined Super League the Sharks would be gone, if only the Bears had done the same.
You say the Bears had a history of failure?, why because we never won a heap of Grand Finals ?.
From 1990 to 1999 when the Bears and the Sharks were in the same competition the Bears finished higher on the competition ladder than the Sharks 6 times to 3, 1997 doesn’t count as there were two separate competitions.
In 1997 the Sharks made the Super League GF and lost to the Broncos, the Bears made the Elimination Final losing to Newcastle who went on to beat Manly in the ARL Grand Final.
If you add the Bears and Sharks records from 1980 to 1989 the Sharks jump in front of the Bears 10 to 9.
I could’ve added 1970 to 1979 but the Sharks only entered the NSWRL in 1967 so it wouldn’t really be fair to compare the stats during that period.
So just be thankful that your club is still alive and well despite many fans wishing for their demise and relocation to WA, we will gladly take WA from you.
Great post about your deluded views about the Sharks. We exist in the NRL. You don’t. We have 400 junior teams. You have 120. We have a huge future. You don’t. We have a home. You are basically selling yourselves to an uninterested market. We are thriving. You are desperate. Go you. Any more thoughts on Vic NRL and WA NRL? Because I will towel you there as well. I deal in facts brother. Not bullshit.
 

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The only examples we have in this country is swans and lions, and both of those changed to new local ownership and administration of the clubs lock stock and barrel to the new city. The idea that a joint ownership club could move to a city 4000kms away and still somehow function efficiently seems challenging.

the ideal model, as far as I can see, would be the bears brand to be taken on by the perth consortium. theres protections put in place to protect brand, to maintain a player development relationship with nslc and guarantee the nslc chairman is on the perth bears board.
I don’t believe there needs to be a home game taken to Sydney unless it makes good commercial sense (if doing so can earn the club a million bucks for example then sure).

with the support of nrl (scheduling) and other nrl clubs (ticketing) you could sell a 6 away game Sydney membership making most of the new venues:
manly away (nrl should fund this to be taken to allianz)
Souths, roosters (allianz)
eels, tigers, bulldogs (commbank)

12 games in perth
Even if the Perth consortium has the majority in the boardroom, I got interviewed by the Daily Telegraph when this Pasifika rubbish came out.
 

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If push came to shove would you be accepting of a perth consortium owning the club, and in essence the brand transferring to WA, as long as protections were put in place?
 

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Great post about your deluded views about the Sharks. We exist in the NRL. You don’t. We have 400 junior teams. You have 120. We have a huge future. You don’t. We have a home. You are basically selling yourselves to an uninterested market. We are thriving. You are desperate. Go you. Any more thoughts on Vic NRL and WA NRL? Because I will towel you there as well. I deal in facts brother. Not bullshit.
I was just replying to you saying that the Bears were a failure of a club, if we had been successful in our move to the Central Coast things would have been way different and trust me Nicho would have been in the red and black.
We have been out of the competition since 1999, I would hope you guys would have moved onwards and upwards during that time period.
Pick the five NRL players in this Sydney North team, the players are 12 years old.
 

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I was just replying to you saying that the Bears were a failure of a club, if we had been successful in our move to the Central Coast things would have been way different and trust me Nicho would have been in the red and black.
We have been out of the competition since 1999, I would hope you guys would have moved onwards and upwards during that time period.
Pick the five NRL players in this Sydney North team, the players are 12 years old.
Not interested mate. Now justify your comment about WA and Victoria. This will be fun.
 

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Another advantage would be in the practicality of development pathways. With
1st grade
reserve grade
jersey flegg u21’s
sg ball u19’s
hm cup U16’s

it becomes very expensive to be flying 5 sides around the country.

maybe the 1st grade and reserve grade would be based in perth
other three based in nsw with a mix of Sydney and WA jnrs in flegg and sg ball sides based out of ns.
an all Sydney based hm ball side with a WA 3 elite regional development system at u16 like we have now backed by serious investment in nrlwa?
 
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