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The rest of us stick around for the skill.
There's a reason why no one gives a shit about touch footy...
The rest of us stick around for the skill.
There's a reason why no one gives a shit about touch footy...
Haha TRUE fans like it for the skillz, fmd...
It was a strawman argument and you know it. The situations aren't remotely comparable.
Let's not forget Kyle Turner suffered 6 concussions in 12 months and was never stood down once
very well put mate..I think this is important. Kyle Turner comes back from injury and gets concussed and the GDT were happy that it was "only a concussion."
It's hard to believe than in 2015 there are still people who don't realise how serious concussion damage is, and especially with Kyle Turner.
WWE, UFC and NFL are experiencing massive problems with it. Chris Benoit killed his family because of dementia induced by post concussion syndrome. Daniel Bryan is likely to have to retire because of it. Randy Orton is on his last shot with it. TJ Grant the UFC fighter was booked in a title fight but had to pull out and hasn't been seen since because of concussion in training.
Just recently Liam Fulton had to retire because of the effects of frequent concussions.
Can we please stop downplaying concussion? Please? Enough is enough.
I think this is important. Kyle Turner comes back from injury and gets concussed and the GDT were happy that it was "only a concussion."
It's hard to believe than in 2015 there are still people who don't realise how serious concussion damage is, and especially with Kyle Turner.
WWE, UFC and NFL are experiencing massive problems with it. Chris Benoit killed his family because of dementia induced by post concussion syndrome. Daniel Bryan is likely to have to retire because of it. Randy Orton is on his last shot with it. TJ Grant the UFC fighter was booked in a title fight but had to pull out and hasn't been seen since because of concussion in training.
Just recently Liam Fulton had to retire because of the effects of frequent concussions.
Can we please stop downplaying concussion? Please? Enough is enough.
i think we may have to start a mandatory standing down period for concussions. no idea what the time frame would be, but it'd have to be at least a week. kyle turner should not have been named and i hope they dont play him, but given how soufs have sent back on badly concussed players previously i'm not holding my breath
i think we may have to start a mandatory standing down period for concussions. no idea what the time frame would be, but it'd have to be at least a week. kyle turner should not have been named and i hope they dont play him, but given how soufs have sent back on badly concussed players previously i'm not holding my breath
i think we may have to start a mandatory standing down period for concussions. no idea what the time frame would be, but it'd have to be at least a week.
NRL clubs are in denial on concussion
February 20, 2016 12:00am
Paul Kent The Daily Telegraph
THERE comes a moment in the movie Concussion, out this week, where Dr Bennet Omalu is talking to Dr Joe Maroon, a neurological consultant to the Pittsburgh Steelers.
It was a conversation that really took place.
Dr Omalu is played by Will Smith and is saying how concussions in the NFL are leading to early dementia and alzheimers.
Dr Maroon is shocked. Not just at the prognosis but the implications.
If 10 per cent of mothers in this country would begin to perceive football as a dangerous sport, he says, that is the end of football.
And there it is.
Driven by that fear, it underwrote the NFLs response to every sentence of medical evidence that documented chronic traumatic encephalopathy, or CTE as it has become known, and which leads to early dementia.
Concussion opened in Australia this week and it is a must for sports fans, and particularly those who railed long and hard last year that the NRL was going soft with its new concussion rules.
The NFLs cover-up was likened to the tobacco industrys denial and orchestrated campaign to muddy the evidence that smoking caused lung cancer.
In the end the lawsuit from former players cost the NFL a billion dollars.
Part of the NFLs problem was mental corruption.
Players were convinced that by standing down after a concussion they were soft. Or they were letting their teammates down. Or the coach would not want to play them. Or if you cant see an injury it must not be there.
It is no different in the NRL.
Last year Canterbury captain James Graham declared it was his brain and he should be allowed to return to the field after he got knocked out if he wanted.
James Graham said he should be allowed to return to the field after he got knocked out if he wanted.
Graham then showed as much, going down cold and getting up wobbly several times, each time showing his disgust when the trainer forced him off.
Graham is the games greatest warrior. He is something to be admired.
Id like to put an arm around him, though, and ask if he will feel the same way at 50 as he does at 30, if his family come to visit and he has to ask who they are.
Towards the end Mike Webster, the Pittsburgh player who was first discovered to be suffering CTE, used to hit himself with a stun gun because it would knock him unconscious and quieten his brain enough for some restful sleep.
But it got much uglier for Webster.
Dave Duerson is in the movie, too. Duerson was a tough player who actually dismisses the early evidence and confronts former teammates and opponents when they put in their claims.
Duerson later shot himself, in the chest because he wanted them to find the CTE in his brain.
Here in Australia, the NRL reacted strongly to the medical evidence, and the lawsuit against the NFL, and implemented concussion protocols that angered many fans but were completely necessary.
The NRL should be applauded for understanding the medical science and safeguarding players.
But there is still a problem.
Clubs are in denial.
It has now got to the stage where clubs are coaching players in quiet corners about ways to beat concussion symptoms after a head knock.
They will deny it, of course. They already are.
Last year we saw players rise and stumble and claim it was because they jarred their neck. Nothing to do with the brain at all. Or they said their knee gave out under them. No sir, they werent stunned and dizzy.
And so they stayed on, sticking to the toughness code. Heres what clubs are not acknowledging, though.
While the NRL has protected itself from future litigation by introducing its concussion rules to protect the players, who accept some inherent risk merely by taking the field, clubs are exposing themselves by allowing this secret practice of beating the symptoms.
It will send a club broke one day. It will certainly bankrupt a coach when a player sues him personally for damages.
And for what? To win a football game.
Mario Fenech comments and new movie Concussion put spotlight on sports injuries
Head injuries sustained in sporting contests are in the spotlight.
The issue roared back into the news when the fondly regarded former rugby league champion, Mario Fenech, once captain of the South Sydney Rabbitohs, put the issue of brain damage front and centre when he admitted he had suffered significant head knocks during his 15-season career.
"I would've been knocked out eight or nine times a season. I knew that I was going to pay a price one day," Fenech, 54, told Fairfax Media this week.
His admission came as the AFL has introduced new rules this coming season requiring umpires to more strictly police tackles "with a lifting, slinging or rotating technique" after several controversial incidents in 2015.
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And on February 18, the latest Will Smith film, Concussion, opens in Australia and will examine how loathe football administrations were to act on gridiron players' brain injuries.
Smith portrays a Nigerian forensic pathologist who fought against efforts by the US National Football League to suppress his research on chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) brain damage suffered by professional football players.
Two years ago, Fenech went public about being brain damaged and says his life has improved dramatically since being prescribed Aricept, a drug commonly used to treat dementia.
"You look at how hard-headed I was," Fenech said. "I remember getting knocked out that many times and I would never leave the field. You know why? Because I was a lunatic. And I was the captain, I wasn't going anywhere and I was not leaving the field. I would stay on with concussion. Now, I wouldn't have a choice."
Newcastle Knights winger James McManus will sit out the 2016 season after he was concussed last July and sat out the rest of the year after failing to pass the NRL's stringent protocols on players recovering from head knocks.
McManus said on Tuesday he needed further time out and his playing future was unclear.
However, according to former Newcastle Knights champion and Sydney Triple M breakfast radio host Matty Johns, many former rugby league players were in a bad way.
"Many of them have got difficulties holding a job or a long term relationship, there's alcohol abuse and depression. And it's not just a few, there's quite a few," Johns said.
"For people of my father's generation, it's much more extreme. It's that loss of muscle mass, a genuine blankness in their eyes, that real fragility in their handshake ... a lot have brain damage issues, I have no doubt this is related to head traumas during their careers."
Concussion is a relatively common injury in many sporting and recreational activities.
Sports Medicine Australia believes Australian football, rugby league and rugby union have among the highest rates of concussion of any team sports in the world.
Reported incidents range from three to 10 concussive injuries per 1000 player hours, or about five concussion injuries per team per season, regardless of the level of competition.
While football codes have started taking heat over brain injuries, for many years boxing seemed to be the sole sport considered a health hazard.
Little wonder perhaps. After all, a knockout or brain damage is the objective in professional boxing whereas scoring points is the main objective in amateur boxing.
Last September. Davey Browne jnr, 28, was knocked out 30 seconds from the final round of his 12-round, IBF super-featherweight regional title fight against Carlo Magali of the Philippines at the Ingleburn RSL Club in western Sydney Browne initially regained consciousness but then collapsed and was rushed to Liverpool Hospital where he died.
"It's 30-odd years since we've had a fatality or a serious injury," Australian Boxing Federation president John McDougall said.
The Australian Medical Association called for combat sports like boxing and mixed martial arts to be banned at the Olympic and Commonwealth Games, over concerns the sports are causing "irreversible injury" as fighters try their hardest to win by hurting one another.
Once the most gentlemanly of sports, cricket has seen the bouncer grow into an integral part of the game's armoury and the entertainment.
But Phillip Hughes' death 15 months ago, from a blow to the head from a bouncer in a Sheffield Shield match, was a rude shock to that marriage of weapons and amusement. Hughes' death evolved into a moment of national grief. Helmet manufacturers altered designs, but only a minority of cricketers use the added guards below the back rim of the headwear and the people who run the business of cricket quickly put it all behind and resumed the game.
But Australia's most dangerous sport must surely be horse racing.
According to the National Jockeys Trust, the occupation of a jockey is the second most dangerous in the world.
Only working on North Sea fishing boats is considered more perilous.
Little wonder then that there is a requirement for an ambulance to follow the field in every race.
A jockey weighing 50 to 60 kilograms riding a 550-kilogram thoroughbred at 60km/h does not allow much margin for error.
Since 1850 when the industry started keeping records, 878 riders have lost their lives in Australia, according to the Trust.
The statistics are grim for jockeys.
There are 500 falls around Australia each year, 89 per cent of jockeys who are thrown will need medical assistance, 9 per cent of them have fallen more than 20 times, each year 40 per cent of jockeys will have a fall that will prevent them from riding for five weeks and 5 per cent of those falls involve career-ending injuries.
In recent years, the Trust has spent close to $2.7 million helping 260 jockeys, apprentice jockeys and their families faced with serious injury, illness and even death.
Four women riders, Queenslanders Desiree Gill and Carly-Mae Pye, South Australian Caitlin Forrest and German Friederike Ruhle, died after accidents on Australian tracks between November 2013 and last July.
Australian Jockeys' Association chief executive Paul Innes said each year four or five jockeys suffer a permanent disabling injury.
"Tragically over the next decade we can expect 12 to 15 jockeys to die on the job in Australia," he said. "Fifty jockeys will suffer career-ending injuries including paraplegia, quadriplegia and severe brain injury."
In December Racing Australia announced a new standard helmet would be mandatory for jockeys but many have complained it is unsuitable or uncomfortable.
Negotiations are continuing to ensure the helmet is adopted nationally.
Football codes in Australia got really busy addressing the issue of concussion after a US federal judge approved settlement of a class-action lawsuit between the National Football League and thousands of former players in April last year. The cost was up to $US5 million per retired player for serious medical conditions associated with repeated head trauma.
The new Will Smith film traces how gridiron is coming to grips with the issue.
He plays forensic pathologist Bennet Omalu who carried out autopsy on a Pittsburgh Steelers star player, Mike Webster, who was found dead in his pickup in 2002 and found evidence of brain damage. He also found CTE symptoms in other dead retired footballers but the NFL repressed his research until it boiled over into the public arena amid player suicides.
The film is not about concussion.
Certainly CTE is connected to concussion. Scientists are not sure how. But one thing is sure: it would have been nearly impossible to promote a film called Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy, starring Will Smith.
It's hard to believe than in 2015 there are still people who don't realise how serious concussion damage is, and especially with Kyle Turner.
WWE, UFC and NFL are experiencing massive problems with it. Chris Benoit killed his family because of dementia induced by post concussion syndrome. Daniel Bryan is likely to have to retire because of it. Randy Orton is on his last shot with it. TJ Grant the UFC fighter was booked in a title fight but had to pull out and hasn't been seen since because of concussion in training.
I was reading about that pro wrestler who recently retired because of concussions daniel bryan. Now he had suffered a lot of concussion like ten of them. What i found interesting in the article (i will post it) was that his brain issues were picked up by a scan rather than the standard method of concussion testing. So i did some googling and apparently relatively intelligent people can fool a lot of the standard tests for concussion.
This pro wrestler had been cleared by doctors a number of times because he was intelligent and the brain can sort of make do even with damage. Although there are potential behavioural issues down the track.
Now, what i find interesting about this. If we get better at identifying the damage done by concussions what will be the implication for contact sports ? Will they even exist in 30 years time. Plenty of pro wrestlers turned their brains to mush in the past but now you have one retiring in his early 30s. Same with whats happening in the nfl.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/what-th...t/news-story/be1766f1da9471cd92c6ef271a08b4c0