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Souths Duty of Care

Pete Cash

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I think at a minimum there will be more early retirements due to concussions. I remember during the 90s people used to be like lol its only a concussion. A lot has changed in just 20 years.
 

Danish

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I think at a minimum there will be more early retirements due to concussions. I remember during the 90s people used to be like lol its only a concussion. A lot has changed in just 20 years.


There will definitely be a reduced average career for players as they retire earlier from any head knocks, I agree with that. I just don't see it becoming a case of contact sport having to close up its doors when there are so many people willing to risk their health for a shot.


The treatment of concussion now is certainly a lot better than even 10 years ago, let alone the 90s. A knocked out player getting up and playing the ball the wrong way would have been spliced together with some Benny Hill music and replayed during the coverage for a laugh back in the 90s
 

muzby

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I think at a minimum there will be more early retirements due to concussions. I remember during the 90s people used to be like lol its only a concussion. A lot has changed in just 20 years.

The treatment of concussion now is certainly a lot better than even 10 years ago, let alone the 90s. A knocked out player getting up and playing the ball the wrong way would have been spliced together with some Benny Hill music and replayed during the coverage for a laugh back in the 90s

completely agree... there was always an element of humour about someone ending up in 'disneyland' from the fans.. the commentators..

but unfortunately a head injury is a lot more serious now than we previously thought..
 

Galeforce

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YEs the concern and is issue is real.

However , what is the answer .......if we follow the concern along the "duty of care" route , then there will be NO contact sport sometime in the future. This includes all NRL , RU , boxing , wrestling , and following that route , NO heading of the soccer ball and then NO soccer because of player collision , no basketball , netball and even touch football because of sudden stopping ( affects on head) and accidental body contact.

We all end up effectively brain dead when we die and sooner the older we live.
Players of all sports should be allowed to be WARRIORS and knowing the risks , sign appropriate documentation and the governing sports should ensure funds are put aside to assist players when later issue arise including the provision Care homes for players when they can no longer take care of themselves.

For some , the Warrior appeal out way the later risks of older age. Know the risk , educate on the risk , outlaw key player actions that increase the risk ( e.g. all head contact) and allow the players to decide and then provide for later years.

If no players want to play .......so be it , the games are dead.Do not allow Nanny to decide.
 

Timmah

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:lol:

It's all black and white and we live in an absolute world - suddenly because we're taking precautions we'll become a sanitised no-contact society?

Nanny state? please.
 

Danish

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This seemed like a good thread for this article:

Penrith Panthers' Dallin Watene-Zelezniak could have had heart attack on field
March 1, 2016 - 8:00PM
Michael Chammas


On the eve of his return to the NRL, the 20-year-old has opened up about his obstacles overcoming a collapsed lung last year and how a decision to visit his specialist may have saved his life.

A month after he was taken to hospital following a heavy collision against the Roosters last year, Watene-Zelezniak was given the green light to make his return against South Sydney three weeks later.

However the New Zealander could sense something was wrong, and the decision to follow his gut instinct may have prevented a tragic outcome on that Sunday afternoon at ANZ Stadium in August.

"I just got this feeling that it didn't feel right, so I went and got a check up X-ray because I was meant to play on the Sunday against the Rabbitohs," Watene-Zelezniak told Fairfax Media.

"I said I just wanted to make sure if I was alright to play. So I went and got the check up and that's when they rushed me back to hospital.

"It's scary because I was going to play that weekend. I was running, but I wasn't running like my normal self. Lucky I got it checked because the specialist said I could have had a heart attack if I played."

Things were so dire for Watene-Zelezniak, who at the time had just proposed to his now wife, his heart and oesophagus had shifted from their normal positions.

He was rushed to hospital and underwent surgery to drain his chest and reinflate his lungs, but the effects of the surgery could live with the speedster for the rest of his life.

"The side of my body is all numb still," he said.

"I can't feel it. The only thing is sore is when someone's knuckles run across my ribs. I'm still building up muscle there. Morgs [Panthers physio Kieran Morgan] said it might come back in six months, it could be years or it might never come back. You can tell this whole side is just sloppy. It's slowly coming back, but before it was just sagging. It was yuck. The numbness used to be everywhere but it's slowly getting smaller and smaller.

"After the surgery I couldn't train for three months. I could barely walk without getting puffed. When the drains were in, I couldn't move in hospital. Every movement I was in agony. Day one of pre-season was my first training session. About a week beforehand I could jog, because the specialist said don't go from nothing to smashing yourself. I slowly just started jogging and then when pre-season started I was ready to go."

Watene-Zelezniak still carries the scars on his side and back as a reminder of the torture he went through to get back to playing the game he loves, but he says the true motivation came sitting in hospital bed reading reports that his career was over.

"I just wanted to play because everyone was saying 'it's the end of his career'," Watene-Zelezniak said.

"That's what motivated me, people saying it was the end of my career and I wanted to prove them wrong. The doctor said 'don't listen to anyone. I'm the specialist who has looked at your X-ray and did your procedure and you're perfectly normal now'. He said 'you have a long career ahead of you'.

"In the Nines, I was covering it up a bit and running with one side. You could tell when I was running I was blocking it all the time. Even when I walked, I walked differently because it would hurt to drop my arm. But I'm gaining more confidence now and ready to go."
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ad-heart-attack-on-field-20160301-gn7de3.html


Seriously what the f**k kind of checks did the Penrith medical staff give him in order to "clear" him to play? Kid had a collapsed lung and had to have emergency surgery, which was only picked up because he himself felt he needed to seek a second opinion compared to what the quacks at his club were telling him.

Hopefully someone lost their job over this one.
 

ACTPanthers

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How would clubs detect something like that without the player telling them though? It's not like they have x-ray machines there to detect that kind of injury - Don't get me wrong, the Panthers med staff seem to be pretty inept when it comes to injuries and rushing players back, but I don't think this one was as clear cut and obvious as you make it out to be.
 

betcats

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How would clubs detect something like that without the player telling them though? It's not like they have x-ray machines there to detect that kind of injury - Don't get me wrong, the Panthers med staff seem to be pretty inept when it comes to injuries and rushing players back, but I don't think this one was as clear cut and obvious as you make it out to be.

He was out for three weeks with a collapsed lung, they should of been certain before clearing him to play again. If a players knee is feeling suspect what do the medical staff do without x ray machines around? Send the player off site to get an x ray.

Our medical staff seem to think playing through it is the best way to recover. Perfect example is Moylan, he gets injured in the dogs trial and for some f**king reason we decide to risk our best player and captain in a meaningless trial a week later despite carrying a back injury. f**king muppets they are.
 

betcats

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This seemed like a good thread for this article:


http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ad-heart-attack-on-field-20160301-gn7de3.html


Seriously what the f**k kind of checks did the Penrith medical staff give him in order to "clear" him to play? Kid had a collapsed lung and had to have emergency surgery, which was only picked up because he himself felt he needed to seek a second opinion compared to what the quacks at his club were telling him.

Hopefully someone lost their job over this one.

Our med staff could of amputated his head and still not get fired.
 

Danish

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How would clubs detect something like that without the player telling them though? It's not like they have x-ray machines there to detect that kind of injury - Don't get me wrong, the Panthers med staff seem to be pretty inept when it comes to injuries and rushing players back, but I don't think this one was as clear cut and obvious as you make it out to be.


If a bloke hurts his ribs to the point of missing games because of a huge collision, I would have expected them to get him an x ray from the outset, and follow up scans to check on his recovery progress before clearing him to play.

Seems only logical to me.

I'm sure what the panthers did here is common practice at plenty of NRL clubs (does it hurt when I poke it? Not too much? Should be right...), but this case proves how dangerous and unacceptable such a practice is.

A simple ultrasound or other scan would have shown what was wrong with this kid, and obviously he felt worried enough about it to seek his own medical attention so I'm guessing he raised some concern with the club staff as well.

This type of thing to me is far more concerning than the concussion debate, as it literally could have killed him.
 

muzby

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This type of thing to me is far more concerning than the concussion debate, as it literally could have killed him.

probably put the two in the same basket, IMHO..

both involve a duty of care to the player.. both involve risk of death...

it's just that in DWE's case, the risk of death was clear, evident & immediate..

blokes who are sent back out to play after suffering a head knock are still at risk of death.. evidence is there in the boxing ring...
 

ACTPanthers

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If a bloke hurts his ribs to the point of missing games because of a huge collision, I would have expected them to get him an x ray from the outset, and follow up scans to check on his recovery progress before clearing him to play.

Seems only logical to me.

I'm sure what the panthers did here is common practice at plenty of NRL clubs (does it hurt when I poke it? Not too much? Should be right...), but this case proves how dangerous and unacceptable such a practice is.

A simple ultrasound or other scan would have shown what was wrong with this kid, and obviously he felt worried enough about it to seek his own medical attention so I'm guessing he raised some concern with the club staff as well.

This type of thing to me is far more concerning than the concussion debate, as it literally could have killed him.

Agree 100% - This would've save him a lot of worry - As per that article, the kid is still not very confident with it, getting it sorted from the outset would've mitigated some of that I'd say.
 

ACTPanthers

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He was out for three weeks with a collapsed lung, they should of been certain before clearing him to play again. If a players knee is feeling suspect what do the medical staff do without x ray machines around? Send the player off site to get an x ray.

Our medical staff seem to think playing through it is the best way to recover. Perfect example is Moylan, he gets injured in the dogs trial and for some f**king reason we decide to risk our best player and captain in a meaningless trial a week later despite carrying a back injury. f**king muppets they are.

Totally agree mate - There should've been follow up scans scheduled by the club staff - I can only assume DWZ initially said he was right, then felt the symptoms and became worried - I'm not saying the med staff are in the right, more that I can see how it happened.
 

betcats

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Totally agree mate - There should've been follow up scans scheduled by the club staff - I can only assume DWZ initially said he was right, then felt the symptoms and became worried - I'm not saying the med staff are in the right, more that I can see how it happened.

Yeah I see what you are saying, its just worrying he was cleared in that situation. When you look at some of the other injured players we had last year I don't think he was the only one who was cleared to start training too early.
 

Tommy Smith

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Can someone confirm that he suffered ANOTHER concussion last week? That's what I've read.

With this in mind, at what point do the Rabbitohs finally put player welfare first and say 'enough is enough'? And at what point do the NRL step in and overrule the Rabbitohs and say that at the very least Turner needs to sit out an entire season. Not just a week, but either an extended break or a forced retirement.

This young man's life is on the line. He must have had what, a dozen concussions? He's well and truly on his way to becoming a vegetable if the Rabbitohs (and the NRL) don't start taking concussion more seriously.
 

Cloudsurfer

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Totally agree.
I know everything about RU is anathema to most RL fans but in NZ the rules around concussion are really stringent due to secondary concussion having fatal consequences because deaths have occurred on the field (including junior players) due to it.
Not totally sure but I believe it's a 6-week compulsory stand down for a second occurence and you certainly don't get to play on in the same game after a 'test' to ascertain whether you are fit to play on. Doesn't mean they don't miss some but at least their rules are about protecting the player.
Unbelievable the attitude towards it in RL....
 

BranVan3000

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The club doesn't have the power to force him to stop playing, bar cutting him. It's in the NRL's hands to decide what rule is enforced on repeat concussions
 
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