Spending Money on Everything except the most Important Thing

[dragonreddy]

Really ?

Sometimes we have to look behind the headlines.
This is one good forward.

depends what you are after... headlines or stability.
Stockwell aint going anywhere.
He and JDB are the future.

100% agree they are both only young blokes as they fill out more and become a bit wiser how they play they both will be top notch. Stockwell certainly looks the goods for the future he has a big frame and a good motor so the clubs has to perservere ,they will have good and bad games but to develop them the y both need to be in the side each week.

 

[GT0007]

100% agree they are both only young blokes as they fill out more and become a bit wiser how they play they both will be top notch. Stockwell certainly looks the goods for the future he has a big frame and a good motor so the clubs has to perservere ,they will have good and bad games but to develop them the y both need to be in the side each week.

JDB looks like he's put on a few kilo and I think he's playing quite well, He's not intimidated at all by anyone and I'm sure now other teams dont want to run at him. Surely there are dietary suppliments that can help Stockwell put on some weight? Kebabs, Burgers, Pizza?

 

[BrissyRedV]

I think Stockwell needs to just run hard and find the ground for quick play the balls like he did last year.
I think he looks like he is over thinking things.
Debellin is going ok but needs to start being more consistent.
These guys are the future but they need someone to show them the way.
They are only young FFS.

We are not having a go at them or their talent. We are just commenting on our personal high expectations of them. As I said, I was hoping that with another preseason under his belt he would come out bigger, faster and stronger. This has not been the case so far and he has been getting dominated so far. I have no doubt he will go on to bigger and better things, but as with everything, we want it all and we want it now!!

 

[Mr Red]

I was expecting a bit more from Stockwell personally. He had a pretty good season last year for a young fella, and I thought another preseason he may have put a bit more muscle on which would make it easier for him. Sadly, not the case.

Groat I thought as well may have been a good pick up. He has the size, but he does not use it and the potential energy he could use if he actually ran hard.

And the other big fella we brought Aioli, he looks ok, but he is no Sam Moa.

If we had a better coach I guarantee Stockwell would have developed far quicker than he currently is.
Our current coaching staff are poison for the juniors, they will never reach their full potential

 

[BrissyRedV]

If we had a better coach I guarantee Stockwell would have developed far quicker than he currently is.
Our current coaching staff are poison for the juniors, they will never reach their full potential

The coach is not the one who would control his physical training to put on the size he requires which if you read the majority of comments is believed to be his downfall currently. His performance and heart are not in question, more so his physical attributes that come in time and which cause him to be dominated in the ruck. Just another case of blatantly blaming the coach for no other reason then that is the current fashion.

 

[Mr Red]

The coach is not the one who would control his physical training to put on the size he requires which if you read the majority of comments is believed to be his downfall currently. His performance and heart are not in question, more so his physical attributes that come in time and which cause him to be dominated in the ruck. Just another case of blatantly blaming the coach for no other reason then that is the current fashion.

You are so way off the mark it's laughable...
The majority of people who have a clue aren't blaming forward size, they are blaming a lack of intensity and aggression the forwards play with as the problem.

And if it was a size issue, once again the coach IS responsible for ensuring the conditioning Staff prepare the team physically to the coaches requirements.
At the end of the day the buck stops with the head coach, he is responsible for ensuring ALL of his assistant coaches are preparing the team according to his overall strategy and vision for the team.

Brissy please come back when you have a clue....

 

[DUB888]

You are so way off the mark it's laughable...
The majority of people who have a clue aren't blaming forward size, they are blaming a lack of intensity and aggression the forwards play with as the problem.

And if it was a size issue, once again the coach IS responsible for ensuring the conditioning Staff prepare the team physically to the coaches requirements.
At the end of the day the buck stops with he head coach, he is responsible for ensuring ALL of his assistant coaches are preparing the team according to his overall strategy and vision for the team.

Brissy please come back when you have a clue....

Totally Agree , I have put this question out to the Forum before and no had an answer.

Q : Where would Steve Price and his coaching staff get a first grade NRL position outside of the Dragons.

A : ?

 

[getsmarty]

Totally Agree , I have put this question out to the Forum before and no had an answer.

Q : Where would Steve Price and his coaching staff get a first grade NRL position outside of the Dragons.

A : ?

Coogee crocodiles....nah..they wouldn't take him either. :crazy: :crazy:

 

[BrissyRedV]

You are so way off the mark it's laughable...
The majority of people who have a clue aren't blaming forward size, they are blaming a lack of intensity and aggression the forwards play with as the problem.

And if it was a size issue, once again the coach IS responsible for ensuring the conditioning Staff prepare the team physically to the coaches requirements.
At the end of the day the buck stops with the head coach, he is responsible for ensuring ALL of his assistant coaches are preparing the team according to his overall strategy and vision for the team.

Brissy please come back when you have a clue....

Mate, really? you are so far off the mark it is geniused!

Stockwell is literally a stick figure and compared to the majority of props out there he looks more like a basketballer. Stockwells effort and intensity is not that far removed from last season however when he comes against bigger players, ie: every 2nd forward in the competition he is dominated in the ruck. Obviously the more he matures the more size he will put on but that is not the head coaches decision or problem. The performance director employed by the board and the CEO is person responsible for all the physical preparation of the players. You can blame Price all you like for on field structures and games but you are truly stupid to lay the blame at the head coaches feet for that one.

Look on any thread that either mentions props or the ruck and the majority of opinion mentions our lack of size in the middle of the park.

 

[Mr Red]

Mate, really? you are so far off the mark it is geniused!

Stockwell is literally a stick figure and compared to the majority of props out there he looks more like a basketballer. Stockwells effort and intensity is not that far removed from last season however when he comes against bigger players, ie: every 2nd forward in the competition he is dominated in the ruck. Obviously the more he matures the more size he will put on but that is not the head coaches decision or problem. The performance director employed by the board and the CEO is person responsible for all the physical preparation of the players. You can blame Price all you like for on field structures and games but you are truly stupid to lay the blame at the head coaches feet for that one.

Look on any thread that either mentions props or the ruck and the majority of opinion mentions our lack of size in the middle of the park.

Yeah a 105kg stick figure ... The same weight as Scott or Moa who people are touting as what we need... Moa and Scott charge at the line , Stockwell ambles up with no intensity making him an easy target..
It's not his size that's the issue, it's his lack of aggression .
And if Price thought that Stockwell was too light he would have directed his coaching staff to bulk him up ... He had an entire off season to address this if he thought it was a problem.

 

[BrissyRedV]

Yeah a 105kg stick figure ... The same weight as Scott or Moa who people are touting as what we need...
It's not his size that's the issue, it's his lack of aggression .
And if Price thought that Stockwell was too light he would have directed his coaching staff to bulk him up ... He had an entire off season to address this if he thought it was a problem.

Using Scott or Moa is again, just stupid. both are 3 foot nothing and built like brick shit houses. Stockwell is over 6 foot and stick thin. On top of that, they both play as a part of some excellent forward rotations. And how exactly do you know that Price did not direct the performance director to do so? Is Price also to start developing dietary plans and fitness regimes as well?

So by your reckoning it seems, your opinion on our forward pack is actually pretty good and should be able to compete with the larger forward packs? Do you think there is no difference in trying to stop a 115kg player to a 105kg player?

 

[DUB888]

Mate, really? you are so far off the mark it is geniused!

Stockwell is literally a stick figure and compared to the majority of props out there he looks more like a basketballer. Stockwells effort and intensity is not that far removed from last season however when he comes against bigger players, ie: every 2nd forward in the competition he is dominated in the ruck. Obviously the more he matures the more size he will put on but that is not the head coaches decision or problem. The performance director employed by the board and the CEO is person responsible for all the physical preparation of the players. You can blame Price all you like for on field structures and games but you are truly stupid to lay the blame at the head coaches feet for that one.

Look on any thread that either mentions props or the ruck and the majority of opinion mentions our lack of size in the middle of the park.

So the Head Coach should be asking the Performance Director and CEO (under your presumptions) why Stockwell is not better physically prepared since he is continually being picked in First Grade. I guess what you are saying is when you are Head Coach your job is to pass the buck for players failures. The Head Coaches job is to prepare/oversee EVERY aspect of the Players/Team Performance , that's why they get sacked when performance is poor.

 

[Mr Red]

Using Scott or Moa is again, just stupid. both are 3 foot nothing and built like brick shit houses. Stockwell is over 6 foot and stick thin. On top of that, they both play with apart of some excellent forward rotations. And how exactly do you know that Price did not direct the performance director to do so? Is Price also to start developing dietary plans and fitness regimes as well?

So by your reckoning it seems, your opinion on our forward pack is actually pretty good and should be able to compete with the larger forward packs? Do you think there is no difference in trying to stop a 115kg player to a 105kg player?

No price doesn't prepare the dietary plans.. He simply says " I need Stockwell 5kg heavier, make it happen" and hands it over to the coaching staff to make it happen . That's the role of the head coach to also ensure his team is physically prepared to his requirements.

Trying to stop a 115kg player is easy if they jog to the line.
Trying to stop a 105kg player is hard if they run with aggression

Steve Matai is 94kg and is harder to stop than Stockwell , because of the aggression he runs with, so your point is invalid

 

[Jubileeboy]

Millward ?

I laughed...a lot !

 

[BrissyRedV]

No price doesn't prepare the dietary plans.. He simply says " I need Stockwell 5kg heavier, make it happen" and hands it over to the coaching staff to make it happen .

Trying to stop a 115kg player is easy if they jog to the line.
Trying to stop a 105kg player is hard if they run with aggression

Steve Matai is 94kg and is harder to stop than Stockwell , because of he aggression he runs with, so your point is invalid

Ah, so it is the coaches fault he is not running harder. And it is the coaches fault if the performance director who was undoubtedly employed by the CEO, fails to adhere to the coaches directive or the players body does not react to a training regime as it is suppose too. Your assumptions on the behind the scenes actions of our club is just plain stupid. Its hard to tell who is more stupid, you or Price?

And nice tap dance around the question on who would be harder to tackle. Matai is not asked however to run at some of these 115kg behemoths and more players his actual size so your point is INVALID.

 

[coast_dragons]

Price ?

You'll laugh till you wet your pants or they fall down

Price shitness x a zillion

 

[BrissyRedV]

Price ?

You'll laugh till you wet your pants or they fall down

Price shitness x a zillion

Pulled down?

 

[R2K]

Well done on the board for pursuing and landing another big name player in Marshall. We all need to be convinced that he still has it; but well done.

We recruited pretty well last year with a host of new and mostly talented players coming on board. We are a prop or two short of a decent squad.

So while we have gone out to spend money in the areas where we have needed them (except for front row) we are running the team with a very low quality coaching staff. Surely the club needs to spend money in the most crucial area in the club today, and that is the coaching staff.

McGregor and Young are terrible but poor old Steve Price is just so out of his depth it is ridiculous, and he is the manager the club has seen fit to lead this new exciting batch of signings. Does that make sense to anyone?

Seeing Price at yesterdays press conference with his ridiculous gelled hair...he looked like someone who had sneaked into the press conference. The poor kid has rehearsed a number of go to lines he brings out in an attempt to hide his incompetency such as "we have great systems and structures at the Dragons" (really Steve, these are not evident on the field); " we are playing Dragons footy" (really Steve, the style of play you have introduced is not the style I have been watching for the last 40 years).

Memo to the Board and CEO....you have put together a promising roster. You need to get the right pilot to drive the car now. Go spend money there!

Price could have made the effort to shave for the press conference. Very sloppy!

 

[DUB888]

Price could have made the effort to shave for the press conference. Very sloppy!

Like his coaching.

 

[Mr Red]

Like his coaching.

Price on the Sunday footy show... " i see Frizell as a FUTURE rep player of the FUTURE" ... One of his best..