*SPOILER* That kick-off...

[cleary89]

I saw it at the game
I sit on about half way in the Peter burns stand
Not for one second did I think it went the 10.
No replay even looked like it did.
Bounced before the line and went over the sideline before the line.
I assumed a sharks played knocked it out when penrith got the scrum feed.

Then it would have been a penalty on the half way line.

 

[gronkathon]

Rothfield is sooking.

As such corect call

In all seriousness it was line ball and could have gone either way and I agree with the decision made

 

[Ronnie Dobbs]

Its great just to see Rothfield sulking.

I hate that merkin.

50/50 call IMO. Fair enough.

Sharks only had to make 6 tackles to win.

 

[skeepe]

Looked alright to me. Floated over the 40 then drifted back before landing. It doesn't have to bounce over the line, it's enough that it crosses over it.

 

[Rodent]

Looked alright to me. Floated over the 40 then drifted back before landing. It doesn't have to bounce over the line, it's enough that it crosses over it.

Finally someone who knows the rules. The commentators didn't even mention it. 100% that the ball was screwing back and landed just before the line, so it must have at some point gone the 10m in the air.

 

[tye]

We dont have a CEO

That may change very soon!!!

 

[Ronnie Dobbs]

It has to land or be touched at some point.

 

[skeepe]

It has to land or be touched at some point.

Sure, but as long as it has travelled over the 40 metre line in the air, it doesn't matter where that is. It could catch a gust of wind and blow back to the half way line and it would still be play on.

 

[Ronnie Dobbs]

Sure, but as long as it has travelled over the 40 metre line in the air, it doesn't matter where that is. It could catch a gust of wind and blow back to the half way line and it would still be play on.

OK. Would a goal be given in the same circumstances? Or a 40/20? Or a penalty kick for touch?

It has to land, I thought. Can anyone cut and paste the rule?

 

[beave]

Skeepe is right.

 

[skeepe]

OK. Would a goal be given in the same circumstances? Or a 40/20? Or a penalty kick for touch?

It has to land, I thought. Can anyone cut and paste the rule?

A goal would be given. A 40/20 or penalty kick from touch would also, however in this case the ball does have to be contacted by something that is itself in touch, such as the ground or a player.

That said, if the ball somehow (and I acknowledge this is an extreme and probably physically impossible example, but bear with me) crossed the touch line over the 20 (between the 20 and 10 metre lines), and was then blown back infield, then crossed the touch line again behind the 20 (so between the 20 and 30 metre lines) all without touching the ground first, a 40/20 would still be given as the point where it first crossed the touch line is where it is considered to have gone out.

As for a kick off, the only stipulations are that it must travel 10 metres in a forward direction, and must not land in touch on the full. Once it has travelled 10 metres in a forward direction, it doesn't matter where it goes.

I'll fish out the relevant rules.

 

[Danish]

I don't get why Rothfield is whinging.

He clearly stated earlier in the year that he doesnt bother watching league when the origin stars are out so with no Gallen or carney he would have been watching the AFL anyway...

 

[skeepe]

Kick off rule:

Section 8. The Kick off and Drop-out

6. A player who kicks off or drops-out shall be penalised if he:–
(a) advances in front of the appropriate line before kicking the ball.
(b) kicks the ball on the full over the touch line, touch in-goal, or over the dead ball line.
(c) kicks the ball so that it fails to travel at least ten metres forward in the field of play.
(d) kicks the ball other than in the prescribed manner.

The goal

Section 6. Scoring

6. A goal is scored if the whole of the ball at any time during its flight passes on the full over the opponents’ cross bar towards the dead ball line after being kicked by a player (and not touching or being touched in flight by any other player) in any of these circumstances:–
(a) by a place kick after a try has been scored and counts two points
(b) by a place kick or a drop kick when a penalty kick has been awarded and counts two points.

Notes: 6. If, after passing completely over the cross-bar the ball is blown back, a goal is still allowed.

And the touch line

Section 9. Touch and Touch In-Goal

1. The ball is in touch when it or a player in contact with it touches the touch line or the ground beyond the touch line or any object on or outside the touch line except when a player, tackled in the field of play, steps into touch as he regains his feet in which case he shall play the ball in the field of play.
The ball is in touch if a player jumps from touch and while off the ground touches the ball. The ball is not in touch if during flight it crosses the touch line but is knocked back by a player who is off the ground after jumping from the field of play.

...

3. When a ball has entered touch or touch in-goal, the point of entry shall be taken as the point at which the ball first crossed the touch or touch in-goal line.

 

[Danish]

What about a 40/20 though?

Someone raised that earlier and I assume that would actually need to cross into touch on the right side of the 20, and wouldn't count if it went passed the 20 line but then got blown back and actually crossed into touch between the 30 and 20

 

[skeepe]

What about a 40/20 though?

Someone raised that earlier and I assume that would actually need to cross into touch on the right side of the 20, and wouldn't count if it went passed the 20 line but then got blown back and actually crossed into touch between the 30 and 20

You're right. That would not be a 40/20, because the wording of the rules states that it must cross the touch line in the 20 metre zone. Merely passing over the plane of the 20 metre line is not enough in this case.

 

[carcharias]

What if a player taps the ball back in feild from a kick for touch?
If over the line in the air is deemed past the point of 10 mtrs then over
the sideline in the air would also seem to be out .

 

[blacklock]

crazy suggestion here..................



can we introduce a post on the 40m line and 20 m line. then place a camera side on to see whether it passes before or after. that way 40 /20s and short kick offs need not be judged by the naked eye (which is hard for anyone to do)

personally i think it didnt go the 10 initially but bounced over the 40 then out of touch. so technically the right call but touch and go given the angle. i was also looking at the shadow of the ball which seemed to indicate as much but could be a distorted take depending on where the light source was.

but yeah...we may aswell bring guide posts in.

 

[skeepe]

What if a player taps the ball back in feild from a kick for touch?
If over the line in the air is deemed past the point of 10 mtrs then over
the sideline in the air would also seem to be out .

You didn't read my post did you?

 

[carcharias]

You didn't read my post did you?

I think you posted while I was typing

 

[skeepe]

It took you 16 minutes to type 3 lines? Fair enough. For clarity, the rule is:

The ball is not in touch if during flight it crosses the touch line but is knocked back by a player who is off the ground after jumping from the field of play.