Stalled and stagnant Sydney clubs

[Quicksilver]

Losing the bears wasn’t the problem, Sydney’s lack of vision, nswrl lack of leadership and the lack of ambition of the surounding clubs was.
No reason one of the many surrounding clubs couldn’t have stepped in and taken the area on to ensure RL kept thriving.
the game doesn’t need a club in every Sydney suburb to be relevant youve literally got roosters, manly and eels regions all within spitting distance of the north Sydney region.

After all these years you still don't get how Sydney Rugby League (or general sporting) rivalry works.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The roosters represent the east of the city. Plus they struggle to get people from the east following them. They have no chance of taking the north

if any club could take that area it would be manly

Has Manly ever tried to develop a fanbase outside of the Northern Beaches?

I thought North Sydney Bears were affiliated with Sydney Roosters?

Any attempt to draw support from the North Shore will take a generation to bear fruit, but it has to start now if we want to see results within 20 years. Swans have been chipping away for 40 years. There's no reason the Roosters can eat into the Swans' fanbase on the North Shore by 2040-50 if they market themselves correctly. The old North Sydney Bears fans will be dead by then.

But everyone hates the Roosters

Older generations from the NSWRL era hate Sydney Roosters. Kids from the North Shore born after 2000 have no reason to hate Sydney Roosters.

 

[siv]

In fact more supporters dislike the rorters since 2000 than ever in their history

 

[Menaiduck]

In fact more supporters dislike the rorters since 2000 than ever in their history

You know this because?

 

[Pippen94]

Has Manly ever tried to develop a fanbase outside of the Northern Beaches?

I thought North Sydney Bears were affiliated with Sydney Roosters?

Any attempt to draw support from the North Shore will take a generation to bear fruit, but it has to start now if we want to see results within 20 years. Swans have been chipping away for 40 years. There's no reason the Roosters can eat into the Swans' fanbase on the North Shore by 2040-50 if they market themselves correctly. The old North Sydney Bears fans will be dead by then.


Older generations from the NSWRL era hate Sydney Roosters. Kids from the North Shore born after 2000 have no reason to hate Sydney Roosters.

Manly tried the gosford thing but fans rejected them.

Kids who have parents that used to follow league but now don't is big reason not to follow themselves.

 

[Pippen94]

You know this because?

Ppl hate roosters because they seen as top end of town. Fact they keep buying best players & winning just solidities this

 

[Iamback]

If they can so it in Gosford then why not on the North Shore?

If the North Shore and Gosford became dyed in the wool Roosters fans then the club would be massive.

North Shore is the only part an Australia that actually are interested in RU. Swans are a close 2nd there.

CC need the help out so solves both issues

 

[Iamback]

Central Coast deserve their own team

Their juniios are strong and a stadium built by the Bears and have a strong relationship with the Northern Sydney region

Roosters are just in a long line from Tigers, Storm, Newcastle who have tried to rebadge the region

Buying Woy Woy LC and then selling it iff after they got their CC vite has left a bitter taste on the coast. And lets forget Wyong dumped them too

They dont need a eastern beach Bondi moniker

CC is lacking corporates.
They lack the resources in a National competition

 

[The Great Dane]

Simple. Central Coast never had team & ppl there mainly from other parts of Sydney. Never lost a team. Old norths fans didn't switch to a hated rival & have been lost from the game

So NS has low interest in RL because it doesn't have a team, yet the CC has high interest because it doesn't have a team... Yeah that's totally logically consistent.

Oh and you're definitely not ignoring the fact that 3 of the 5 regions of Sydney with the lowest interest in RL have NRL sides (multiple in some cases), and that what data we have suggests that NS always had lower than the average interest in RL. Nah, you're not spinning the data to make the point you want at all...

You are so full of shit that it's astounding.

 

[The Great Dane]

Losing the bears wasn’t the problem, Sydney’s lack of vision, nswrl lack of leadership and the lack of ambition of the surounding clubs was.
No reason one of the many surrounding clubs couldn’t have stepped in and taken the area on to ensure RL kept thriving.
the game doesn’t need a club in every Sydney suburb to be relevant youve literally got roosters, manly and eels regions all within spitting distance of the north Sydney region.

To be fair, it makes absolutely no sense not to have a side in NS if you are going to have 9 clubs, more than half your competition, based in Sydney. Which, BTW, is an opinion that Dr Fujak more or less shares, and states as such in his book.

If any planning, or basic rational logic, went into the rationalisation of Sydney after the unification then the strategic value of the major markets of Sydney would have been taken into account, and as a result the Bears probably never would have been in danger of getting the flick. At the very least they should have been replaced with a fulltime presence in NS, but it probably would have been easier to leave them be and get rid of another smaller club whose region could have been more easily covered.

That is a whole other argument though, and I'm ignoring the fact that the Bears were relocating to the CC at the time for simplicity's sake.

 

[The Great Dane]

North Shore is the only part an Australia that actually are interested in RU. Swans are a close 2nd there.

CC need the help out so solves both issues

Canberra and the rich parts of Brisbane were/are stronger RU regions than NS, or at least they were pre-RU's decline over the last 15 years.

RU is in such a state of flux that it's hard to keep tabs on it's popularity at the moment.

 

[siv]

CC is lacking corporates.
They lack the resources in a National competition

By keeping their association with the North Shore - that brings in the corporate $

There are a lot of major international companies based in North Sydney, St Leonards & Chatswood

You balance the fames between Gosford & NSO

FNF at NSO would work very well even 6pm games

No brainer

 

[Iamback]

By keeping their association with the North Shore - that brings in the corporate $

There are a lot of major international companies based in North Sydney, St Leonards & Chatswood

You balance the fames between Gosford & NSO

FNF at NSO would work very well even 6pm games

No brainer

How many of those places are signed up with RU or AFL?

20 years without a side in the NRL is huge and wouldn't work

 

[Perth Red]

Always amuses me that RU and afl can take an area without a club there but nrl can’t hold it with three clubs in spitting distance of the region and media saturation of the sport in the city.
Any kid born after 2000 has no reason to lament the loss of the bears and no reason they aren’t playing RL and supporting one of the other 16 NRL clubs, ideally one of the three in easy travel distance,

 

[Iamback]

Always amuses me that RU and afl can take an area without a club there but nrl can’t hold it with three clubs in spitting distance of the region and media saturation of the sport in the city.
Any kid born after 2000 has no reason to lament the loss of the bears and no reason they aren’t playing RL and supporting one of the other 16 NRL clubs, ideally one of the three in easy travel distance,

The area. North Shore private school's are never going to align with RL

 

[Perth Red]

The area. North Shore private school's are never going to align with RL

So we didn’t lose much by the bears being booted then by the Sound of it? You can’t have it both ways!

 

[Iamback]

So we didn’t lose much by the bears being booted then by the Sound of it? You can’t have it both ways!

It was going to be Central Coast not Sydney. So might of worked but certainly not now. Let the Roosters service that area

 

[siv]

It was going to be Central Coast not Sydney. So might of worked but certainly not now. Let the Roosters service that area

But Politis promised the CC Bears for his readmission support when the Bears aligned their RG

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

North Shore is the only part an Australia that actually are interested in RU. Swans are a close 2nd there.

CC need the help out so solves both issues

If that's the case then why put a team there?

Its population is under 500k. If its people prefer onionball and fumbleball then there aren't going to be too many people left to support a new NRL club when there are nine within driving distance.

Roosters could convince 5k people from North Shore to attend 12 games at SFS each year if they marketed themselves better. That's just 1% of the population. Add 5k to what they get now and they're near the 20k mark. That's a step in the right direction.

 

[Iamback]

If that's the case then why put a team there?

Its population is under 500k. If its people prefer onionball and fumbleball then there aren't going to be too many people left to support a new NRL club when there are nine within driving distance.

Roosters could convince 5k people from North Shore to attend 12 games at SFS each year if they marketed themselves better. That's just 1% of the population. Add 5k to what they get now and they're near the 20k mark. That's a step in the right direction.

There are a few teams that if it was a new comp wouldn't exist. The Bears are one and they like Newtown have a place in NSW Cup only