Stalled and stagnant Sydney clubs

[Wb1234]

It’s a professional sport, it’s not 1976 And it’s not all about Sydney any more. The games administration really needs to move with the times. This is the problem with Sydney LC‘s being responsible for jnr rl, the nrl club then feels some level of entitlement to them.

let the state bodies be responsible for grassroots, sure lc can spend some of their ill gotten gains helping out if they like but nrl clubs don’t get involved until elite pathway programs after 16 With the best of the best.

If they provide decent incentives the leagues club will spend more money on junior rugby league. Rather than the game spending it’s own money new money would come from the various leagues club

Penrith leagues are putting in millions a year into junior league. Every Sydney leagues club would then be incentivised to spend more because the benefits are clear

 

[Perth Red]

If they provide decent incentives the leagues club will spend more money on junior rugby league. Rather than the game spending it’s own money new money would come from the various leagues club

Penrith leagues are putting in millions a year into junior league. Every Sydney leagues club would then be incentivised to spend more because the benefits are clear

where do penrith spend millions? Are they giving big grants to every jnr club? Or covering insurance and kit costs for all jnr teams? Are they do promotional work in schools? genuinely interested ot know where millions of $’s is being g spent on jnrs beyond hm and sg ball, and any other elite program Costs.
had a look at their annual reports and it’s hard to pick out how much they are actually spending, not saying they aren’t, just hard to see where and how much Beyond the nrl development program.

if we were doing a reset I’d bring in the wa afl system where the clubs have to pay a annual license fee to the state body and that funds grassroots development. At moment nswrl get $20mill from nrl. If every club had to pay a $2mill a year license fee nswrl would have double the funding then as a kid it wouldn’t matter where you lived in nsw you’d get better support and encouragement to play RL, at moment it’s a postcode lottery. Outside of nsw what a difference nrlvic could do with three times there current funding because Storm were paying them $2mill a year license fee etc

 

[Menaiduck]

where do penrith spend millions? Are they giving big grants to every jnr club? Or covering insurance and kit costs for all jnr teams? Are they do promotional work in schools? genuinely interested ot know where millions of $’s is being g spent on jnrs beyond hm and sg ball, and any other elite program Costs.
had a look at their annual reports and it’s hard to pick out how much they are actually spending, not saying they aren’t, just hard to see where and how much Beyond the nrl development program.

if we were doing a reset I’d bring in the wa afl system where the clubs have to pay a annual license fee to the state body and that funds grassroots development. At moment nswrl get $20mill from nrl. If every club had to pay a $2mill a year license fee nswrl would have double the funding then as a kid it wouldn’t matter where you lived in nsw you’d get better support and encouragement to play RL, at moment it’s a postcode lottery. Outside of nsw what a difference nrlvic could do with three times there current funding because Storm were paying them $2mill a year license fee etc

'They all come through our systems': Penrith to cut junior funding

Penrith CEO Bryan Fletcher vowed that the Panthers would survive the pandemic despite being forced to shut down their five clubs due to government restrictions.

www.google.com

This might help

 

[Wb1234]

where do penrith spend millions? Are they giving big grants to every jnr club? Or covering insurance and kit costs for all jnr teams? Are they do promotional work in schools? genuinely interested ot know where millions of $’s is being g spent on jnrs beyond hm and sg ball, and any other elite program Costs.
had a look at their annual reports and it’s hard to pick out how much they are actually spending, not saying they aren’t, just hard to see where and how much Beyond the nrl development program.

if we were doing a reset I’d bring in the wa afl system where the clubs have to pay a annual license fee to the state body and that funds grassroots development. At moment nswrl get $20mill from nrl. If every club had to pay a $2mill a year license fee nswrl would have double the funding then as a kid it wouldn’t matter where you lived in nsw you’d get better support and encouragement to play RL, at moment it’s a postcode lottery. Outside of nsw what a difference nrlvic could do with three times there current funding because Storm were paying them $2mill a year license fee etc

'They all come through our systems': Penrith to cut junior funding

Penrith CEO Bryan Fletcher vowed that the Panthers would survive the pandemic despite being forced to shut down their five clubs due to government restrictions.

amp.smh.com.au

Nah I want the clubs to produce the juniors they are way better than the nrl at doing this. It’s up to the nrl to reward clubs like Penrith

 

[siv]

I am aware if ine LC that pays for everything at the grassroot level in urs NRL district

From uniforms, registration, insurance etc etc

Which equates to around $2 mil

In NSW you have all 12 district clubs putting in money. While some NRL are even putting money into NSW country divisions

And there are all of the country LCs adding money in

 

[Wb1234]

I am aware if ine LC that pays for everything at the grassroot level in urs NRL district

From uniforms, registration, insurance etc etc

Which equates to around $2 mil

In NSW you have all 12 district clubs putting in money. While some NRL are even putting money into NSW country divisions

And there are all of the country LCs adding money in

Which country areas have leagues clubs ? I know Canberra has a few as does wests Newcastle but I’m guessing you don’t mean those ?

 

[Dark Corner]

Wipe the slate clean and let it be
West Tigers in Perth
Central Coast Bulldogs
St.George illawarra full time in Wollongong as you shouldn't build a 20000 stadium which is hardly used.

 

[Perth Red]

'They all come through our systems': Penrith to cut junior funding

Penrith CEO Bryan Fletcher vowed that the Panthers would survive the pandemic despite being forced to shut down their five clubs due to government restrictions.

www.google.com

This might help

Doesnt explain what the $4 mill is being spent on? What exactly are they paying for? Is there no registration or kit fees in panthers district jnr clubs? do the clubs get equipment and rent funding from panthers?

 

[Iamback]

Doesnt explain what the $4 mill is being spent on? What exactly are they paying for? Is there no registration or kit fees in panthers district jnr clubs? do the clubs get equipment and rent funding from panthers?

At the time this article was written

Ran their own NSW Cup team
Jersey Flegg
SG Ball
Harold Matts
Andrew Johns Cup
Laurie Daley Cup
U18's womens comps

Employed staff to run academies in

Forbes, Bathurst and Dubbo

Run Biggest junior league comp in the world

There is no way all those are funded if not by a club

Roosters now run Central Coast junior teams - They would be merged with Newcastle or something if done centrally

 

[Wb1234]

At the time this article was written

Ran their own NSW Cup team
Jersey Flegg
SG Ball
Harold Matts
Andrew Johns Cup
Laurie Daley Cup
U18's womens comps

Employed staff to run academies in

Forbes, Bathurst and Dubbo

Run Biggest junior league comp in the world

There is no way all those are funded if not by a club

Roosters now run Central Coast junior teams - They would be merged with Newcastle or something if done centrally

Did they actually follow through and reduce funding ?

 

[Iamback]

Did they actually follow through and reduce funding ?

The Womens side was scrapped last season - back now

The sides in the country comps went

 

[Perth Red]

At the time this article was written

Ran their own NSW Cup team
Jersey Flegg
SG Ball
Harold Matts
Andrew Johns Cup
Laurie Daley Cup
U18's womens comps

Employed staff to run academies in

Forbes, Bathurst and Dubbo

Run Biggest junior league comp in the world

There is no way all those are funded if not by a club

Roosters now run Central Coast junior teams - They would be merged with Newcastle or something if done centrally

When you say run the jnr comp what do you mean? Do they employ the refs and staff to organise fixtures etc? Do they directly fund anything in terms of costs for players or clubs? Just interested to understand what it means when LC’s say they are funding jnr RL.

I get hm and sg ball,etc that’s just development pathways for nrl and I do t see that as funding grassroots as there is much self interest in spending in those areas For the nrl club.

 

[Iamback]

When you say run the jnr comp what do you mean? Do they employ the refs and staff to organise fixtures etc? Do they directly fund anything in terms of costs for players or clubs? Just interested to understand what it means when LC’s say they are funding jnr RL.

I get hm and sg ball,etc that’s just development pathways for nrl and I do t see that as funding grassroots as there is much self interest in spending in those areas For the nrl club.

Spoken like someone that has no experience in sport

Insurance for the players
Medical costs
Staff to run the sides for the SG Ball/Matts teams

Referees,
Ground hire
Insurance also

 

[Perth Red]

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Spoken like someone that has no experience in sport

Insurance for the players
Medical costs
Staff to run the sides for the SG Ball/Matts teams

Referees,
Ground hire
Insurance also

So the panthers pay for this all 500 plus teams in their catchment Area? So is it free to play rugby league in their region ie no registration or kit costs?

Referees,
Ground hire
Insurance also

 

[siv]

Which country areas have leagues clubs ? I know Canberra has a few as does wests Newcastle but I’m guessing you don’t mean those ?

There are a few on this list

Member Clubs - Leagues Club Australia

lca.asn.au

 

[Pippen94]

You might be right about smaller clubs having a more fanatical supporter base. Wynnum Manly Seagulls are the best supported BRL club and draw strong crowds who are very vocal. The combined population of Wynnum, Wynnum West, Manly and Manly West is about 50k.

Souths Logan have no support in Logan and bugger all people from southern Brisbane bother to attend their games at West End, which is an inner city suburb with a high population density and lots of people commuting through it each day. I've been to Souths Logan games where I and a handfull of other people were the only ones watching from the sidelines.

Norths Devils draw poor crowds in Nundah. Easts Tigers draw decent crowds. Redcliffe Dolphins have always been strong. Ipswich Jets draw more than Norths and Souths Logan but not as much as Wynnum, Redcliffe and Easts.

So Wynnum manly down to redland only has 50k population?!

 

[Pippen94]

Either you've never read the book or this is a very poor piece of cherry picking.

If you'd read the book you'd know that Dr Fujak clearly shows that rationalisation works when done well (Swans and Lions being the undeniable examples), and that removing the Bears wasn't the issue, it was abandoning the NS region to it's own machinations after removing the Bears that was the mistake.

Dr Fujak also goes into deep detail as to why Sydney has the most competitive sports market of the major capital cities, and it's got little to nothing to do with the rationalisation of the NRL in the late 90s. That graph actually supports that position as well, as 3 of the bottom 5 regions of Sydney with the lowest interest in RL actually have direct representation in the NRL, those being the City and Inner South (Souths, Easts, and St. George), Eastern Suburbs (Easts and Souths), and Inner West (Tigers).

So surely if simply having an NRL team in a region was enough to ensure high interest in the NRL those regions would be up near the top of that graph, not near the bottom, and given their circumstances it's probably not safe to assume that the North Sydney region would be much better off if the Bears hadn't been given the arse.

So basically you've done yourself a mischief because you've disproved your own claim with your own evidence.

The good Dr is spinning at the data to make point he wants.
It's clear areas which retained teams have stronger interest & those that lost teams altogether (north & inner west) or partially have least interest.
Makes sense. Doesn't help Dr's point so he ignores it but it can't be denied

 

[Pippen94]

Commbank stadium has made parramatta a financial powerhouse. The football clubs revenue is up I think 3 million in game day sales and memberships and sponsorships. In addition the leagues club has seen revenues increase many millions as well.

the new ground at Penrith will do the same for the panthers. They already had one of the strongest assets bases in the league anyway.

those two clubs are going to be amongst the strongest in the league financially and also in terms of producing juniors

Ignoring the area provides a huge number of NRL players, Penrith donr some big crowds this year. New stadium could be getting 25k & above regularly. Interesting approaching what swans do, who are always cited as some great success

 

[The Great Dane]

The good Dr is spinning at the data to make point he wants.
It's clear areas which retained teams have stronger interest & those that lost teams altogether (north & inner west) or partially have least interest.
Makes sense. Doesn't help Dr's point so he ignores it but it can't be denied

The projection in this post is unbelievable.

You are the one that was caught trying to spin the data, and now you're attempting to ignore anything that doesn't support your baseless position.

It's wilful ignorance of the worst kind.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

So Wynnum manly down to redland only has 50k population?!

If you add the surrounding suburbs of Lota, Gumdale ane Lytton it would be around that, maybe a bit more. I think Redland has about 160k.

It would be good if Redlands Parrots and Wynnum Manly Seagulls became the one organisation. Redlands Parrots could represent the Seagulls in the BRL.