Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

[perverse]

I say Chewy will die, not Han. Luke to either be in self-imposed exile or slight possibility of being the bad guy above Kylo Ren. Either way, he'll get very little screen time. Heavy focus on our new leads that need to carry us through at least 2 more films.

 

[LESStar58]

Maybe its just me but Luke going bad makes no sense.

 

[sandshark]

I think its Han who dies.
I have read and heard that Harrison Ford wanted him to die in Return Of The Jedi.
And was a bit pissed when it didn't happen too.

Probably only signed onto this movie so that Harrison gets the death he always wanted.

 

[saint.nick]

A couple of weeks ago when I saw The Martian I had some chump next to me lighting up the cinema texting on his iPhone 6 plus.

I told him that if it continued I would jam it so far down his throat he would require a proctologist to send a text message in future.

Moral of the story is don't be a jerk and observe cinema etiquette.

smartphones are corrupting our society...

 

[Incorrect]

I think its Han who dies.
I have read and heard that Harrison Ford wanted him to die in Return Of The Jedi.
And was a bit pissed when it didn't happen too.

Probably only signed onto this movie so that Harrison gets the death he always wanted.

Art to imitate Life perhaps???? Maybe Han goes down flying this thing around?

 

[LESStar58]

I think its Han who dies.
I have read and heard that Harrison Ford wanted him to die in Return Of The Jedi.
And was a bit pissed when it didn't happen too.

Probably only signed onto this movie so that Harrison gets the death he always wanted.

If Han doesn't die I'll be very surprised.

 

[sandshark]

If Han doesn't die I'll be very surprised.

Yeah I'm with you.
Would see no point in any of the new cast dying.

Interesting that Luke isn't in the trailers and poster.
Says a lot about him only being in one or two scenes possibly at the end of this movie.

 

[LESStar58]

Yet he's got the 2nd highest billing on the poster...

 

[saint.nick]

Okay, at first I scoffed at the idea of Luke turning to the dark side...but now I think it really might actually happen. Maybe he won't die a villain, but it would really make shit interesting. The fact you never see his face in the trailers just makes it so suspicious.

 

[GC_Gladiator]

Luke going to the dark side would shit on the original 3 movies and go 100% against the character developed.

 

[saint.nick]

I'd love it actually

 

[sandshark]

Well whatever they do lets hope its explained well.
Long time between innings.

Bought tickets today. Pumped!

 

[perverse]

Luke going to the dark side would shit on the original 3 movies and go 100% against the character developed.

Your imagination is fairly limited, then. The force would have been extremely unbalanced after the death of Vader, given that there was only 1 Jedi left and no Sith that we're aware of. Given that Anakin was supposed to bring balance to the force as per the prophecy, I think there's a lot of leeway for Luke having an internal struggle and going mad in exile.

I also think there's a lot of leeway for Luke to have trained Kylo or the entire Knights of Ren as the start of a new Jedi order - only to have them turn to the dark side... making Luke still good, but having a hand in the birth of the "new" dark side players. This would especially make sense given Lukes mandate to pass on what he knew after ROTJ. It would make sense x2 given that Luke wasn't even a true Jedi master himself... he trained for like a few days with Yoda? A typical Jedi apprenticeship lasts years... decades even? This makes both he and his students susceptible to the dark side regardless of intention and character imo.

After all, Anakin himself was a good guy that was corrupted practically unwittingly. He trained a lot longer than Luke and was still corrupted by the dark side.

Seriously, there is so much scope for Luke's position in this movie, his almost complete visual absence pre-movie tells me JJ has something up his sleeve a-la Khan in Star Trek: Into Darkness. I think the only thing we can be sure of is that Luke will be integral to the plot, even if his screen time turns out low. Even then I'm not totally confident, it could all be a red herring.

 

[GC_Gladiator]

1. Anakin brought balance to the force by wiping out the Jedi order and going on to become Vader.
2. Your second point has nothing to do with Luke going to the dark side, more so of good intentions going awry, which is more plausible given Luke's nature in 4-6.

The thing that movies 1-3 illustrated in my mind was that Anakin always had a darkness to his character and that Luke was the better man. It would be stupid to have him follow the exact same arc as his father, although we could have a final scene of Luke riding in an x-wing into the death star l, sons of anarchy style.

 

[I Bleed Maroon]

I've watched the trailer and people's reactions to it about a million times. The hype is real.

While I am remiss to say that I reckon Luke has turned to the dark side, mostly because of the photo of him in costume channeling Old Obi Wan, I do find it interesting the only characters we haven't seen yet are him and Kylo Ren.

The most we've seen of Ren is his back when he attacks Finn. The only chance that Luke has turned to the dark is if this guy:

Is actually not the Master and is in fact the Apprentice to this guy:

Which, if you notice their sleeves in both shots, is very unlikely. They're the same dude.

 

[I Bleed Maroon]

EDIT: Nevermind.

 

[perverse]

1. Anakin brought balance to the force by wiping out the Jedi order and going on to become Vader.
2. Your second point has nothing to do with Luke going to the dark side, more so of good intentions going awry, which is more plausible given Luke's nature in 4-6.

The thing that movies 1-3 illustrated in my mind was that Anakin always had a darkness to his character and that Luke was the better man. It would be stupid to have him follow the exact same arc as his father, although we could have a final scene of Luke riding in an x-wing into the death star l, sons of anarchy style.

You do nothing to address any of my points re: Lukes potential susceptibility to the dark side at all, really. What makes you so sure of his intrinsic good and uncorruptability? If anything, I've already illustrated that is naive given that far more learned and trained Jedi have fallen to the dark side in the past - and not just Anakin. Luke is a very, very poor excuse for a Jedi at best... and is more like a kid with a shotgun.

I'm not sure what is "stupid" about Luke following in his fathers footsteps. Not only does this happen oftentimes in reality - but the entire nature of Star Wars is cyclical. Rather than being "stupid" as you've claimed, it would actually be a very snug fit. If anything, I only doubt it because it's too good a fit and too easy. Predictability has certainly never harmed Star Wars, though... hell, we all watched the prequels even though they sucked AND we knew how they ended.

I'll accept that Anakin becoming Vader brought balance to the force. It seems like an odd balance, with the Empire being so dominant and the Jedi being extinct - but if we take it to mean Vader + Palpatine = Obiwan + Yoda then essentially I guess there is balance for a while. I'll give you that, it doesn't make a difference to my point anyway.

My second "point" wasn't really a point per se, just me continuing along a train of thought that you started me on with Lukes potential in the movie, but whatever - I digress. I see a lot of opportunity for Luke to be in just about any position in this movie - and have it be congruent the canon of the previous 6 movies... and I'm not even a writer, let alone the writer/producer/director of many popular tv shows and movies. I can only arrive at my original conclusion that you lack imagination.

 

[perverse]

I've watched the trailer and people's reactions to it about a million times. The hype is real.

While I am remiss to say that I reckon Luke has turned to the dark side, mostly because of the photo of him in costume channeling Old Obi Wan, I do find it interesting the only characters we haven't seen yet are him and Kylo Ren.

The most we've seen of Ren is his back when he attacks Finn. The only chance that Luke has turned to the dark is if this guy:

Is actually not the Master and is in fact the Apprentice to this guy:

Which, if you notice their sleeves in both shots, is very unlikely. They're the same dude.

That first screenshot has bugged me for a while, too. It almost looks like Kylo is photoshopped (poorly) into the shot, given the amount of snow blasting across the faces of the troopers immediately behind him. The shot will probably make sense in motion... but there's definitely some cards that JJ is keeping close to his chest around Kylo and Luke. I'm sure one of the theories kicking around will nail it... i'll be even more impressed if they don't.

Luke has top billing on IMDB and second billing on the poster... it would be highly irregular for him to be a cameo at the end of the movie. All things are possible, though. I'm sure we're being misled at some point.

Either way, I'm pumped. Every single thing we've seen about the film so far has been phenomenal.

 

[elyod138]

The muffled Kylo Ren voice in the trailer is obviously Adam Driver.

There will probably be some sort of twist but I doubt that Luke is Kylo Ren.

 

[Last Week]

One of the best stories/struggles of the original series was Luke resisting the dark side. He came close when he cut off Vaders arm, but that's when his journey reached it's final cross road. It's final test. He stopped and announced himself as a Jedi. The entire personal trilogy for Luke was about him becoming a Jedi and he finally did it. We all fell in love with the characters and what they became because of their journeys. Han and Luke specifically. They can't ruin that now just for shock value.

Having Luke turn to the dark side 30 years later makes the original trilogy pointless. I expect a stupid swerve like that from WWE.

No, there are plenty of other ways they could have twists in the story without blowing the integrity of the original series.

Personally, I hope Kylo Ren's origins have nothing to do with the original three. At least not being the offspring of any of them.