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Stewart banned till rnd 5

Pass the Ball

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Thats up to the NRL to decide. I personally will decide after the evidence.

Once again I will bring up SBW just for hipocracy's sake.

If you think it is up to the NRL to decide, then STFU because they have already deemed it to be bringing the game into disrepute..
 

CharlieF

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Disagree. It should be up to the club to punish the player first. They're his employers. The NRL were hoping Manly would make the right decision but they did not. I don't think we should be having a situation where the NRL should be stepping in and punishing player for every indiscretion. That is the club's responsibility. If they fail to do that however that's when the NRL should step in.

The club has made the right decision.

The NRL has made the right decision.
 

bartman

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I was pointing out that the presumption is with stewart before the initial hearing. Standing him down only until he pleads not guilty makes no sense as he already has the presumption.


But.......

If the NRL did indeed stand down a player becuase of the charges he was on it would infrigne on the presumption of innocence. Clearly the NRL believe this aswell as they were careful to say they make no judgments as to the charges.


It will be very interesting in the future if there is a similar charge against a player that is stone cold sober. The NRL will be under serious pressure to stand him down aswell, but on what grounds? IMO they have painted themselved into a corner.
The first bit is losing me a little, but that's probably because my brain is work-fried and it's time for my siesta...

But yes, in the future will be interesting to see if this is more a stance against players charged with sexual misconduct, or about players inappropriate use of alcohol.

Personally I'm fine with a sober player who is charged with sexual assault being stood down the same as Stewart. And I'm fine with a player whose inappropriate use of alcohol leads to bringing the game in disrepute as much as Stewart also being stood down while investigations continue.
 
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Apparently Brett Stewart will continue as the star in the new NRL campaign, they've simply renamed the song to "Thats my Teen".

(Sorry if already posted)
 

sneagle

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As per the LeagueHq article
""The key line from Gallop after the ban and fine had been imposed was that Manly had "undertaken to review its ongoing stance in relation to Brett playing from round five on the basis of any new information that may come to light".
In other words, the league expects Manly to make an appropriate call. If the league isn't happy with Manly's actions, expect it to again come over the top and make its own call.
The league, with its four-match ban, has effectively bought time, to see how things pan out, and Stewart's suspension should be seen as an interim one at this stage. The police investigation becomes the key point now, with the potential for the ban to be extended if further evidence is unearthed that is particularly damning for him.
Under those circumstances, Stewart's future as a player - over the course of this season, at the very least - is up in the air. He is due to appear in court on April 7."

It would seem from the above that the NRL are looking at the charges (I don't know what else would come to light unless Brett got intoxicated again and was involved in something new).

What and how would the NRL make further decisions in regards to this, if Brett maintains his innocence?
On what would the basis of their decision be?
 

CharlieF

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As per the LeagueHq article
""The key line from Gallop after the ban and fine had been imposed was that Manly had "undertaken to review its ongoing stance in relation to Brett playing from round five on the basis of any new information that may come to light".
In other words, the league expects Manly to make an appropriate call. If the league isn't happy with Manly's actions, expect it to again come over the top and make its own call.
The league, with its four-match ban, has effectively bought time, to see how things pan out, and Stewart's suspension should be seen as an interim one at this stage. The police investigation becomes the key point now, with the potential for the ban to be extended if further evidence is unearthed that is particularly damning for him.
Under those circumstances, Stewart's future as a player - over the course of this season, at the very least - is up in the air. He is due to appear in court on April 7."

It would seem from the above that the NRL are looking at the charges (I don't know what else would come to light unless Brett got intoxicated again and was involved in something new).

What and how would the NRL make further decisions in regards to this, if Brett maintains his innocence?
On what would the basis of their decision be?

The NRL don't want to make the call do they. Here is a suggestion. The NRL tells Manly they will cover their legal costs if they are wrong, and then Manly will make the decision for them.
 

bartman

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It would seem from the above that the NRL are looking at the charges (I don't know what else would come to light unless Brett got intoxicated again and was involved in something new).
Reading between the lines, pretty much yes, but they can't say so for Stewart's sake (prejudicing his trial).

What and how would the NRL make further decisions in regards to this, if Brett maintains his innocence?
On what would the basis of their decision be?
I think you've touched on a key point there. Let's see what the next five weeks bring in terms of that, and let the NRL take it from there.
 

Eels Dude

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Perhaps they want an official statement from the Manly club and Brett Stewart as to what actually happened on the evening in question.
 

Eels Dude

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And prejudice the case?????

That's not the point. The NRL has the right to a 'please explain'. It's quite standard practice for clubs to do internal investigations into an off field incident if the NRL requests them to, and they should submit their findings just like every other club.
 

Timmah

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Interesting perspective here. Does the name Darren Lockyer mean anything in this discussion? Australian Captain, denied and lied about a drunken rampage in Caxton St last year, only to be easily identified in security footage. The list of examples are unfortunately quite long too. Is this the response to clean up the 'boofhead' image of league? Oh please... Gallop and his crownies have no idea how to handle the players. They rely on reactions. You would think in a week that Gallop is going to be launching an anti-violence campaign, he would send a reminder to all clubs to keep their noses clean. Its silly a club would need to be reminded (especially Manly and Stewart ffs) however it is obvious nothing is impossible when it comes to footballers.

I'd like to see the club stand him down, not a hypocritical response from the NRL. Why didn't they do it? Will this happen the next time a player is accused of doing something stupid when drunk? Or only when it costs them a $1.5m ad campaign?

The whole handling of these situations has once again been fluffed up.
Drunken rampage? Sensationalising much? You should write for the Tele.

Your points are right, the one's you are trying to negate that is - "only when it costs them a $1.5m ad campaign - that is directly relevant to part of why they stood him down. He'd just been given the honour of being the face of the comp, and then he shirked responsibility by consuming too much alcohol, ultimately landing himself in a situation where he became the alleged perpetrator of a serious crime.
Thats the complete and utter hypocrisy of one D Gallop. Name me another player suspended for 5 weeks for being drunk?
Reni Mutua last yr? No
SBW? No

List goes on and on.

Gallop is a fool
So because he didn't before but did now, he's a fool?
woah this thread is crazy.

how come Lafranchi played the whole time he was under a charge but Brett Stewart has been banned? anyone?
Relevance? Completely difference case. You can't just keep comparing it to previous cases because it feels right to.
That's not what I said. You have contradicted yourself, players facing sexual assault charges from now on won't have to follow the 'precedent' set by Stewart's case if "the past is redundant" will they? Furthermore, he officially isn't being stood down because of the charges so no, I don't expect players on these charges to be stood down in the future.
The problem is that the past precedents SHOULD apply until such time that the NRL introduce new laws stating what will happen in the future. Otherwise Stewart is being unfairly made an example of.
Unfairly made an example of? :lol: You make it sound like he was an angel and did nothing wrong.

He did.

The NRL, in future, should absolutely come under fire if they don't follow this precedent. This time they have made the right decision. They've responded to the disdain of the sporting community and indeed the general public who are sick of seeing/reading/hearing stories about drunk players and unsavoury incidents.

There is constant pressure in the public forum (i.e. not the hardcore supporters here, the outside world who reads this stuff) for the code to be seen to take a hardline stance. They finally have done so and now some are taking aim at them for hypocrisy?

If they fugg up if another of these events happens in the near future and let the next guy off lightly, then have a go all you like. But the NRL is actually doing the right thing - and with business being all about perception, the standing down of this player will certainly do more for it than allowing him to play. There isn't a big outcry apart from some Manly fans on here and on some talkback radio - but you can rest assured a bigger outcry would be heard if he was allowed to take the field on Saturday.
Yeah, but players aren't sacked for DUI. Just ask SBW.
Pretty sure he was either heavily fined or stood down for a week, which one I can't remember.


I think a lot of people defending Stewart are forgetting the important things - Stewart, while not yet a convicted criminal (and may never be), has still done wrong. He's not innocent of being a goose and his actions, even if not criminal, have brought the game into disrepute. For that alone the NRL have made the right decision. As bartman has said - the past is irrelevant in this case, this is a chance for the NRL to cast a new no-tolerance image and I for one hope they stick to it - but I will be the first to give it to them if they do go back on this hard-line stance.
 

Tommax25

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I should hope it will be. Don't forget bringing the game into disrepute for not being able to control yourself to the point of not remembering your actions and being charged with sexual assault is very different to getting drunk in a pub, ejected by bouncers and going home. It's just the NRL can't say anything other than Stewart being drunk, because everything else is yet to be agreed/proven beyond reasonable doubt. But the damage to the game is already there due to Stewart's actions (and regardless of verdict), hence the suspesion.
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Ok fair enough there, but stewart officially was suspended for drunk, unprofessional conduct, which essentially means he got drunk, stuffed up and got in the papers, damaged the codes integrity. So even though, say, drunkenly urinating in public and being caught on a videophone and makes the papers/news is no where near what happened with stewart, if it gets in the paper/news it should be 4 weeks, but it wont be. Thats my problem.

And even if your response to that is something like well we both know he was not suspended for being drunk, it was for the sexual assaualt charges, well then I go back to laffranchi and crocket not being suspended for 4 weeks. And even if you say, like you have, the nrl is drawing a line in the sand ect then I still say its unfair that they have chosen this incident today rather than others in the past to make their stand. And you might reply that they have to make a stand at some point otherwise it will continue forever and they cant hand out punishments retroactively then I would say why did they not draft in rules after laffranchi or crocket or even at any time since then stating that any player charged with a serious crime or sexual assualt. But then I expect us to start going in circles so meh.

p.s. would those have been your responses? I just assumed, feel free to correct me.
 

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