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Storm, Bulldogs, Warriors -> salary cap rorters and cheats!

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FamilyFirst

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What do these scum clubs have in common?

All super league clubs, and all cheats! News Limited reaps what it sews!

FF
 
Ulysseus

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PARANoIR said:
When did Melbourne play in the Super League? Must've missed that.
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Well to be fair they were kicked off by the f**kwit (Ribot) centrally involved in the whole Super League sh*t fight.

And to be fair its not like the Warriors actually gained anything by cheating the f**king cap anyway, if I recall they were well outside the 8 on one occasion, which proves you can cheat and still manage to f**k it up.
 
Ulysseus

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simostorm said:
Add Titans, Brisbane, Manly, Parramatta, Newcastle, Canberra,
and the Roosters to that list.
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Newcastle did do a big one in 2000, to the tune of 250K if I remember, basically signing Kennedy nailed them, oddly thought they only got fined 125K and lost no players, and won the comp the next year :shock:

Roosters, well, many eyebrows were raised in the years 2002 to 2004, but no proof.

Titans?, f**ked if I know.

Parra? - got no comp out of it

Canberra - so long ago it don't matter and hardly to the tune of todays amounts

simo, are you bringing these up as talking points or trying to excuse the storms scum bag actions?
I hope its the former and not the latter, as nothing will.
Even Newcastle, whom I don't particularly like, did not do it in this manner.
 
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simostorm said:
Add Titans, Brisbane, Manly, Parramatta, Newcastle, Canberra,
and the Roosters to that list.
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You need to be corrected. Manly have not made one single surreptitious player overpayment and do not fit in that list at all.

Manly have the cleanest record in the NRL.

So before you cast improper slurs answer this question. In how many years since inception were the storm penalised for breaches of the cap ?
 
madunit

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Ulysseus said:
Canberra - so long ago it don't matter and hardly to the tune of todays amounts

simo, are you bringing these up as talking points or trying to excuse the storms scum bag actions?
I hope its the former and not the latter, as nothing will.
Even Newcastle, whom I don't particularly like, did not do it in this manner.
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in 1990-91 the salary cap was $1.5 million.
Canberra exceeded the cap by $300,000

$300,000 in 1990 would be very similar in value to $700,000 today.

They weren't fined. They had their 1992 salary cap reduced by the amount they exceeded it by.

A fair call if you ask me.
 
East Coast Tiger

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If you want to salvage a decent point out of this rather pointless thread, I'd say the link between the three clubs who clearly and deliberately made secret payments to players to breach the cap was that they were all the victims of a small number of rotten eggs within the club admin. And in one case they weren't discovered until they'd left. In Waldron's case that is also true. The moral I think is that any club is at risk if the wrong people get their hands on the reins. Having said that I honestly think we will see no more cheating in the future after this. The punishment is not worth the risk, especially if people start facing criminal charges. Although that doesn't discount there being other clubs who might be caught having diddled the books up until now.
 
byrne_rovelli_fan82

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Hmm maybe you need to research your info Family First, because everyone NRL club has been fned for salary cap breaches, it just so happens not by as much, but they have all done it (look it up)
 
thorson1987

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FamilyFirst said:
What do these scum clubs have in common?

All super league clubs, and all cheats! News Limited reaps what it sews!

FF
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Here you go you dumbass,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salary_cap

Breaches

The penalties for clubs found to have breached the NRL salary cap and salary floor regulations include fines and/or deduction of premiership points.
The following breaches of the salary cap and salary floor have occurred:

  • In 1991, the Canberra Raiders were fined $100,000 and ordered to pay $85,000 in unpaid salary from 1990.
  • Eight clubs were fined in 2000: Newcastle ($159,000), the New Zealand Warriors ($100,000), Penrith ($81,000), Canterbury ($50,000), Parramatta ($40,000), Melbourne ($24,500), the Sydney Roosters ($13,000) and Cronulla ($7,000).
  • Three clubs were fined in 2001: North Queensland ($100,000), Melbourne ($90,000) and Brisbane ($84,000).
  • In 2002, the Canterbury Bulldogs were found to have committed serious and systematic breaches totaling $920,000, which was enough for two extra top level players; these breaches were described by NRL Chief Executive David Gallop as "exceptional in both its size and its deliberate and ongoing nature". The club was fined a record $500,000 and deducted all 37 premiership points received during the season; the club won the wooden spoon as a result of the latter penalty. An extensive NRL investigation resulted in two senior club officials being charged with 21 counts of fraud, theft and forgery by the NSW Police; both pleaded guilty and were sentenced to nine years imprisonment with a non-parole period of seven years.
  • Five other clubs were also fined in 2002: the Sydney Roosters ($149,000), Newcastle ($85,000), Melbourne ($67,000), the Wests Tigers ($58,500) and Brisbane ($57,500).
  • Nine clubs were fined in 2003 after a crackdown in light of the Canterbury scandal the year before: Melbourne ($131,000), Penrith ($60,000), Newcastle ($40,000), Brisbane ($20,000), South Sydney ($15,250), the New Zealand Warriors ($15,000), Cronulla ($10,000), and Canterbury ($10,000).
  • Seven clubs were fined in 2004: Melbourne ($120,000), Canterbury ($82,500), St George Illawarra ($32,500), Penrith ($25,000), the Sydney Roosters ($25,000), and Canberra ($5,000).
  • Four clubs were fined for minor breaches in 2005: St George Illawarra ($20,000), Newcastle ($11,000), Canterbury ($8,500) and Canberra ($1,000).
  • In 2006, the New Zealand Warriors revealed that their former management had exceeded the salary cap in 2004 and 2005. The club was fined $430,000 and were ordered to start the 2006 season with a four premiership point deficit and to play the 2007 season under a reduced salary cap of $3.15 million (salary floor of $2.79 million).
  • In 2007, the Canberra Raiders were fined $175,000 but did not have any points deducted.
  • Six clubs were fined in 2008: South Sydney ($71,000), Wests Tigers ($47,000), Canberra ($46,000), Canterbury ($25,000 and given a $25,000 good behaviour bond), Melbourne ($14,000) and Brisbane ($10,000).[22]
  • Five clubs were fined for minor breaches in 2009: St George Illawarra ($15,000), South Sydney ($12,500), Gold Coast ($5,500), Bulldogs ($5,000) and Wests Tigers ($3,500).
  • In 2010, Melbourne Storm officials confessed to running a well-organized dual contract system which left the NRL unable to know of at least $1.7 million of payments made to players outside of the $4.21875 million salary cap between 2006 and 2010. The club have been stripped of their 2007 and 2009 premierships and their 2006–2008 minor premierships; the club was also fined $500,000, ordered to repay $1.1 million in prize money (which will be re-distributed equally between the remaining 15 clubs), deducted all 8 premiership points received during the season, and were barred from receiving premiership points for the rest of the season, meaning that the club will win the 2010 wooden spoon. The matter has been referred to the Victoria Police.
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And just for sh*ts and giggles here is the AFL list of breaches. (is in the same link.)

Breaches

No clubs have yet been penalized for violating salary floor regulations (i.e. deliberately underpaying players).
The following breaches of the salary cap have occurred:

  • In 1987 (the cap's first year), Sydney were fined the maximum of $20,000 and forfeited a first round draft pick after being found to have almost doubled the cap with a total payroll of $2.4 million.
  • In 1992, Hawthorn was fined $28,500 for a minor breach in relation to benefit payments.
  • In 1993, three clubs were fined for minor breaches: Western Bulldogs ($3000), Carlton ($10,000) and Melbourne ($13,500).
  • In 1994, Carlton were fined $50,000 for minor salary cap breaches.
  • In 1995, Sydney were fined $20,000 after key documents relating to contract and financial details were lost by club officials, leaving the club with no cap room; Sydney had to skip the pre-season draft and play the season two players short as a result of these errors. The club officials were fired by the Swans.
  • In 1996, Essendon were fined a record $388,500 and ordered to pay a further $250,000 in back tax and penalties after an ATO investigation and an AFL investigation into draft tampering found they had repeatedly breached the salary cap by a total of $514,500 between 1991 and 1996; the club was also barred from the pre-season draft, the rookie draft and the first three rounds of the National Draft.
  • Ten other clubs were also fined in 1996 for minor breaches in a crackdown following the Sydney incident the year before: Fitzroy, St Kilda and North Melbourne ($30,000 each), Richmond ($20,000), and Brisbane, Collingwood, Western Bulldogs, Fremantle, Hawthorn and the West Coast Eagles ($10,000 each).
  • In 1997, Port Adelaide was fined $50,000 for a minor salary cap breach.
  • In 1998, Geelong ($77,000), Collingwood ($47,500), Hawthorn ($45,000) and Richmond ($21,000) were fined for minor breaches, with Geelong and Collingwood both being barred from the pre-season draft; during the season, the West Coast Eagles were fined $100,000 and also forfeited a draft pick.
  • In 1999, Melbourne were fined a record $600,000 and barred from the first three rounds of the 2000 National Draft, with Fremantle being handed their first round selection from the 1999 draft as compensation for losing ruckman Jeff White to Melbourne. Carlton ($44,000) were also fined and barred from the pre-season draft.
  • In 2000, Fremantle were fined $54,500 and were barred from the 2001 pre-season draft; North Melbourne ($35,000), Richmond ($10,000), Brisbane ($7500), and Melbourne ($5000) were fined for minor breaches.
  • In 2001, Carlton was fined $125,000 for salary cap breaches and late lodgement of additional services agreements for the 1999 season; they were also barred from the pre-season draft on and forfeited second and third round picks in the 2001 National Draft. North Melbourne ($20,000) and Melbourne ($5000) were fined for minor breaches.
  • In 2002, Carlton were found to have systematically breached the regulations between 1998 and 2001 after an AFL investigation. The club was fined a record $987,500, and were also barred from receiving priority picks and banned from the first two rounds of the National Draft for two years. The club experienced its toughest years as it was restricted from rebuilding its team, and went through a series of disastrous years as it recovered both on-field and off-field from these significant penalties. Carlton would finished last in 2005 and 2006, and 15th in 2007. Carlton were compensated for these placings by receiving a multitude of priority and first round picks.
  • In 2003, Essendon were fined $85,000 for a minor breach, the Western Bulldogs were fined $30,000 for minor salary cap breaches in 2000–2002, and Brisbane were fined $260,000 for late lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of 26 players.
  • In 2005, St Kilda were fined $40,000 for a minor breach.
  • In 2008, Adelaide were fined $20,000 when a player failed to notify the club and the league of personal arrangements made with club associates before the reporting deadline. St Kilda were also fined $10,000 for a minor breach.
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Warriors missed the finals because we started the season -4 and spent half of the 2006 season 'going through the motions'.
 
madunit

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So Melbourne have been caught and penalised for exceeding the cap in:

2000 - fined $24,500
2001 - fined $90,000
2002 - fined $67,000
2003 - fined $131,000
2004 - fined $120,000
2008 - fined $14,000
2010 - fined $500,000, ordered to repay $1.1 million in preizemoney, stripped of 3 minor premierships, 2 premierships and will not accrue any points for the 2010 season after 5 years of breaches (2006-2010)

So, the Storm have been playing for 13 years (since 1998) and have been fined/penalised for exceeding the cap for 10 of those years.

Can't see why anyone anywhere is so surprised. Prior to this penalty, they'd been fined alomst half a million over the previous 10 years for salary cap breaches.
 
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