Strange new Format thoughts

[Wilson1]

Nah, Yorkshire sh*te. The future of RL is the red rose... ;-)



In all seriousness though, my main to questions with the new system is:
1) Is this going to make the comp more competitive or are the top teams going to get better?
Now the top clubs get to budget for a bigger salary cap and more "bigger" games.

2) Is the league going to mean anything? At the moment it means naff all, soon it is going to mean less as instead of qualifying for a cup comp at the end of the year it is going to be to qualify for a league to qualify for a cup comp at the end of the year.

Lower clubs points are going to get wiped so the smaller clubs games are even more meaningless than top clubs. This means it will be even harder to grow.


I would wipe all points at the end of the first league. The winner of that league gets a proper trophy, not some sh*ty shield. Then in the next round every club has a chance. For a final, 1 v 2.

I disagree. Who will really care about winning that first trophy. This is going to mean a lot more as think season Hull KR only needed to win four games in a row to win the competition in the playoffs. With a smaller playoff system having only semi finals then Hull KR couldn't afford to be so far behind.

 

[The Showstopper]

Just let the new format breathe before you go and write it off completely. Relegation means the finals essentially happen at both ends of the table. The final rounds will be rippers. For and Against also might be a very important factor.

 

[roughyedspud]

Your competition would struggle to beat most NSW Cup teams here. You are in denial. We have origin players running around in reserve grade in some instances. I want the game to thrive in the UK as does any proper supporter of the game. I actually wanted England to win the WC because it would create the headlines the game needs in England and Europe. It is astounding how poorly promoted the game is in England but it is the press and it's obssession with FOOTBALL that kills it. You would know as a supporter over there yourself. The 'working class game' getting treated as a second rate citizen.

oh go away little boy....

 

[The Showstopper]

oh go away little boy....

Not a chance.

 

[roughyedspud]

when you sort out the dogs dinner of your reserve grade....and then sort out the basketball scorelines of the holden cup....then and only then can you lecture us how we should structure our leagues....

 

[southernairliebird]

I agree with the above about giving it a go, can't be worse than what we have and will give some of the more forward thinking championship teams something to aim for.

 

[RL The greatest game]

Seems a strange format to me. Certain clubs will use relegation as an excuse not to develop juniors and look for the quick fix answer with has beens or never was players from the NRL.

 

[roughyedspud]

maybe they should offer salary cap incentives for producing & promoting academy kids?

 

[georgesnmith]

i dont mind the new system

at first i thought it was a wind up but seeing the proposal i think it offers a little to every club

licensing was an absolute failure. crusaders, bradford, wakey, london the list goes on about clubs who shouldnt have had a SL place.

however the return of P&R is really rigged against the championship clubs as they will get less money than the 2 "relegated" SL clubs they play off for a spot in SL for.

however the fact that all the championship clubs get more money is a good thing, there are many clubs in the Championship that can maybe go places now.

the english game really cant support more than 10 Super LEague sides properly, id have given the other 2 spots to french clubs and made them exempt from relegation.

But under this scenario Fev for example could easily take the place of cas or wakey and the way the latters finances are going this would be a good thing

 

[hutch]

the english game really cant support more than 10 Super LEague sides properly, id have given the other 2 spots to french clubs and made them exempt from relegation.

I completely agree with this. I don't care how many English fans or clubs it upsets, two things are absolutely essential. One, that there are soon to be two French clubs in super league. And two, that they stay in super league no matter what. How ridiculous would it be if Catalans are relegated in 2015! All of the hard work in France will be completely wasted.

Other things that I would consider would be a an inter club competition or knockout between elite 1 French clubs and uk championship teams and finally attempting to establish championship 1 teams in Scotland and Ireland within the next decade.

 

[Evil Homer]

I completely agree with this. I don't care how many English fans or clubs it upsets, two things are absolutely essential. One, that there are soon to be two French clubs in super league. And two, that they stay in super league no matter what. How ridiculous would it be if Catalans are relegated in 2015! All of the hard work in France will be completely wasted.

Other things that I would consider would be a an inter club competition or knockout between elite 1 French clubs and uk championship teams and finally attempting to establish championship 1 teams in Scotland and Ireland within the next decade.

You can't have P&R and then have some teams exempt from relegation, it doesn't work both ways. Barring a total collapse, I don't expect any teams will ever be relegated anyway as long as there is a play-off so it shouldn't be a problem.

As for the competition between Elite One and Championship clubs, it happened a couple of years ago and totally bombed, although to be fair that was probably more due to the format than anything else. But there really didn't seem to be too much appetite for it. And teams can't be formed in Scotland and Ireland if there is nobody willing to form teams there, you can't just create teams out of thin air with nobody on the ground.

 

[georgesnmith]

You can't have P&R and then have some teams exempt from relegation, it doesn't work both ways. Barring a total collapse, I don't expect any teams will ever be relegated anyway as long as there is a play-off so it shouldn't be a problem.

As for the competition between Elite One and Championship clubs, it happened a couple of years ago and totally bombed, although to be fair that was probably more due to the format than anything else. But there really didn't seem to be too much appetite for it. And teams can't be formed in Scotland and Ireland if there is nobody willing to form teams there, you can't just create teams out of thin air with nobody on the ground.

Catalans were exempt from relegation when they last had P&R.

 

[Wilson1]

Catalans were exempt for a three year period until they got settled. Think about how shit Catalans would have to be if they were to get relegated when they have all of France's rugby league resources at their disposal. While the new system does make it more likely that a more established club does get relegated, the chances are still quite low. Catalans have finished well off bottom in the last three years.

Also if Toulouse want to be in Super League they have to get there the same way everyone else does. Enter in Championship One and work your way up. I'm all for rugby league in France but special treatment doesn't help them.

 

[bender]

Assuming that prmotion/relegation is a must, the more i start to understand this system, the more i like it. I think that the ESL should be commended for experimenting with this, and i think it can work.

Still, there is one change i would really like to see (and i think it might happen eventually). Instead of having 4 Super league clubs drop down to be joined by the 4 championship clubs (okay, i still dont understand what is happening exactly), i think that the 4 "relegated" super league clubs should be joined by just 2 championship clubs and the top 2 French clubs.

Firstly, i think that this would be a much more exciting competition for the French (and the english for that matter). It might even help selling the competition to the French TV stations, but that is a little pie in the sky.
Secondly, With the French competition finishing in the Winter, it would give the ambitious clubs enough time to spend on Strenghtening their squads, so that they actually have a realistic chance of improving enough to be competitive with the championship clubs and possibly even the Super league clubs. If France get their best non superleague sides into the top side, they might actually stand a chance of making superleague.
Thirdly, You would have to say that with this format, it would be almost impossible for both French sides (assuming Toulouse were given a starting spot or earn a spot at one stage) to be relegated and if they cant stay up in these circumstances, you would think they probably dont deserve to.

 

[georgesnmith]

Catalans were exempt for a three year period until they got settled. Think about how shit Catalans would have to be if they were to get relegated when they have all of France's rugby league resources at their disposal. While the new system does make it more likely that a more established club does get relegated, the chances are still quite low. Catalans have finished well off bottom in the last three years.

Also if Toulouse want to be in Super League they have to get there the same way everyone else does. Enter in Championship One and work your way up. I'm all for rugby league in France but special treatment doesn't help them.

thats true its highly unlikely even if Les catalans ended up in the second group of 8 that they couldnt avoid being relegated, playing clubs like fev

if any SL club gets relegated under the new format it will be one of the weaker english clubs like cas, wakey or especially broncos, clubs who struggle financially

potentially featherstone could take one of their spots

the likelihood of Les Cats being relegated is fairly small and theyd have to be really bad to have it happen

 

[Evil Homer]

^ Not sure why you keep bringing up Featherstone, they are really nowhere near as strong as Cas or Wakefield and I doubt they'll even come close to being in Super League TBH. The only club that has any hope is Sheffield, and their coach has recently come out and said that the new format is a joke so read into that what you want.

London will be relegated this year, and then will probably fold.

 

[bender]

^ Not sure why you keep bringing up Featherstone, they are really nowhere near as strong as Cas or Wakefield and I doubt they'll even come close to being in Super League TBH. The only club that has any hope is Sheffield, and their coach has recently come out and said that the new format is a joke so read into that what you want.

London will be relegated this year, and then will probably fold.

So, (sorry to waste everyones time) but does this mean that the new format is in place this year (not next year) , or is there some other type interim relegation method.

 

[Evil Homer]

So, (sorry to waste everyones time) but does this mean that the new format is in place this year (not next year) , or is there some other type interim relegation method.

They're relegating two teams this year to cut the league to 12 (and relegating 5 Championship teams into Championship 1), and then the 8/8/8 split comes in next year.

 

[miguel de cervantes]

Rugby League new era:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7bRG_Tg9aI

 

[nqcowboy87]

maybe im a product of the todays instant photo generation, so i couldnt be bothered reading through the entire thread, but does that meanin 2016 bradford or london may be back in the superleague