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Perth Red

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Wigan Warriors will take on Hull KR in the Super League Grand Final this Saturday at Old Trafford.

Hull KR had to dig deep at Craven Park as they saw off Warrington Wolves 10-8 in what was firmly a game of two halves. James Batchelor and Joe Burgess got over for the Robins in the first half before a Matty Ashton brace in the second set up a thrilling conclusion to the contest.

Ultimately, Rovers’ goalkicking proved to be the difference with Willie Peters’ side clinging on to book their first ever Grand Final spot. It’s fair to say Wigan made lighter work of Leigh Leopards in their semi-final, though, as they ran out 38-0 victors. Sam Walters and Liam Marshall scored two tries each, while Jai Field and Bevan French also got over in moments of sheer brilliance.
As the build-up to the showpiece event in Manchester begins, we take a look at some of the big talking points at the start of the week.

Wigan selection dilemma

Most of Wigan’s Grand Final line-up picks itself, let’s be honest. Matt Peet’s selection has been consistent for some time with changes being kept to an absolute minimum.

However, following Sam Walters’ showing in the back-row, he might find himself with something of a selection headache. Walters only got the nod on Saturday due to Liam Farrell’s illness, but he certainly took his chance to impress with the former Leeds Rhinos man scoring two tries for the Cherry and Whites.
Of course, it remains to be seen if Farrell will be ready to compete in the Grand Final, but if he is, Peet will be tasked with disappointing one of his top performers one way or the other.

While Peet may be pondering his back-row options, Peters knows he will be bringing Minchella back into contention this weekend. The forward has missed KR’s last two games through suspension after being handed a ban for a late hit on Leigh man Matty Moylan.

His absence has been felt, but he must have been the most relieved man in east Hull when the final whistle was blown, with progression meaning he will get the chance to lead his side to glory. The forward makes such an impact through the middle and his leadership on the field will provide a huge boost.

His availability will likely see Dean Hadley move back into second-row, with Matty Storton dropping down to the bench.
There will be one man Peters is sweating on, though, with Oliver Gildart still struggling with a rib injury. The centre has sat out of KR’s last two games, but he’ll be doing all he can to prove he is ready to take on his former club at Old Trafford.

Even if he is fit, though, the performances of Jack Broadbent may just tempt Peters into giving him the nod, rather than twisting with a potentially undercooked Gildart.
No one can have any complaints about this year’s Grand Final line-up. Wigan and Hull KR have been Super League’s two best teams this season and they will do battle once more on Saturday.

Wigan looked imperious on Saturday as they swept aside Leigh, but they’ll be hard pushed to find such dominance against the Robins, who were on top against Wigan for large spells when the two sides met last month, with controversial sin-binnings potentially making the difference on that occasion.
It promises to be an electric atmosphere, too. Rovers have already sold out their initial allocation with more blocks being released to the club and Wigan won’t have too much trouble selling their tickets either. There’ll be plenty of neutrals who fancy the trip, too, with a huge crowd expected.

Will experience count?

Next Saturday will be Wigan’s 13th Grand Final, with the Cherry and Whites winning six and losing six. Rovers have never been this far into a Super League season, though, and it’s fair to say history is against them as they prepare to make their Grand Final debut.
Old Trafford isn’t always kind to first timers with Catalans Dragons, Salford Red Devils, Castleford Tigers, Warrington Wolves and Hull FC all falling short over the last 18 years. In fact, Bradford Bulls’ win in 2001 was the last time a side won on their Grand Final debut as they beat Wigan 37-6.

Leeds Rhinos were the last new team to their hands on the trophy, with Tony Smith’s side beating Bradford in 2004. Since then the same four teams have won the title, with big stage experience regularly proving pivotal.

History is there to be made for Rovers then, but Wigan have been there and done it all before

 

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Willie Peters’ side have earned their place at Old Trafford by staying true to themselves and serving the local community
To date, it’s still not entirely clear why Coldplay are coming to Craven Park. There was a certain bemusement last month when one of the world’s biggest and most unashamedly commercial bands announced that they were complementing their London residency next summer with two nights at the modest 20,000-capacity Sewell Group Craven Park, home of Hull Kingston Rovers. These, along with six nights at Wembley, are the only European shows Coldplay will play next summer. Even the city council described the news as “absolutely bonkers”.

Why Hull? Well for one thing, this is a city with a rich musical heritage in its own right, from the Housemartins to Everything But The Girl to Mick Ronson. And according to Neil Hudgell in a recent interview with The Times, the message came through that Coldplay wanted to play somewhere “northern and gritty”: authentic, out of the way, a little bit quirky. Hudgell is the owner of Rovers, and the man responsible for securing what we now have to describe as the second-hottest ticket in town.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...rrington-super-league-semi-final-match-report
Because for the moment, there are more pressing matters to attend to. At noon on Saturday, a convoy of coaches will depart Craven Park and begin the long trek to Old Trafford, a journey of 100 miles that will also feel like a step over the frontier of history. Four years after finishing bottom of Super League, almost 40 years after their last major trophy, Hull KR are in the Grand Final for the first time. And the thesis here is that none of this really matters to anyone outside east Hull, which is why – paradoxically – it matters to everybody.

The rise of Hull KR in just a few short years is a triumph with many authors: players such as Mikey Lewis and Elliot Minchella, the workaholic Australia coach Willie Peters, the armies of staff and unpaid volunteers, the chairman and former ballboy Hudgell, who through relegation, promotion and pandemic has invested millions of his own money in a club long assumed to be in a kind of managed decline, a place with a rich past but very little apparent future.

And perhaps you didn’t hear much about this while it was happening. After all rugby league is not a big player in the sporting landscape of this country and Rovers – historically speaking – are not even the biggest club in Hull. But in the city from which the club still derives the vast majority of its fanbase – 60% of its fans live within walking distance of the stadium – the sense of growth has been apparent for a while.

Average attendances, bumbling around the 7,000-8,000 mark for most of the century, have rocketed to over 10,000 this season. Season-ticket sales are at an all-time high. And this is local, organic, word-of-mouth growth: a revolution built from the ground up, from the streets and neglected housing estates that form some of the most deprived wards in the region. Hudgell himself grew up on these streets, failing his A-levels before retraining as a lawyer. And though he has been urged many times to sell up, he understands the importance of sport in providing a sense of belonging, a pillar of community in precarious, atomising times.
In a couple of weeks IMG will issue its first official set of club gradings, upon which next season’s Super League and Championship status will be based. Despite finishing fourth and reaching the Challenge Cup final last season, Hull KR barely made the cut for automatic top-tier status in last year’s provisional assessment. Only 25% of the grade is tied to performance, with the rest defined by metrics such as profit, TV viewing figures, YouTube engagement and whether the stadium has LED advertising boards for television.

Community work, meanwhile, is assigned a meagre 5% weighting, based entirely on the annual turnover of the club foundation, with virtually no judgement or scrutiny of who that money is benefiting. If you spend £1m on a gigantic bowl of Haribo to put by the side of the M62, you get the full mark of 1.0. Meanwhile, if your corporate lounge does not meet the minimum capacity of 200, or the directors’ box is insufficiently perpendicular to the halfway line, you get a 1.0 deduction. Which gives you a pretty decent idea of IMG’s priorities.
Expansion is good. Investment is good. Spreading the gospel is good. But for a sport synonymous with its communities, more important by far is that it stays true to itself, serves the locality it represents, the oldest and most reliable investors of all. And the most sacred function of any sporting club is to nurture those roots, to provide the kind of belonging and value that can never be truly encapsulated in a stock market filing or grading card.

Rugby league is not a rich sport. It is not replete with investment banking sponsors or minor royals or the sort of people who will pay hundreds to see their sport upgraded to a gourmet dining experience. But it’s real. Wigan v Hull KR on Saturday night is not a made-for-TV confection, not a stop on the social scene, not a sportswashing exercise, but a real thing with a real bloodline that matters to actual people.

And I suppose the moral of the Hull KR story is that the local and the global, the ordinary and the extraordinary, need not be polar opposites. That the unglamorous work of building a base is not antithetical to aspiring for more. Victory for them on Saturday would be one of the sporting tales of the year. It would catapult them on to a wider stage, detonate the very logic of the sport itself, perhaps even light a path for the speculators and dreamers of the future. Why Hull? Well, why on earth not?

 

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Hull KR take the big prizes At this years awards.
Mikey Lewis man of steel and Willie Peters coach of the year.

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Pretty sure Old Trafford is locked in until 2027, much to the dismay of several fans over there from what I've seen.
Yes they’ve just signed a new deal keeping it there until 2027. Whilst not the most modern stadium it’s still the largest in the north and well situated for travel and accomodation.
 

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Yes they’ve just signed a new deal keeping it there until 2027. Whilst not the most modern stadium it’s still the largest in the north and well situated for travel and accomodation.
Most of the concerns I've seen from fans are about player injury at OT stemming from the shallow in goals with the drop behind them more so then the facilities.
 

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Most of the concerns I've seen from fans are about player injury at OT stemming from the shallow in goals with the drop behind them more so then the facilities.
whilst its not ideal I do not believe there has ever been an injury caused by it in the dozens of games that have been held there.
 

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Only a few hundred seats left in the gods sections. Looks like we could be heading for a sell out Grandfinal!
 

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That's the quadruple baby! Back to back! Wardle nearly gave me an aneurysm by losing it right in front of the line. But 9-2 was enough. Last 4 games conceded no tries. Only 2 points conceded after 7 halves of no points.
WCC, Challenge Cup, LL Shield and the Championship! First time in a calendar year.
Cherry and White baby.
Bevan French Man of Match - Rob Burrow Award after renaming it from the Harry Sunderland Trophy.
Great touch that I somehow missed the announcement for at the start of the year.
Attendance 68,173
 
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Well done Wigan, amamzing clean sweep. We played bravely but just not quite enough on attack. Was a great battle and very proud of the season we’ve had. Can’t wait for next season, could be an epic season for SL with 6 quality clubs battling for the top.

my head hurts!
 
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Sorry PR, I was going for HKR. I was just too big a weight for them to carry.
Cheers, Proud of our effort, bit of luck and could have been different. Wigan with the experience and one bit of brilliance deserving winners. One of the better gf’s and atmosphere sounded incredible. Biggest crowd in 17 years. Lots to be positive about.

next year We lose some good players in parcells and hall but have some quality coming in. Next season should be a cracker.
 

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Wigan
St Helen’s
Bradford
Leeds

No other club has ever won it have they ?
Not in the Super League era, no.
Warrington, Castleford, Hull FC, Catalans & Salford have all made an appearances though, on top of Hull KR now. So it is surely, only a matter of time before a new name goes on the trophy.
 

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Cheers, Proud of our effort, bit of luck and could have been different. Wigan with the experience and one bit of brilliance deserving winners. One of the better gf’s and atmosphere sounded incredible. Biggest crowd in 17 years. Lots to be positive about.

next year We lose some good players in parcells and hall but have some quality coming in. Next season should be a cracker.
One of my great great grandmothers was born in Sculcoates (?). It looks like it’s HKR territory. Mind you they were in Australia well before the Northern Union started. :D
 

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