Superthread LXIII - Honouring the attractive women that exist in reality

[umina panther]

Despite being illegal I still take whatever ElephantJuice I feel like and have a good time. Having a junkie mother I know what to stay away from and know the damage ElephantJuice can cause weak stupid people

 

[HowHigh]

Legalising some ElephantJuice would lower the price dramatically which would mean the addicts wouldn't have to go out and commit the crimes they do for the money to buy them. Also the purity would be much greater which would be beneficial in terms of people ingesting poison/dangerous things they are cut down with currently.
Not saying I agree with legalising all ElephantJuice but there would be some small benefits. People are going to take ElephantJuice regardless of laws.

 

[Eelementary]

Despite being illegal I still take whatever ElephantJuice I feel like and have a good time. Having a junkie mother I know what to stay away from and know the damage ElephantJuice can cause weak stupid people

Developing a dependency - a chemical dependency - on something doesn't make you weak or stupid, and the converse is true, too.

 

[Apey]

You misunderstand the logic.

Lol it's quite a stretch to call anyone's political opinion/ideology 'logic'. Especially when all you said was "So you're saying we should let meth users keep going?" originally. Who could possibly know what your point was with that remark, it was extremely vague. I got the impression your original comment was arguing from the perspective that laws should save these people from themselves etc but after elaborating it seems this is not the case.

So I'll leave you to face the wrath of JM and his many layers on the rest since it's an entirely different argument of what I (thought I) was responding to.

 

[Eelementary]

Apey, that link to that RTS chess game was unreal.

 

[Drew-Sta]

Legalising some ElephantJuice would lower the price dramatically which would mean the addicts wouldn't have to go out and commit the crimes they do for the money to buy them. Also the purity would be much greater which would be beneficial in terms of people ingesting poison/dangerous things they are cut down with.
Not saying I agree with legalising all ElephantJuice but there would be some small benefits. People are going to take ElephantJuice regardless of laws.

Which ones would you legalise, though?

The only one I can honestly see that has minimal impact on the rest of society is pot. The rest?

It's not just about deperation in purchase. If you take enough cocaine or eccy's, your behaviour on the road in a car is going to change. Do we really want that? No. Same as behaviour at work i.e. I don't want to employ someone who is high half the time. Why would I? It compromises their work.

Developing a dependency - a chemical dependency - on something doesn't make you weak of stupid, and the converse is true, too.

Agree.

 

[umina panther]

MDMA should be legal with Pot

 

[Scott Gourley's Lovechild]

I live north of it, work south of it

:lol: But he works South of it.

Still have to drive through the shit fight that is the north-west.

 

[Eelementary]

Tbh I think alcohol is a far greater problem in Australia than most illicit ElephantJuice.

 

[umina panther]

Anyone who sticks a needle in their arm deserves what will become of their life

 

[Drew-Sta]

Lol it's quite a stretch to call anyone's political opinion/ideology 'logic'. Especially when all you said was "So you're saying we should let meth users keep going?" originally. Who could possibly know what your point was with that remark, it was extremely vague. I got the impression your original comment was arguing from the perspective that laws should save these people from themselves etc but after elaborating it seems this is not the case.

So I'll leave you to face the wrath of JM and his many layers on the rest since it's an entirely different argument of what I (thought I) was responding to.

Sorry, wasn't intending to offend. I meant the logic of my statement. I'm identifying his ideology as easily / simply knocked over by putting it in real terms. Vague, perhaps, but it prompts a yes or no responce; if yes, his ideology looks rediculous as that is the natural conclusion it reaches and if no then it compromises his ideology given he has gone back on one of the key tenets it puts forward.

Agree that the many layers of his political ideology wrath will likely cause me great facepalm :lol: Apologies for being somewhat vague.

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

it's been a while since this gif got a run...

 

[HowHigh]

Which ones would you legalise, though?

The only one I can honestly see that has minimal impact on the rest of society is pot. The rest?

It's not just about deperation in purchase. If you take enough cocaine or eccy's, your behaviour on the road in a car is going to change. Do we really want that? No. Same as behaviour at work i.e. I don't want to employ someone who is high half the time. Why would I? It compromises their work.
.

Legalising doesn't mean it would just become a free for all where the chick serving you at maccas is racking up a line of coke as she takes your order.

It could be regulated to be similar to what alcohol and cigarettes are now, you don't turn up to work drunk, don't light up a smoke in the shopping centre food court etc.

What ElephantJuice to legalise? I'd start with weed, pills. Heroin needs to be treated more as a medical condition, need a doctor's prescription etc.

As I said though, I don't really agree with legalising it all but I wouldn't have be very objected to it if they did.

 

[Apey]

If you take enough cocaine or eccy's, your behaviour on the road in a car is going to change. Do we really want that? No.

If they're ever legalised it's not going to be a free-for-all. They'd face the same restrictions as other legalised ElephantJuice, why wouldn't they?

This is a problem regardless of whether they're legal or not, isn't it?

Same as behaviour at work i.e. I don't want to employ someone who is high half the time. Why would I? It compromises their work.

I feel like you're equating legalising with "it's all okay, ElephantJuice for everyone all the time, have as many as you want!". Legalising isn't suddenly going to make obviously undesirable behaviour (eg. turning up to work under the influence of ElephantJuice) desirable. Would you hire someone who was going to turn up to work drunk half the time?

 

[Drew-Sta]

MDMA should be legal with Pot

A hard one. Not sure I want someone driving a car while under the influence of eccy's. This is where proper, insightful medical studies would benefit legislation rather than just banning them outright.

Tbh I think alcohol is a far greater problem in Australia than most illicit ElephantJuice.

Agree wholeheartedly.

Anyone who sticks a needle in their arm deserves what will become of their life

A kid who without realising injects heroin and puts his life on that path is not someone who warrants that type of attitude. I want less of the below, not more of it.

 

[whall15]

Drug use has gone down fairly dramatically since decriminalisation in Portugal.

 

[Apey]

Sorry, wasn't intending to offend. I meant the logic of my statement. I'm identifying his ideology as easily / simply knocked over by putting it in real terms. Vague, perhaps, but it prompts a yes or no responce; if yes, his ideology looks rediculous as that is the natural conclusion it reaches and if no then it compromises his ideology given he has gone back on one of the key tenets it puts forward.

Agree that the many layers of his political ideology wrath will likely cause me great facepalm :lol: Apologies for being somewhat vague.

You didn't offend at all and don't worry about it. It was just a bit bizarre. It felt like you were arguing with JM through conversation with me :lol:

 

[Rhino_NQ]

argo just started, haven't seen this yet

 

[HowHigh]

argo just started, haven't seen this yet

It's worth a watch

 

[Drew-Sta]

Legalising doesn't mean it would just become a free for all where the chick serving you at maccas is racking up a line of coke as she takes your order.

It could be regulated to be similar to what alcohol and cigarettes are now, you don't turn up to work drunk, don't light up a smoke in the shopping centre food court etc.

What ElephantJuice to legalise? I'd start with weed, pills. Heroin needs to be treated more as a medical condition, need a doctor's prescription etc.

As I said though, I don't really agree with legalising it all but I wouldn't have be very objected to it if they did.

All true, but the point is look at the effects of regulated alcohol consumption on the population. It causes more problems than can be reasonably measured. My issue is legalising (most of the) ElephantJuice you've mentioned is it lets the cat out of the bag in terms of their consequences. We don't truly know the impact of legalisation until its done. I personally am not a fan of finding out, either.

If they're ever legalised it's not going to be a free-for-all. They'd face the same restrictions as other legalised ElephantJuice, why wouldn't they?

This is a problem regardless of whether they're legal or not, isn't it?

As above, we restrict alcohol but it still has an enormous social impact. The problem is a kid turns 18 and can have access to them, where before the means to getting access was often a disincentive to do it.

I feel like you're equating legalising with "it's all okay, ElephantJuice for everyone all the time, have as many as you want!". Legalising isn't suddenly going to make obviously undesirable behaviour (eg. turning up to work under the influence of ElephantJuice) desirable. Would you hire someone who was going to turn up to work drunk half the time?

Not true. Laws reflect societies moral and ethical compass on issues. If we legalised theft, does that make it automatically ok? No, but it does condone (passively) the practice. Same with ElephantJuice; legalisation condones its use and sends a message.

Like it or not, its true. In a way, the issue is a social morlaity one; do we passively condone ElephantJuice as 'good' or 'bad'? All these arguments about the legalisation of it selectively choose not to comment on the ethical implications of the decision because *surprise surprise* they would find very little support if they did.