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Superthread LXVI: Honouring Whinging Dragons Fans

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muzby

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nah..

sacked my gardener a couple of months back..

and didn't bother getting a driver... you don't need one in a BAC mono..
 

Twizzle

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The 6 months before dole has me puzzled...shouldn't it be the other way around? I mean, I've got no problems with paying taxes for somebody who loses their job to get back on their feet. It's the ones who make a lifestyle of it who piss everybody off.

Doesn't this all have to pass through the Senate yet anyway?


Making a lot of noise is part of a decent solution though. If you're pissed off, you don't need to accept it.

yes it does and Palmer has already stated he will block certain points, particularly the $7 doctors visit
 

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Increasing the cost of GP visits and making medicine less affordable is seriously the most idiotic policy anyone can think of.

Complete and total economic madness. If you want to help the budget you don't make it harder for people to have regular checkups. You make it easier. If anything you force people to see a doctor every year. You make the medicine that keeps people out of hospital cheaper, not more expensive.

Nobody that has any understanding of the basic principles of health thinks cuts to primary and preventative healthcare benefits anybody. Patient or taxpayer.

Edit: And education. Cuts to tafe and uni is another counter-productive and economically geniused policy. We need a better skilled and better educated workforce in the 21st century. The government should be making it easier not harder to train and study. The more educated and skilled we are the more productive taxpayers we have.

Some of this governments policies have been just heartless and cruel while at least having some economic benefit (if all you care about is numbers on a page). But what they're doing to health and education is both nasty AND detrimental to the longterm health of the budget.

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Drew-Sta

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Missed some of this.

It's ridiculous. The Federal or State governments have no place funding things like this. What's next? Maths and science being taught at church?!

Seriously though, it's a ridiculous breach of common sense. The churches, mosques, temples etc can pay for it.

Well, its how it has been in the past (i.e. Churchs paying for chaplains, not governments) so I don't know why they started paying for chaplains now. Chaplains aren't just about teaching religion though. They offer pastoral counselling and secular counselling too for kids who don't have a religious faith.

Colossal waste of money.

Not a waste. I agree it is not a priority right now, when the poor are being subjected to worsening conditions, but not a waste.

Especially in light of the cuts to the CSIRO and mental health services for people with severs mental illness total less than that amount! Disgusting.

This I agree. The mental health support in Aus is shithouse.

Abott is a devout catholic

No he's not. He's a devout statesmen first. Don't let him trick you. He claims it because its the demographic he is appealing to.

It's interesting how they can twist things to suit their own agenda, about the only thing the entire book's consistent about is helping the poor.

It's quite convenient that all these Christian politicians are happy to ignore that.

I tend to agree. Christians in politics never represent the bible well.

I'd challenge you on the consistency of the book though ;-)

Abbott and Hockey are politicians, just like all the other imbeciles running the country and who have done so in the past. Ergo, they lie and manipulate to suit themselves and their agendas.

There's no doubt that the budget is very, very tough - but it has been scheduled as such because difficult decisions needed to be made, and they've been made.

Further down the track, if everything goes to plan, we will be better off for it.

It's a shame to me that some ill-informed people (nobody on this forum; I mean people I deal with in reality) are so obsessed with criticising the government and trying to whine that they can't see that a short-term sacrifice is required so our collective future mah be brighter.

My cousin has two young kids, his wife is sick with cancer, and he runs his own business (and effectively on one income, seeing as his wife is too ill to work). He is effectively supplying a living for a family of four off of his own income, which is scarcely more than $50,000 per annum.

And you know what? He hasn't sooked once about this budget. He readily admits it will be tough, but rather than bitching about it, he is thinking about solutions to his dilemmas.

Still living at home mate?

The 6 months before dole has me puzzled...shouldn't it be the other way around? I mean, I've got no problems with paying taxes for somebody who loses their job to get back on their feet. It's the ones who make a lifestyle of it who piss everybody off.

Agree, it seems around the wrong way.

Doesn't this all have to pass through the Senate yet anyway?

I think the Senate needs to pass it yes.


The first budget of a new term is always tough.

John Howard had the good fortune of being in power when the global economy was robust, and we didn't feel the effects of his budget as badly.

Look, there are some big, big question marks over the budget for 2014, but all this anger aimed at the Liberal government should be equally aimed at the Labor party who helped get us in the hole to begin with.

You need to go study some more economics. Our debt is not bad, our economy is strong and the hypocrisy of the government that launches tax cuts after doubling our debt and then blaming the previous government is ludicrous!
 

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Jeez the responses on my Facebook are pretty in line with muzby's post :lol:

Lots of silver spoon babies going "It's only a $7 payment/etc, mother will cover me"
 

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Everything sucks. My brother is on disability for pretty much crippling anxiety and shit, took years to get him on that. Before that he was on youth allowance, despite being over 18. Took a bunch of finagling and bullshit for him to get independance. Basically took telling centrelink that Dad hated him for being gay and mum supported dad more than him. That's what it took to finally get enough money together that he didn't have to live off me and my sister. The shit ton of doctors visits during all that trying to sort his shit out at $7 a pop would have bankrupted him.
 

BunniesMan

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And now everyone under 35 on DSP gets the privilege of being re-examined because everyone is presumed to be a pension cheat.
 

RHCP

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Everything sucks. My brother is on disability for pretty much crippling anxiety and shit, took years to get him on that. Before that he was on youth allowance, despite being over 18. Took a bunch of finagling and bullshit for him to get independance. Basically took telling centrelink that Dad hated him for being gay and mum supported dad more than him. That's what it took to finally get enough money together that he didn't have to live off me and my sister. The shit ton of doctors visits during all that trying to sort his shit out at $7 a pop would have bankrupted him.
That sucks big time. At least Joe saved a lot of money... :roll:
 

afinalsin666

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Yep, fun times. The "support" worker at centrelink tried telling my brother he could work and there was nothing wrong with him, despite psychologist letters and doctors reports and shit. My brother can't go to a shop without having a monster panic attack. Sounds like a great worker to me.
 

muzby

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And now everyone under 35 on DSP gets the privilege of being re-examined because everyone is presumed to be a pension cheat.

did some time earning some extra cash by temping at one of the centrelink investigation offices when i was at uni..

without going into specifics (for privacy purposes) you would be surprised just how many people are cheating the system, and how much money is spent investigating and catching them out.

yes, the re-examination sucks for those who genuinely need the payments, but blame those cheating the system, not the government...
 

muzby

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Was he stealing the turnips again?!

raided my citrus grove of all the lemons and limes..

given the price i was able to sell those to the commoners for (they are rather expensive at the moment) it gave me no option but to terminate him.
 

afinalsin666

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raided my citrus grove of all the lemons and limes..

given the price i was able to sell those to the commoners for (they are rather expensive at the moment) it gave me no option but to terminate him.

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My thinking exactly. If I were back in Australia, I'd be fine. I'd take less sickies (f**k paying $7 for a day off work), but it wouldn't impact me overmuch.

But what kind of country creates a budget that further strains those who can least afford it while lightening the burden for those who are financially well off?

Apparently it's now us and the US.

I don't see why it's a big deal. As far as I know no doctor in Canberra has bulk billed for years. Even at the ACT govt clinic you pay a "co-payment" of $40!!! Personally I pay $80 to see my GP. No one has marched against ACT Labor over it and it certainly doesn't stop the clinics being packed to the gills.

Ultimately I don't agree with parts of the budget and I do with others. Exactly the way I've felt about every budget since I can remember bothering to take notice. I just don't get the Abbott hate. He's a slimy dude, sure. But no more than anyone else and to be honest. It just seems that people have decided anything he does is evil even if Labor did the same thing. Frankly I think it's concerning. No one "Marched in March" when Labor were driving us into debt (and even if the liberals overstate the debt, I defy anyone here to tell me they would be happy with 350 billion odd in debt), no one made a peep when they spent hundreds of billions on aircraft carriers the Navy don't want or signed an agreement to be part of the development program for the joint strike fighter (but Abbot is "evil" for honouring that agreement to fill the now almost serviceable carriers).....etc etc. Politicians suck. But at the moment I think Australia has an attitude problem.
 

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I am genuinely concerned about what I'm going to do in the future

In 5 months work cover cut me off (because of legislation changes in 2012). After that I lose my job as I'm unable to fulfil the duties. I won't qualify for disability pension despite being hospitalised for anxiety a month ago as well as the injury. Now I won't get paid for 6 months? If I had significant savings it might be a different story. But I don't.
 

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Change of pace now:

(this actually works).

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