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Superthread LXVII: Honouring Morgan Freeman on Helium

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afinalsin666

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All the reasons you listed above were issues of attractiveness; improvement on oneself because how you were born wasn't satisfactory to your current perception of beauty.

I'm being serious now. With the exception of changing for the purposes of self beautification, what other reason is there?

Yeah true, but the reasons behind the reason is a bunch different. Sure, some like to look attractive to others. Then others like to look attractive to themselves. It increases confidence, or decreases the disappointment in themselves. My example, i'd get rid of my shitty Voldemort nostrils, because i can't breathe through them half the time, plus i don't like them.

My distant uncle got breast reduction surgery, purely cosmetic. Is that under the same umbrella because he wasn't in any health concerns?
 

Dani

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I wish I could afford boobie reductions. Badly.

Also. As of about 6 hours ago, I'm off the market :)
 

Misanthrope

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I've got to say, Drew, I'm not sure what you're suggesting the alternative for these people dealing with self esteem issues is.

Suck it up and be happy with what you got?

Dangerously close to telling a depressed person to cheer up or a person dealing with anxiety "Just stop thinking about it".
 

Drew-Sta

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Yeah true, but the reasons behind the reason is a bunch different. Sure, some like to look attractive to others. Then others like to look attractive to themselves. It increases confidence, or decreases the disappointment in themselves. My example, i'd get rid of my shitty Voldemort nostrils, because i can't breathe through them half the time, plus i don't like them.

My distant uncle got breast reduction surgery, purely cosmetic. Is that under the same umbrella because he wasn't in any health concerns?

Re the nose- that's a practical issue. Health related. I'd get the same thing done due to my three breaks causing issues with breathing etc.

But, and this is my point, how you look isn't the issue. If you change them for health reasons - then I get it. But the 'benefit' of 'looking better' is merely you agreeing with the societal standard that your nose looks ugly and the change is a benefit to your looks. To me, there's nothing wrong with how your nose looks.

Re your uncle, sounds more like laziness THQH; jump on the treadmill and lose the weight. If he does, and there's excess skin, then fine - otherwise, yes - it sits under the same umbrella of vanity.

Id get the penis reduction done if I had the money

The bruises on the inside of my knees are so unsightly

:lol:

I wish I could afford boobie reductions. Badly.

Also. As of about 6 hours ago, I'm off the market :)

Congrats Dani!!! Super happy for you :D

I've got to say, Drew, I'm not sure what you're suggesting the alternative for these people dealing with self esteem issues is.

Suck it up and be happy with what you got?

Dangerously close to telling a depressed person to cheer up or a person dealing with anxiety "Just stop thinking about it".

I'm not blaming the person who has the issue or telling them to suck it up; I actually understand the situation the person wanting the boob job is in. That bit I get.

My issue is the circumstances that drove that person to that situation where they have self esteem issues. Essentially, it is the external influences on their life that have altered their perception of their body to the point where they're unhappy with the skin they live in.

That's my problem. That society demands women to look a certain way, when in fact, they look totally fine the way they are.

I get the desire for the surgery. I don't get why we force those feelings onto people that leads to those desires.
 

thorson1987

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I've got to say, Drew, I'm not sure what you're suggesting the alternative for these people dealing with self esteem issues is.

Suck it up and be happy with what you got?

Dangerously close to telling a depressed person to cheer up or a person dealing with anxiety "Just stop thinking about it".

This.
 

Dragon2010

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My point is what is wrong with them in the first place?

Mate, it all changes when you get a kid. My child could've had three arms and she'd still be beautiful to me. Why? Because I love her and she's a person who I value for who they are, not their bodily appearance.

If she went out and got chopped and cut to 'improve' herself I'd feel like I'd failed her as a parent in the knowledge that she did not feel adequately appreciated for who she was and instead derived her identity from her looks.

How would you have failed? In the end, you can raise them best as you can, but it's their body and they have to be happy with it.

Am I happy with my body? Now, more so than before, yes, but I'd still improve things if I could. Not that I'm insecure about them at all, it's just, it would help my self esteem and make me be happier with my body in general.

I've got parts of my body I'm very happy with, others not as much - we're all human. No one is made perfect, and each person has their physical flaws, some more so than others. If a person has the choice to fix that. Then why not?


To me? Completely different story. Boob jobs v surgery to fix chest cavity is as different as apples and oranges.

All I'm saying is, both are considered plastic surgery. Under the hosptial classification, mine is considered plastic surgery

What cup size did you get

DD's, bro.

Yeah true, but the reasons behind the reason is a bunch different. Sure, some like to look attractive to others. Then others like to look attractive to themselves. It increases confidence, or decreases the disappointment in themselves. My example, i'd get rid of my shitty Voldemort nostrils, because i can't breathe through them half the time, plus i don't like them.

My distant uncle got breast reduction surgery, purely cosmetic. Is that under the same umbrella because he wasn't in any health concerns?

If people want to look attractive and it makes them feel better, that's no issue.

I can see the negative. It can lead to insecurity and people wanting surgery over everything and anything. But it has a multitude of benefits as well.

Id get the penis reduction done if I had the money

The bruises on the inside of my knees are so unsightly

Well played, JW.

I wish I could afford boobie reductions. Badly.

Also. As of about 6 hours ago, I'm off the market :)

See, this is the point where it works both ways (Sorry to point you out, Dani). But people want all kinds of surgery - not just enchantments. My Aunty got reduction done. She was a big lady.

I've got to say, Drew, I'm not sure what you're suggesting the alternative for these people dealing with self esteem issues is.

Suck it up and be happy with what you got?

Dangerously close to telling a depressed person to cheer up or a person dealing with anxiety "Just stop thinking about it".

Somewhat this.
 

afinalsin666

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Re your uncle, sounds more like laziness THQH; jump on the treadmill and lose the weight. If he does, and there's excess skin, then fine - otherwise, yes - it sits under the same umbrella of vanity.

Breast tissue =/= Fat. Skinny women still have tits Drew. This guy was the same.
 

muzby

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To me, the change is normal and should be embraced, just like I should be embraced when I'm 50-odd and balding :sarcasm:

so on the flipside, baldness for men..

some people don't start balding at 50..

some start early..

my dad started at 18, was skin bald by 19.. and wore a wig for friggin ages to cover it...

i started to lose my hair in my early 20's and it f**ked with my confidence at the start.. i saw it as a sign of weakness..

i'd start noticing how in TV ads if there is a bloke who is in trouble and needs whatever service is on offer, he's generally bald, and gets rescued by someone with a full head of hair (just start to have a look - you'll see..)

there's a massive industry playing on this insecurity, trying to get cash out of young blokes in this predicament.. hell, i went along to visit one of the mobs, and noticed that all the articles in their waiting room were about how blokes with hair are more successful..


anyways, as strange as it sounds the AFL sorted me out.. i was at the AFL grand final a few years back when geelong was playing, and noticed tom harley, gary ablett & paul chapman playing..

three men who went the shave and looked ok..

so the next day decided to sort things out on my own terms and gave my head a shave and haven't bothered growing it back since, and just taken on the angry shaved head man look..

and funnily enough, after i grew a beard i keep getting called 'chappy' by people down here...
 

Misanthrope

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That's my problem. That society demands women to look a certain way, when in fact, they look totally fine the way they are.

This statement irritated me a little (the statement, not you for saying it). It's such a myth that it's only women who feel pressure to look or act a certain way these days.

Wasn't so long ago a guy in the US mowed down a bunch of people because he couldn't 'fit' the mold he'd been raised to believe he should.
 

Drew-Sta

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I promise that's not what I'm suggesting.

How would you have failed? In the end, you can raise them best as you can, but it's their body and they have to be happy with it.

I don't want my kid raised to believe how her body looks determines her holistic attractiveness to men.

I realise what I'm saying is being misunderstood and is somewhat radical.

All I'm saying is, both are considered plastic surgery. Under the hosptial classification, mine is considered plastic surgery

That bit I get.

See, this is the point where it works both ways (Sorry to point you out, Dani). But people want all kinds of surgery - not just enchantments. My Aunty got reduction done. She was a big lady.

As I've said, I get breast reduction. There's a health benefit to not having a f**ked back.

Breast tissue =/= Fat. Skinny women still have tits Drew. This guy was the same.

So... he had massive boobs?

Need more info bro. But I suspect he fits into the 'exceptions' category by what you're describing.

so on the flipside, baldness for men..

some people don't start balding at 50..

some start early..

my dad started at 18, was skin bald by 19.. and wore a wig for friggin ages to cover it...

i started to lose my hair in my early 20's and it f**ked with my confidence at the start.. i saw it as a sign of weakness..

i'd start noticing how in TV ads if there is a bloke who is in trouble and needs whatever service is on offer, he's generally bald, and gets rescued by someone with a full head of hair (just start to have a look - you'll see..)

there's a massive industry playing on this insecurity, trying to get cash out of young blokes in this predicament.. hell, i went along to visit one of the mobs, and noticed that all the articles in their waiting room were about how blokes with hair are more successful..


anyways, as strange as it sounds the AFL sorted me out.. i was at the AFL grand final a few years back when geelong was playing, and noticed tom harley, gary ablett & paul chapman playing..

three men who went the shave and looked ok..

so the next day decided to sort things out on my own terms and gave my head a shave and haven't bothered growing it back since, and just taken on the angry shaved head man look..

and funnily enough, after i grew a beard i keep getting called 'chappy' by people down here...

I'm going bald. Won't be for a while, but the devon patch is spreading, I can sense.

I've started shaving it to see what it is like, but I won't get hair implants. Once its gone, its gone and I'm fine with it.
 

Drew-Sta

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This statement irritated me a little (the statement, not you for saying it). It's such a myth that it's only women who feel pressure to look or act a certain way these days.

Wasn't so long ago a guy in the US mowed down a bunch of people because he couldn't 'fit' the mold he'd been raised to believe he should.

Exactly my point!! Now you see what I'm saying.

I keep referencing women because we started talking about boob jobs, but it is the same for men too.

No difference to my argument there either.
 

Misanthrope

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Exactly my point!! Now you see what I'm saying.

I keep referencing women because we started talking about boob jobs, but it is the same for men too.

No difference to my argument there either.

Thing is, it's never going to change, and it's hopelessly naive to even hope that it will. We've always been a shallow people, it's just that the standard of what is attractive has changed. It will change again in the future.

I've got no people with people doing whatever they can to feel better about themselves. If there was a surgery as simple as a boob job that I could get to feel better about my physical appearance, I'd have done it years ago.
 

Drew-Sta

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I started shaving my head as soon as it became painfully obvious I was going bald. I reckon I look quite a bit better this way anyway.

Honestly? I'm the same with my beard. I can grow one, and it makes me look better.

But if I couldn't grow one, then I wouldn't get surgery to allow for that.

I think my point is there is no need for surgical enhancement; your natural self is good, proper and attractive.
 
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