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Superthread LXXIII: Honouring He Who Shall Not Be Named

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sensesmaybenumbed

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so dickhead here left his phone on top of the car.. well, phone AND wallet..

arrived where i needed to get to (thankfully not far) and realised what i had done.. started kicking myself thinking of all the photos etc of the kids i had on there that i wouldn't see again..

in a panic i flew back & retraced my steps, managed to find them both at the first big corner..

thankfully no-one had rifled through the wallet, all cards and money still there..

but the phone...

so it's fallen off the roof of a 4wd... and i saw it get run over by at least two cars as i was trying to get it (assume there would have been more as it was on a busy road and had been there for at least 5 mins..)


it still works... the screen is f**ked in a major way, but that can be replaced.. but apart from that, no scratches anywhere, and sill works just fine...

motorola brick, eat your heart out.. we have a new champion indestructable phone..

If it was a Nokia the cars would have flat tyres if they were lucky.

Seriously though, load you phone pics onto the home computer and back them up every few weeks. I keep photos saved on 3 separate drives as well as a different location.
 

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/phew

Glad you said that.

I'm almost through the entire bottle. I've found white so much easier to smash than red lately. I think I'm getting soft...
 

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Grand Final tomorrow morning for soccer.

At uni though and feel a little crappy. Achy knees. And I blew out a thong, pretty devo about that
 

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The whole gay marriage debate reminds me of Stan in Life of Brian. Yeah, you feel you should have the right, but thats not how it works. The most offensive part of the whole thing is how much money has been wasted on it. If a dude wants to blow another dude then go for it, but stop wasting my tax money trying to convince me or anyone else that I should give a shit. Spend that money on the NBN so I can stream some hot lesso action in HD. Now thats gay rights we can all get behind.
 

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I don't believe it should be a matter of public opinion as the protection of individual rights should exceed what the majority think.

There's more at stake than individual rights.


Your third point is probably the most troubling aspect of my plan. My preferred outcome would be to completely reform the welfare system and replace it with a guaranteed basic income meaning all individuals would receive a minimum standard of living guaranteed by the government, removing this problem. I do not believe there should be any special tax benefits for couples as per my economies of scale argument above.

You miss the point. Married couples (de facto or otherwise) do not lead an individual life. They view themselves as 'one' so to speak. To treat two peoples 'joined' life on an individual level destroys what marriage is about; which is the joining of two lives for the purpose of being together. Financially, they are intrinsically linked. Dismantling that renders the concept of marriage in the government eyes as blank. It may as well just absolve itself of the responsibility of legislating it in your view.

I'm fine with the tax being done appropriately, but you're heading to a neo-communist view of things. You and JM are literally the extremes of political spectrum.

The counter to your argument is that there should be a stronger emphasis on individual rights and that the state should view individuals in relationships as separate entities. (It would also empower women by providing financial independence reducing the risks of abuse involved in some marriages)

Again, you miss the point. Married couples do not view their financial state as independent of each other. What is the point of marriage if you lead wholly independent and separate lives in everything?

I have some pretty big philosophical differences with your last point. Firstly I do not believe it is the role of the state to differentiate between housemates and couples and to enquire into the love lives of individuals, whether two people are sharing a life together should be irrelevant to the state (though of course not to the people in question). My argument from the civil rights perspective is that people should not be discriminated against from the perspective of sexual orientation, my proposal to deregulate marriage would remove such discrimination and as such it would not undermine that aspect of my argument as the marriage itself is not the issue.

You can't claim that the Government should have no role in determining who married couples are and aren't, and then say it should legally enforce its view of marriage upon people as a civil rights issue. If marriage is so low in the governments view that it should not care who is or is not married, then it should butt out altogether - remove it from law and render its position null on what the definition is.

You can't have your cake and eat it too, mate. Either its a proper civil rights issue, in which case marriage is something different and needs to be protected by the Government, or it isn't a civil rights issue and it steps away to allow people to do what they want, and passes no judgment on what the definition of it is.
 

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I think overall I tend further towards your view of marriage, Drew, but to counterpoint - marriage isn't necessarily, in this day and age, a complete commingling of affairs. Rather it is a commitment to spend the rest of your life with your partner. I see it as an expression of love rather than something which necessarily carries administrative consequences. I don't think treating finances etc separately diminishes the meaning of marriage at all, and it's a big statement to suggest all couples consider themselves a singe entity in all aspects.
 

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I think overall I tend further towards your view of marriage, Drew, but to counterpoint - marriage isn't necessarily, in this day and age, a complete commingling of affairs. Rather it is a commitment to spend the rest of your life with your partner. I see it as an expression of love rather than something which necessarily carries administrative consequences. I don't think treating finances etc separately diminishes the meaning of marriage at all, and it's a big statement to suggest all couples consider themselves a singe entity in all aspects.

Oh, I agree. I just think whall's suggestion that we treat people as individuals despite their marital status is incorrect, give I think there is enough intermingling of affairs that it makes such a proposal wrong.

We're still individuals; we're just also married individuals and that meas something. I want to protect that. Not undermine it.
 

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it managed to put me to sleep on the plan over to europe. Something i struggle very hard to do so i have a soft spot for that movie

When I posted that, I'd just seen the scene where he...you know...butchers her...

It was pretty dull, actually.
 

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The whole gay marriage debate reminds me of Stan in Life of Brian. Yeah, you feel you should have the right, but thats not how it works. The most offensive part of the whole thing is how much money has been wasted on it. If a dude wants to blow another dude then go for it, but stop wasting my tax money trying to convince me or anyone else that I should give a shit. Spend that money on the NBN so I can stream some hot lesso action in HD. Now thats gay rights we can all get behind.

Tbh if Ireland is ahead of you on the political landscape, you've got hugr issues.
 
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