Superthread LXXIV: Remembering Dead Musicians Who You Now Pretend to Like

[Rhino_NQ]

Good morning to you sir, and how is the land of the long white cloud this morning.

House is coming along nicely. 9 minutes from work but feel like I'm in the middle of nowhere. Have planted a veggie garden and have 7 sheep living behind us

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

Stuck in smelly Canberra until Thursday.

To bent spoke brewery.

 

[Scott Gourley's Lovechild]

What a shit day. Only got 6 calls in for work while I am on super-probation, found out my Dad got laid off, and am now paying $9.50 for Birra Moretti. Only plus is I had an interview with Tyrrells which went well.

 

[Twizzle]

so...................................Abbott and Credlin ?

that mental image will scar me for life

 

[McLovin]

Looks like the M4 will join the long list of Sydney toll roads...yay

 

[Red Bear]

To bent spoke brewery.

I was round the corner from there for three weeks when I first moved down and never went:crazy:

Hamlet nearby is good for a feed.

Hot as hell, just like every other day in Canberra. Good run this arvo at least

 

[Bazal]

Bent Spoke is wicked. Noodle Night markets tonight, highly recommend....

 

[Drew-Sta]

This Trump-Hitler hype is funny. Trump is a lunatic, but he has appealed to middle class America and outside his racist and insular "foreign policy" and immigration ideas is actually the more "Liberal" of the two major conservatives. He actually supports an overhaul of healthcare, more stringent background checks for gun ownership, and surprisingly is not a warmonger...despite obviously jingoistic immigration and foreign policy ideas he opposes the involvement of US troops in several major conflicts. He's as pro-LGBT as a Republican candidate could possibly be, being essentially neutral on the subject

Ted Cruz is everything Trump is accused of being, with the added bonus of being a die-hard Christian nut case. He doesn't believe rape is a thing and would ban abortions even for rape victims, is a vocal supporter of the Patriot Act and doesn't believe in public freedom, he opposes LGBT pride marches (let alone marriage ffs), he would absolutely destroy the US health care system, he's every bit as hardline as Trump on immigration (despite being a f**king Canuck) and basically supports invading the entirety of earth.

Hopefully neither get elected, but honestly, Trump isn't half as bad as people make him out to be. He's just a racist who makes inflammatory comments.

The problem is he is clearly saying and doing anything to get in. Trump is a lunatic, as you have said, and that is the issue. Electing a lunatic leads to lunacy.

Cruz is a fascist regressive, Hilary is a ridiculous cliche and Sanders has no hope.

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Dugan playing shit and being embarrassed by Marika.

 

[Bazal]

The problem is he is clearly saying and doing anything to get in. Trump is a lunatic, as you have said, and that is the issue. Electing a lunatic leads to lunacy.

Cruz is a fascist regressive, Hilary is a ridiculous cliche and Sanders has no hope.

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Dugan playing shit and being embarrassed by Marika.

He's a lunatic, but he's a far less harmful lunatic than Hitler ever was. Cruz is more of a lunatic than Trump. Like I said, they all pretty much suck, but Trump/Hitler comparisons show how little people actually know about Hitler....Trump is more like Berlusconi, a nutcase who just wants the office.

 

[Drew-Sta]

Saints right side defence is terrible. We've really lost our direction too.

 

[Red Bear]

Bent Spoke is wicked. Noodle Night markets tonight, highly recommend....

Yeah some friends went over the weekend. Friday night I was feeling rubbish though and saturday by the time I finished what I needed to it was late. I heard Saturday was way too packed though.

 

[Drew-Sta]

He's a lunatic, but he's a far less harmful lunatic than Hitler ever was. Cruz is more of a lunatic than Trump. Like I said, they all pretty much suck, but Trump/Hitler comparisons show how little people actually know about Hitler....Trump is more like Berlusconi, a nutcase who just wants the office.

There's distinct similarities in their rhetoric, Baz. I'm not saying they're the same, and I'm not suggesting Trump is a mass murderer in waiting, but they talk in very similar terms...

?When Mexico sends its people, they?re not sending the best. They?re not sending you, they?re sending people that have lots of problems and they?re bringing those problems with us. They?re bringing drugs. They?re bring crime. They?re rapists? And some, I assume, are good people.?

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"And the fulfillment of this first demand will then open up the way for all the other reforms. And here is one thing that perhaps distinguishes us from you [Austrians] as far as our programme is concerned, although it is very much in the spirit of things: our attitude to the Jewish problem.

For us, this is not a problem you can turn a blind eye to-one to be solved by small concessions. For us, it is a problem of whether our nation can ever recover its health, whether the Jewish spirit can ever really be eradicated. Don't be misled into thinking you can fight a disease without killing the carrier, without destroying the bacillus. Don't think you can fight racial tuberculosis without taking care to rid the nation of the carrier of that racial tuberculosis. This Jewish contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, the Jew, has been banished from our midst."

Its familiar enough that it is scary and should be talked about far more than it is.

 

[Twizzle]

Trump is such a sexist racist bigot, yet they love him, says a lot about the yanks tbh

dangerous man if he gets in and has all that power

 

[Bazal]

There's distinct similarities in their rhetoric, Baz. I'm not saying they're the same, and I'm not suggesting Trump is a mass murderer in waiting, but they talk in very similar terms...


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Its familiar enough that it is scary and should be talked about far more than it is.

No. One is a redneck saying "Mexicans can git out!". The other is talking total eradication. Trump is (wrongly) associating Mexicans with crime, and inferring that the "illegal" immigrants are criminals and lowlifes

Hitler is calling the Jews a disease, a virus that needs to be "killed" and "eradicated", he is calling them a contamination and a poison that must be cleansed.

Trump is talking deportation, Hitler is talking genocide. It belittles the absolute and total evils that Hitler committed to bring him up to the level of ignorance that Trump is pushing.

 

[Drew-Sta]

No. One is a redneck saying "Mexicans can git out!". The other is talking total eradication. Trump is (wrongly) associating Mexicans with crime, and inferring that the "illegal" immigrants are criminals and lowlifes

Hitler is calling the Jews a disease, a virus that needs to be "killed" and "eradicated", he is calling them a contamination and a poison that must be cleansed.

Trump is talking deportation, Hitler is talking genocide. It belittles the absolute and total evils that Hitler committed to bring him up to the level of ignorance that Trump is pushing.

But this is how it starts, mate. It starts as a 'redneck' sentiment, then the masses grab that and begin violence, while the 'leader' sees that he has to keep momentum. To stop the violence would alienate the base and so he fuels it.

I'm in no way belittling what Hitler did. But Hitler did not start out as a mass murderer committing evils. He started as a man with ideals and ideas that people went with him on. He did good things like rebuilt the economy and restored national pride and built culture.

But while this goes on, the 'redneck' sentiment builds and hits a point where it does turn to eradication.

I'm not saying Trump will get there. But the echoes are sounding and we'd be foolish to deny their presence.

 

[Bazal]

Hitler started out as a genocidal maniac. He was a sociopathic, anti-semitic loner who was traumatised by WW1, living in a broken nation and was smart enough to see that the German people would rally behind a man who promised to right that wrong. Trump is an egotistical mouthpiece who is trying to win the votes of a naturally ignorant and insular nation that has all the power it needs. They are totally different, I'm sorry.

Trump is a bigot, but he is not genocidal or totalitarian, nor are the American people.

 

[Drew-Sta]

Look, Baz, its not worth an argument. I'm not saying its a one to one pairing. I'm saying there's scary echoes we should be cautious of.

 

[Bazal]

I just think it's a ridiculous comparison. That's all. The man is a tosser, but it's unfair to him and honestly cheapens millions of victims to compare him to Hitler. There are hundreds of prominent people you could see a little Hitler in if you looked hard enough.

 

[whall15]

I'm generally with Baz on this one. With Trump there's a distinct possibility that he's just an egotist who is using dogwhistles to get to power and isn't genuine about it. Think of him as a Republican Hillary, Hillary pretends to believe in vaguely left-of-centre ideas to appeal to her base and Trump pretends to believe in far-right things to appeal to his base because the Republicans are a far-right party. And as Baz said Ted Cruz believes in the exact same thing.

Cruz, unlike Trump has been brainwashed since he was a small child by his nutjob father to think that God made him to be the king of the United States whose role is to redistribute all wealth from the nonbelievers and give to the righteous. I've seen Trump compared to Berlusconi and Cruz to Idi Amin, I think its a fairly valid comparison. So to be honest I'd take my chance with Trump over Cruz, though they are both diabolical options.

I disagree with Drew on Sanders' chances. He's done quite well so far and he's certainly still well in it. If he goes and wins Michigan tomorrow, there's a very realistic path to victory for him because after tomorrow Hillary's strongest states in the deep south will be over and it will become a much more competitive race, provided that he can do well tomorrow and on March 15.

For instance, if he does well tomorrow by winning Michigan and on March 15 goes on and wins Illinois, Missouri and Ohio (which I think is a distinct possibility) the upcoming states are very favourable for Sanders. I would go as far as to say of the remaining 28 states after March 15, if Sanders is still a viable candidate by doing what I mentioned he'd be the favourite in ~18 and the only states (well in this case territories) without a foreseeable chance of winning would be DC, Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands and Guam. He's still very much in this.

 

[Skinner]

What a shit day. Only got 6 calls in for work while I am on super-probation, found out my Dad got laid off, and am now paying $9.50 for Birra Moretti. Only plus is I had an interview with Tyrrells which went well.

I'm getting the impression that the piss industry is more incestuous than FMCG.