Sydney Sharks

[T-Boon]

“The Roosters are great to watch”
you have got to be kidding?

They are no worse than the other 15 - but they are god aweful relative to how the game was 25 years ago.

Watch some fox classics from the 80s and try going back.

This code of ours is totally living off and cooking the golden egg which are the fans aged 40 plus who fell in love with the game in that era.

 

[flippikat]

Australia does not have time zones so far apart that it sees games played in prime time in one time zone being broadcast in the wee hours of the morning in the other, like the difference between South Africa and Australia, or though not quite as bad, but still bad, Argentina and Australia.

You know who does have that problem, Super Rugby...

But again comparing SR and the NRL in this regard is comparing apples and oranges.

The unweildy state of Super Rugby is not just Australia's problem. New Zealand relies on the TV money that Super Rugby pulls in.. especially the South African timeslots - because that's TV money from Europe.

Rugby Union has a fantastic global reach, but World Rugby remain unable to capitalise on it, because their competitions span so many timezones & northern and southern hemisphere seasons don't "fit" together very well.

Ideally, they'd have two top-tier competitions, run in the same months (between February and July) along time-zones.. Australia/NZ/Asia/Pacific Islands in one competition (Pacific Championship) & Europe/South Africa in the other (Atlantic championship)-

Then west coast America teams joining the Pacific Championship & east coast America teams joining the Atlantic Championship... then tests after that. But self-interest (especially with the 'Home Nations') means it'll never happen. Lucky for League, because if Union got it together we'd be in serious trouble.

 

[The Great Dane]

If what you say is right, and I do agree with much of it , Wouldn't we, currently, be better of making as much money as possible? pumping that money into the existing grassroots and shoring up what we already have? not investing hundreds of millions in new sides that are not going to see any return on for over 10 years !

The only way to make as much money as possible is to seek national coverage as soon as it's feasible, and there's no way for the grassroots outside of NSW and QLD to grow beyond their current standing without a path to professionalism. In other words if we don't expand we're stuck.

The NRL is already committed to spend a hundred million on each club over ten years through grants, so getting upset at the prospect of the NRL propping up expansion clubs to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars seems pretty stupid to me when they are already doing it for the rest of the competition. At least if they were spending it on expansion clubs the money would be being spent for a purpose other than just to prop up clubs that can't support themselves...

Also considering that NRL clubs are significantly cheaper to run than AFL clubs, if the NRL can get a deal similar to what the AFL got for their last round of expansion, then expansion shouldn't hit the NRL's coffers to much at all and could even be profitable.

The NRL has another advantage that the AFL didn't have when they last expanded: Demand for teams. There're are people all over the country that want to pay the NRL for the right to bankroll a team, as long as the NRL does their due diligence they should be able to find at least a few that would be able to basically self fund themselves (minus the cost of their annual grants of course).

So basically, assuming they don't f**k it up, expansion shouldn't have a huge impact on the NRL's funds.

Finally, we already have/had the resources to start fighting back in the grassroots of NSW and QLD, but we took that money and now we're using it to fund the NRL's clubs ridiculous $13 mil annual grants that the NRL can't afford.

 

[The Great Dane]

The unweildy state of Super Rugby is not just Australia's problem. New Zealand relies on the TV money that Super Rugby pulls in.. especially the South African timeslots - because that's TV money from Europe.

Rugby Union has a fantastic global reach, but World Rugby remain unable to capitalise on it, because their competitions span so many timezones & northern and southern hemisphere seasons don't "fit" together very well.

Ideally, they'd have two top-tier competitions, run in the same months (between February and July) along time-zones.. Australia/NZ/Asia/Pacific Islands in one competition (Pacific Championship) & Europe/South Africa in the other (Atlantic championship)-

Then west coast America teams joining the Pacific Championship & east coast America teams joining the Atlantic Championship... then tests after that. But self-interest (especially with the 'Home Nations') means it'll never happen. Lucky for League, because if Union got it together we'd be in serious trouble.

I honestly don't have much of an opinion on what's best for RU globally.

I do however know that the only way that the ARU has any chance of saving RU in Australia is to part ways with SANZAAR (seriously tell them to go f**k themselves and do it publicly), and start fresh like the FFA did.

If they can convince the Kiwis to come with them (which is extremely unlikely I admit) then great, if not they just have to leave, get in bead with Twiggy and the Force, add another club with backing from some of their rich mates to make it a six club national comp with the backing of both the ARU and Twiggy. Take that to the broadcasters and get the best deal that they can with as much of it on FTA as possible, then start the process of rebuilding.

The other thing they need to do is tell "World Rugby" to get f**ked as well and start taking some initiative to change the game to make it more competitive in the Australian market. Start making changes to the rules to make the product on the pitch more entertaining, take a broom through the rules and get rid of all the arcane and contradictory rules that slow the game down and confuse and frustrate everybody, change the points value of tries and kicks to make scoring tries more valuable, etc, etc, and if World Rugby don't like them doing their own thing then that is World Rugby's problem.

That's enough talk of RU for now though.

 

[tri_colours]

The only way to make as much money as possible is to seek national coverage as soon as it's feasible, and there's no way for the grassroots outside of NSW and QLD to grow beyond their current standing without a path to professionalism. In other words if we don't expand we're stuck.

The NRL is already committed to spend a hundred million on each club over ten years through grants, so getting upset at the prospect of the NRL propping up expansion clubs to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars seems pretty stupid to me when they are already doing it for the rest of the competition. At least if they were spending it on expansion clubs the money would be being spent for a purpose other than just to prop up clubs that can't support themselves...

Also considering that NRL clubs are significantly cheaper to run than AFL clubs, if the NRL can get a deal similar to what the AFL got for their last round of expansion, then expansion shouldn't hit the NRL's coffers to much at all and could even be profitable.



The NRL has another advantage that the AFL didn't have when they last expanded: Demand for teams. There're are people all over the country that want to pay the NRL for the right to bankroll a team, as long as the NRL does their due diligence they should be able to find at least a few that would be able to basically self fund themselves (minus the cost of their annual grants of course).

So basically, assuming they don't f**k it up,

Finally, we already have/had the resources to start fighting back in the grassroots of NSW and QLD, but we took that money and now we're using it to fund the NRL's clubs ridiculous $13 mil annual grants that the NRL can't afford.

Sorry, but this conversation is going round and around . Were currently signed a $2b contract and are on the verge of matching that .NB. The networks are not intersed in us adding any southern or Western states. Claims that the AFL get more money because of the Suns/ GWS expansion are ridiculous. Our contract % went up a lot more than theres did without expansion. The reason they get more is because there are far more advertising opportunities in there game.

No, we don't have the resources - the money like the AFL have, And that because of your mates at News Ltd who bled our game dry for 15 years.

 

[T-Boon]

Finally, we already have/had the resources to start fighting back in the grassroots of NSW and QLD, but we took that money and now we're using it to fund the NRL's clubs ridiculous $13 mil annual grants that the NRL can't afford.

Yep and the clubs people (wrestle coaches etc) just give themselves pay increases. The tv boom has pretty much been wasted. Bring in a very low football expenditure cap. Get rid of coaches. Give the players a slight pay increase.

 

[Perth Red]

Sorry, but this conversation is going round and around . Were currently signed a $2b contract and are on the verge of matching that .NB. The networks are not intersed in us adding any southern or Western states. Claims that the AFL get more money because of the Suns/ GWS expansion are ridiculous. Our contract % went up a lot more than theres did without expansion. The reason they get more is because there are far more advertising opportunities in there game.

No, we don't have the resources - the money like the AFL have, And that because of your mates at News Ltd who bled our game dry for 15 years.

the gap in the media revenue between nrl and afl has grown significantly in year 1 between 2013 and 2018 from $30mill to $40mill, an increase of about $10mill. we have not caught up to afl we have dropped further behind in this deal.

We won’t match them without more content, ever. You also miss the point that they decided expansion was critical for their vision years ago and set up their grants program to achieve it. Of course you can have a variable grants scheme when A) you’re running the game not the clubs and B) most of your clubs are not broke arse and pss poor at their business.

 

[tri_colours]

the gap in the media revenue between nrl and afl has grown significantly in year 1 between 2013 and 2018 from $30mill to $40mill, an increase of about $10mill. we have not caught up to afl we have dropped further behind in this deal.

We won’t match them without more content, ever. You also miss the point that they decided expansion was critical for their vision years ago and set up their grants program to achieve it. Of course you can have a variable grants scheme when A) you’re running the game not the clubs and B) most of your clubs are not broke arse and pss poor at their business.

Our increase was something like 70% . There's was by a lot less . That's simply a fact PR , no matter how you want to twist and turn it.

 

[Perth Red]

Our increase was something like 70% . There's was by a lot less . That's simply a fact PR , no matter how you want to twist and turn it.

facts are facts, looking at the actual cash media and digital revenue for 2018 of both codes we are further behind than we were in 2013 by $10mill. The gap in 2013 was $30mill last year it was $40mill. Ergo we are further behind.
Afl $391.5mill ($234.5mill)
Nrl $351mill ($204mill)

 

[T-Boon]

Sydney Sharks should shift some games to city. I think play a maximum 3 games at shark park. So 9 at the new SFS.

Relocate 1 Sydney team to Christchurch, 1 to Wellington and 1 to Perth.

Brisbane needs 3 teams so the 2 new teams can be in Brisbane. Making 18 teams.

 

[tri_colours]

They may

facts are facts, looking at the actual cash media and digital revenue for 2018 of both codes we are further behind than we were in 2013 by $10mill. The gap in 2013 was $30mill last year it was $40mill. Ergo we are further behind.
Afl $391.5mill ($234.5mill)
Nrl $351mill ($204mill)

That may well be the case. But they are paid more money because there game goes for 150min ours less than 100m , Meaning far more advertising opportunities.

When the commission took office annual revenue was less than 150m, 130m, if I remember correctly. 12 months ago our revenue was 500m.

 

[T-Boon]

They may



That may well be the case. But they are paid more money because there game goes for 150min ours less than 100m , Meaning far more advertising opportunities.

That is also one of the reasons they get bigger crowds. I have been saying for a long time that we need to get the game time up but at least 20 minutes.

 

[tri_colours]

That is also one of the reasons they get bigger crowds. I have been saying for a long time that we need to get the game time up but at least 20 minutes.

That doesn't sound like a bad idea. What about 4 25min quarters?

 

[T-Boon]

That doesn't sound like a bad idea. What about 4 25min quarters?

I would be fine with that.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I love it how this thread somehow grew legs... even if it has nothing to do with the Sydney Sharks.

 

[Perth Red]

They may



That may well be the case. But they are paid more money because there game goes for 150min ours less than 100m , Meaning far more advertising opportunities.

When the commission took office annual revenue was less than 150m, 130m, if I remember correctly. 12 months ago our revenue was 500m.

They don’t have SOO, test matches and international tv revenue. What they do have is an extra game a week and a stronger capital city footprint. The revenue gap isn’t closing it’s getting wider at a media revenue and overall revenue. Time for some growth and revolution if we don’t want to be forever the second rate footy code,

 

[mongoose]

I love it how this thread somehow grew legs... even if it has nothing to do with the Sydney Sharks.

well it's one of the most geniused ideas put forward... why the hell would people in the eastern suburbs follow the sharks? why replace a successful club like the roosters with a black sheep like the sharks?
why leave a league mad region like sutherland/cronulla for an area that doesn't even care about sport let alone league? I mean the roosters are the only league club anyone in east sydney are going to feign support for.

 

[flippikat]

Sydney Sharks should shift some games to city. I think play a maximum 3 games at shark park. So 9 at the new SFS.

Relocate 1 Sydney team to Christchurch, 1 to Wellington and 1 to Perth.

Brisbane needs 3 teams so the 2 new teams can be in Brisbane. Making 18 teams.

I could get behind this.

As a Warriors fan living in Wellington, it would feel a bit weird getting a relocated team, but if any current Sydney club completely relocates here, they'll have my support.

 

[The Great Dane]

I could get behind this.

As a Warriors fan living in Wellington, it would feel a bit weird getting a relocated team, but if any current Sydney club completely relocates here, they'll have my support.

The way things are going in Canberra with the new stadium it's starting to look like it may be possible that the Raiders (and Brumbies) might be left with nowhere suitable to play, and may be left with no choice but to relocate (or slowly die) soon enough.

It's definitely still an outside chance, but if you are lucky (and I'm very unlucky) maybe, just maybe the Raiders will be looking for a new home soon enough. There's a certain symmetry in relocating from one capital city to another that I like as well.

 

[flippikat]

The way things are going in Canberra with the new stadium it's starting to look like it may be possible that the Raiders (and Brumbies) might be left with nowhere suitable to play, and may be left with no choice but to relocate (or slowly die) soon enough.

It's definitely still an outside chance, but if you are lucky (and I'm very unlucky) maybe, just maybe the Raiders will be looking for a new home soon enough. There's a certain symmetry in relocating from one capital city to another that I like as well.

Weeeeell.. green is my favourite colour, so it has THAT going for it, hehehe...