Tahu for the kiwis!!!!

[Meth]

Awesome comeback Meth :sarcasm:

You truely are gold. A person who wants Ropati in our starting line up week in week out and then says NO to Tahu, not even giving him a chance in our extended squad.

There's only one genius here......and its YOU

Why don't you wheel your way out of here? We already have Dirty Hoe- we've reached our moron quota

 

[Meth]

f**k off... there's no contradiction at all... the Maori representative concept is about whakawhanaungatanga and whakapapa rather than what country you live in.

as long as you identify as Maori and have the whakapapa to back it up and your proud to represent you whanau, hapu and iwi then you should be eligible for the Maori.

excluding people because of the country you live in is a pakeha thing... i have cousins who are born and bred in australia and have never been to NZ before... yet they consider themselves both australian and maori.

there it is!!

 

[shiznit]

Aussie Maori ? or Maori Aussie ?

Dont think you can have the cake and eat it too..

i think the problem for most people is they need to get there head around how Maoridom works.

we dont look at where your born... we look at where you ancestors are from... ie your whakapapa(genealogy).

for example... my daughter has been born and bred in Hamilton so most people would consider her being from Waikato... but in a Maori sense shes from Ngapuhi(the far north) despite never having lived there... because thats where i claim because thats where my Whakapapa comes from(but funny enough i was born in Wellington).

the same works for Maori in another country... while they may be australian... they can still identify themselves as Maori because they have the Whakapapa.

 

[Martli]

No one is disputing his Maori heritage, nor Tahu's eligibility for the Kiwis (Australian representative career aside). All i'm saying is that, like NSW and QLD are Australian representative teams, the NZ Maori is a NZ representative team. If it were simply a team for people of Maori heritage then I sure, but it's not, as a team there's the expectation that you play on the condition that you're eligible for the Kiwis: it's a NZ rep team. It's got nothing to do with different Maori and European views of nation-states and heritage, and everything to do with who funds the team and how the team is set up within the greater sphere of the NZRL.

 

[Revelation 3:20]

Aussie Maori ? or Maori Aussie ?

Dont think you can have the cake and eat it too..

that's what cake is for.
You can be Aussie Maori.
The same way you can be American Jew.

 

[Meth]

No one is disputing his Maori heritage, nor Tahu's eligibility for the Kiwis (Australian representative career aside). All i'm saying is that, like NSW and QLD are Australian representative teams, the NZ Maori is a NZ representative team. If it were simply a team for people of Maori heritage then I sure, but it's not, as a team there's the expectation that you play on the condition that you're eligible for the Kiwis: it's a NZ rep team. It's got nothing to do with different Maori and European views of nation-states and heritage, and everything to do with who funds the team and how the team is set up within the greater sphere of the NZRL.

That's the grey area for mine.

 

[Martli]

Yep, and my view is that the NZ Maori is a NZ rep team for Maori, not a universal rep team for all Maori. Just like NSW is an Australian rep team for New South Welshmen and Queensland is an Australian rep team for Queenslanders. There are heaps of Kiwi New South Welshmen and Queenslanders who don't qualify because their allegiance is to the Kiwis and NZRL. If the NZRL funds the NZ Maori team why should those who wish to represent Australia at the international level be included? They're two mutually exclusive rep team families and you can only be a part of one.

 

[Meth]

Yep, and my view is that the NZ Maori is a NZ rep team for Maori, not a universal rep team for all Maori. Just like NSW is an Australian rep team for New South Welshmen and Queensland is an Australian rep team for Queenslanders. There are heaps of Kiwi New South Welshmen and Queenslanders who don't qualify because their allegiance is to the Kiwis and NZRL. If the NZRL funds the NZ Maori team why should those who wish to represent Australia at the international level be included? They're two mutually exclusive rep team families and you can only be a part of one.

Fair enough- I guess it's up to the governing body of the Maori team to define; and at the moment, my impression is that your view is supported by their definition. A selection like Tahu, if it were on the table, would test that definition and it would be interesting to see which way it would go

 

[Drzoidberg]

Didnt Bronx Goodwin play for the NZ Maori?

 

[Dirty Hoe]

yep...played in the curtain raiser to first game in the world cup

 

[Dirty Hoe]

old dog mark horo coaches nsw maori...he was telling me theres a tournament in sydney. east v south v west v north maori...been going a couple of years

 

[Skinner]

old dog mark horo coaches nsw maori...he was telling me theres a tournament in sydney. east v south v west v north maori...been going a couple of years

Yep, that's usually a good tournament.

 

[ozbash]

Ngati NRL on Maori tv cover that comp. Great to watch.

 

[ANTiLAG]

I always thought NZ maori was to signify a difference between NZ maori and cook island maori.

How is Tongan Ben Afaeki in the NZ maori rugby team?

 

[mean]

How is Tongan Ben Afaeki in the NZ maori rugby team?

'Cos he used to live in Tonar St, Northcote;-)

 

[Skinner]

'Cos he used to live in Tonar St, Northcote;-)

Poor bugger :crazy:

 

[JoeD]

it was only later in his life did he learn about his maori side

how does a guy called Timana Tahu only realise he's maori until 'later in his life'

 

[Rich102]

how does a guy called Timana Tahu only realise he's maori until 'later in his life'

:lol:

 

[Revelation 3:20]

I always thought NZ maori was to signify a difference between NZ maori and cook island maori.

How is Tongan Ben Afaeki in the NZ maori rugby team?

He is also Maori.
Detective

 

[Dirty Hoe]

its a shame the maori dont get to play against test playing nations...look at last night in the union. mix it up abit